Misc. Digimon Revisions

[Kaltias]

1) I'm not sure about that, mostly because what the "new" acausality was supposed to be is "completely transcend causality". But applied to everything. Like, cause=punch, but the effect "damage" doesn't apply.

2) and 3) are fine

4)Isn't that information manipulation?

5) Can't help with that

7) Haven't played Cyber Sleuth yet

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

1) But aren't characters like Lavos acausual for that? Like he is still hurt by other characters. Only reasoning I know is him being able to come back from other timelines if he dies. (Waiting for Cal to appear.)

4) I don't know. Information Manipulation is a very weird power.

7) I think you mean 8

 

[Reppuzan]

@Dragon

On second thought, Kaltias has a point about Yggdrasil. It would be Information Manipulation due to manipulating the characteristics of his foes. That said, it would still fall under Power Nullification.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Okay then, Information Manipulation it is. it is.

 

[Kaltias]

1) I dunno honestly. I know that, for example, PMMM god tiers are 3D acausal because due to temporal omnipresence, the "linear cause and effect doesn't apply" works.

4)Pretty sure that information manipulation allows someone to "hack" other beings. It seems fitting imo.

78)...

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So would Moon and Zeed's stuff just be glorified resurrection?

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Kal

The hell is "3D acausality"?

 

[Kaltias]

As I said, I don't really know. The question is more "how do we treat acausality".

@Ever

As far as I understand it, transcending causality the way 3D beings (aka us) perceive it

 

[Reppuzan]

@Kaltias

As far as I can tell, the only ones I know that are completely above causality as a whole are 1-As. While lower-dimensional beings can be exempt from it.

Zeed also has the benefit of being born before his components were made, meaning that there's a breach in causality there and he literally should not be able to exist under the standard laws of cause and effect.

 

[Kaltias]

@Rep

I was talking about causality based on dimensional perspective. For example, there is absolutely nothing that makes sense from a causal 3D standpoint in an Immeasurable attack, but there is from a 4D one

That's just a time paradox though, isn't it?

 

[The_Everlasting]

"As far as I understand it, transcending causality the way 3D beings (aka us) perceive it"

But causality is a 4-D thing, since it's related to cause and effect dictated by time.

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah, but we experience time divided into infinitesimally small instants. A 4D being doesn't. It's basically that "more temporal dimensions" thing that was discussed about the Immeasurable speed, just applied to causality

 

[The_Everlasting]

I highly doubt you'll find many (If any) series that use anything equivalent to "4-D acausality" or above.

 

[Kaltias]

I know, but that's what was decided here.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/770863?useskin=oasis

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

And thus, what does this mean for Zeed?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm gonna side with the majority, but I'm still not sold on the SGDL regen negation, as flowery language + no words that are synonymous with Regenerationn = confused Cal. Obviously, negates reincarnation and resurrection (screw over Phoenix Down users), but not sure it could do the no no to regen, as the Dark Area and stuff related to that is Digimon exclusive.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I mean as Executor explained. Their deal is denying a return from non-existence . That really has noting to do with the Dark Area.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Problem is, in those cases, they have to die first (correct me if I'm wrong). Regen means not dying in the first place.

Though, if there's a counter to this argument, I have no qualms with it whatsoever.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Not necessarily. Your existence just needs to be erased. That is enough. You must remember, that not a lot of Digimon have Mid-Godly Regen. As such being erased into nothingness means death for them. Hence as I explained in my Zeed example or Executor explained in his comments above. Dying isn't the requirement. As Executor explained, denying the process of Digimon Rebirth is equal to denying one the return from nothingness. A state where ones mind, body and soul have been erased. i.e Mid-Godly Regen.

I hope I explained it good enough.