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Misc. Digimon Revisions

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So we haven't had a big Digimon Revision in a while....Better fix that ovo. Now that I'm free from college for a couple weeks, I can do this.

But in all seriousness, this isn't one big revision. These are multiple small ones let's begin.

MoonMillenniummon and ZeedMillenniummon Acausality and Inherited Skills
By our definition of Acausality.

"An entity that is acausal has no true beginning or end, and is thus essentially immune to offensive causality manipulation and time travel. Even if you go back in time and kill an acausal being in the past or prevent him/her/it from being born/created, it will still exist in the present and other timelines. Often, even if an acausal being is killed in the present, it can still survive by appearing from another timeline. Thus, acausal beings are very difficult to permanently destroy, often requiring the use of high-level reality warping."

The Mille line is already Time Paradox Immune. But the likes of Moon and Zeed gain the other requirement. See Moon's official Databook entry.

Existing within Millenniumon's inner world, it is a soul Digimon. As a result of Millenniumon's dark spirit becoming a Digimon, it does not possess a fixed form. Although it often takes the shape of a crystal, it seems that, due to its hatred and anger against the enemies who oppose it, that shape can be changed. Also, as a soul it does not have substance, and so it is immune to physical attacks. To defeat Moon Millenniumon, one must first defeat Millenniummon, its true form, but it's likely there are virtually no Digimon who are up to that task. Also, even if by some chance Millenniumon is defeated, it is said that it will separate from its now-dead true form and be revived throughout time and space.
Now for inherited skills, they gain the abilities of Kimeramo and Machinedramo. That's all for them. Here I am hoping Zeed has a High-Godly feat somewhere. ovo

Seven Great Demon Lords Regen Negation
So one thing that has been brought up like once is the SGDL's regen negation. And it has been bothering me a bit.

So we know for a fact that the Demon Lords prevent people from returning from non-existence. However, the issue that I have seen raised is do they actually negate Mid-Godly Regen. Based on my lovely research, I have found out that rebirth is a synonym of both resurrection and Regenerationn. So make of that as you will. And the Demon Lords are stated to null resurrection AND rebirth. If rebirth did not mean Regenerationn, then it would be very redundant.

Also if anyone has any Demon Lord Regen feats, please let me know. Lucemon is kinda lacking that.

Anubismon Resurrection and Soul hax Details
So Anubismon as we know is the very underrated Digimon Universe judge of the Dead. As we know this guy can judge countless souls at a time and send them into non-existence. So maybe a buff to his soul hax?

One thing for sure is that he is able to revive beings from non-existence and resurrect them.

Yggdrasil's Existence Refromat
So this ability is very underrated. Like extremely underrated as people do not realize the scope and true use of this ability.

To quote Executor's respect blog.

"Yggdrasil is able to reformat his opponents, that is, he is able to remove from them characteristics that have given them some special quality, with which the opponent loses his ability and returns to a previous state of existence."

Based upon this, Yggdrasil can rewrite you to the point where you lose all your special abilities and returns you to a basic state of being. This is not Existence Erasure. This can be considered extremely high level Power Nullification and Existence Manipulation. This makes Yggdrasil a truly big threat.

Digicore Haxes
This is also a big deal with Digimon. The thing is that we have long treated Digicore haxes as Soul based moves. However, as Executor has proven in his Digimon Physiology blog, Digicore hax effects more than just the soul. It effect the very Mind, body and soul. Unless a hax specifically states soul or mind or body, General Digicore hax should be seen as the destruction of the mind, body and soul. Or as we treated Alphamon's Digitalize of Soul, possibly Essence hax? I still don't understand it much. Cal can explain it better than me.

Dexmon, Embodiment of Death?
This is just a concern Executor stated during his Yggdrasil blog. We for some reason never went over it.

"In this scene Omegamon X talks about the nature of Death-X-Mon, one of the creations of Yggdrasil. He reveals that this being is not a digimon, but rather death itself. I do not know what can be classified to create something that embodies death itself, it may already be listed here, but I want suggestions."

We can just discuss this. If it helps anything, we do know Yggdrasil has power of Life and Death so maybe it is possible. This can be our little group discussion.

Warrior Ten and Kid Lucemon Speed Buff? -Denied-
Now we know the Warrior Ten are scaled to one another. However, I have noticed on small detail. AnchientSphinxmon is so far the fastest of them due to his natural pre-evolution being Cerberumon, who has Infinite speed for being a natural Dark Area inhabitant. So would these guys scale to Cerberumon then? It should be noted that this would make Agunimon's Infinite Speed feat for fighting Cerberumon early on wouldn't actually be that crazy. This would only scale to the Warrior Ten, Kid Lucemon, Frontier Angels, Frontier Royal Knights, Aldamon, EmperorGreymon, Beowolfmon, MagnaGarurumon, and the Digimon that inherit the full power of the Warrior Ten Members. So this doesn't make Agunimon's outlier any less of an outlier for him.

That's all I believe....Nope I lied.

Lucemon Hax Additio
Let's say Cyber Sleuth also granted Lucemon some other abilities with some powerful elemental abilities.

Transmutation and Power Nullification via Regression Shining Laser

Can turn resistances into weaknesses and vice versa via Purging Gale Storm

Stunning via Blackout Awesome Quake

Poisoning via Violated Rune Forest

Paralysis via Crucified Thunder Fall

All possible Cyber Sleuth statuses via Dead or Alive

Possible one hit kill via Condemning Hell Crusher.

Satan Mode Only:

100% One Hit Kill via Ruinous Destruction

AP buff with Resentment -Extreme-

Some form of Durability Negation with "I will eradicate you!"
 
1) Going to need extensive input on this first one, since we haven't really touched our Acausality definition since our revisions. Skill-wise it should be okay, but there isn't really any notable hax in there.

2) Darkanine and Executor would probably be better suited for evaluating this than I, given that they've gathered all the Cyber Sleuth and Next Order feats.

3) This seems alright.

4) Alright.

5) Requires more discussion and input than just me, but I think this would be fine.

6) Eh... we need more context. There are a lot of statements like this throughout media.

7) I was under the impression that we've restricted infinite speed Cerberumon to the databook, since we'd also need to make infinite speed Savers and Xros Wars from the same scaling.
 
1) Understood.

6) Yeah, wasn't sure on that.


7)Infinite Speed Cerberumon is Databook. However, the Warrior Ten fight with Lucemon is also in the Databook. Also like I said Agunimon's fight with him is like a massive outlier. Digimon Frontier's events are connected directly with the Databook.

Also added a number 8.
 
1. I would be okay with Acasual Moon and Zeed, given both the causality loop and that statement.

2. I thought we already had that? The Demon Lords are said to be able to stop the cycle of death and rebirth, simply consigning the Digimon they kill to non-existence.

3. Seems okay.

4. Seems solid as well.

5. I think this seems okay too. Like Reppuzan, I would like more input.

6. Given that the statement comes from Omegamon, I'm inclined to believe it as a literal statement. Would like more input though.

7. I'm really, really iffy on scaling Agunimon to Infinite speed. All of his other major speed feats are infinitely below that.

8. Lucemon already has some of these powers, but the ones he doesn't have seem okay.
 
The only thing I have to add which I wanna ask about is how does infinite vs immeasurable speed work? This is obviously pertaining warrior ten and the like. If they are from another dimension entirely, then wouldnt immeasurable best fit? The scaling is a tad wonky, I agree with Darkanine, but I never really understood the difference. If someone can fact check me, that will be super. I do think however, those that scale too agunimon should be given either 'Likely' Infinite speed or Infinite speed, depending on the context.

I dont have that much time to fact check each of the individual digimon, but everything else looks allright.
 
2) We did, I just wanted to solidify it to breakdown any concerns. So more of a re-evaluation.

7) I think you guys misunderstood. I'm not saying to scale Agunimon. I still stated the feat is a huge outlier, I'm just saying we could scale the Warrior Ten, Those who fully (Beowolfmon and above) inherit their power, Kid Lucemon, Royal Knights and Angels.

8) Yeah, just adding more options.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
2) We did, I just wanted to solidify it to breakdown any concerns. So more of a re-evaluation.

7) I think you guys misunderstood. I'm not saying to scale Agunimon. I still stated the feat is a huge outlier, I'm just saying we could scale the Warrior Ten, Those who fully (Beowolfmon and above) inherit their power, Kid Lucemon, Royal Knights and Angels.

8) Yeah, just adding more options.
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Then in that case, I retract my points for 7
 
@Dragon

I'm really not sure about even scaling up the fully evolved forms, since MagnaGarurumon's strongest attack is FTL. It would be awfully outlierish.
 
Okay, so just keep it to AncientSphinxmon? (Remember he only gets this via Databook Cerberumon)
 
I think its a bit of abusing scaling. I understand your point, but the rest of the warrior ten and Frontier cast can have their current speed rating and AncientSphynxmon keep his Infinite Speed, and it wouldnt be inconsistent as we dont scale everyone who can fight Cerberumon to its infinite speed.
 
It's more or less AncientSphinxmon is a canon evolution of Cerberumon, hence why he has the speed.
 
Sure, but scaling that to the rest, who arent inhabitants of the dark area, looks like a strech to me.
 
Mkay, Understandable. Though this means Kid Lucemon should've gotten blitzed by AncientSphinxmon.
 
Also, Im not quite sure about the "negating rebirth" thing.

Are you saying they can negate Mid-godly regen by default?
 
Are we playing with semantics? rebirth = regen? because usually rebirth is closer to resurrection than to regen.

Also, in digimon, when a digimon dies, a digiegg is born, and said mon is rebirthed. Its different from actual regen from other verses/characters.
 
It's more specifically the power to deny the return from nothingness actually.
 
Explaining reincarnation again in Digimon.

When a Digimon dies, whether for life time or for battle, it is deleted. That is, your data is completely erased and then it is sent to the Dark Area, a world of nothing that exists outside of conventional space and in the total absence of time, which is where the deleted Digimon exist.

Thus the Digimon of the Dark Area are the results of a complete erase of existence, without Digicore being the source of the physical body, its powers, its mind, its soul and everything that makes that Digimon a Digimon.

Reincarnation is the process whereby a dead Digimon, or erased, returns to existence having its Digicore back to exist and with that a new life begins.

That is, the SGDL in preventing the process of reincarnation are denying a process from which something completely erased from existence (both the physical body, the mind and the soul) would return to existence. As mid-godly Regenerationn fits into this description, from something completely erased at all possible levels, that is why SGDL is said to deny mid-godly Regenerationn.
 
Technically, just saying, but as you said "When a Digimon dies"

This means the digimon had to die first and then rebirth from nothing. Does this scale to people who "doesnt die"? For example, lets say, Zeed (inverse-wise).

Im asking, Im curious.
 
It would likely work as the main thing the Demon Lords truly negate is the return from nothingness. Hence, if Lucemon destroyed Zeed's body, mind and soul, he'd be done. And then, he'd comeback in another timeline as acausality users are a whole nother deal.

To put it simply, they deny the return from nothingness.
 
Being straightforward the SGDL are directly said to deny the rebirth of the Digimon which is a process whereby something that has been erased from existence completely returns to exist. Thus the SGDL deny the ability of something erased from existence to return to existence.
 
Alright.

However, if we were facing someone like, GEoM, would destroying his body still apply to whatever the higher dimensional entity would create as a new body?

This question is more directed to the SGDL's higher dimensional standing.
 
No as they'd overpower their ability. The SGDL basically stop anyone in their Dimensional level. So don't expect Lucemon to be cancelling out a 4-B's Regen when they got a 1-B backing them. That'd be NLF.
 
Oh, no, didnt mean exactly GEoM. But, for characters who have higher dimensional entities backing them up in general (of course Low 1-C and below).
 
@Executor What's your thoughts on everything else (Aside from point 7 of course)
 
I am in favor of the other points, they seem legitimate to me, especially the new abilities for Lucemon (It is always good for Lucemon to have new powers e.e).
 
Cuz y'know, Lucemon needed more stuff in that wall of text ovo.

Okay then. Our main group has agreed to this stuff. I'll ait just a bit longer though.
 
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