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Mirage Mewtwo AP Description Update

Just a note, he doesnt scale off the Primals correct? Since technically they existed in universe but they werent made untoll like a decade later as theyre gen 6 and as far as i know i doubt Young would have a bunch of info on them even if we count them considering their last appearance could be well before modern science was a thing in universe.
 
I forgot about that moment. In any case, the others are still debatable.
 
Its a case of he stays the same since base Ray is 6-A or he gets downgraded since I don't recall Rayquuza fending off the Primals in the anime canon.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Its a case of he stays the same since base Ray is 6-A or he gets downgraded since I don't recall Rayquuza fending off the Primals in the anime canon.
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The game mentions a trainer with a Black Charizard, which is Alain, also Ash Pikachu, Greninja and Dusk Lycanrock are all present in the games.

Base Rayquaza is at least High 6-A because its presence [in all continuities] causes both Groudon and Kyogre [Who are High 6-A via Groudon feat] to stop, meaning that they would both get defeated by fighting him. Mega is at least High 6-A, likely higher because its much stronger than before.
 
Mirage Mewtwo should be way stronger than Lugia, so 6-A tier still seems okay.
 
The game snd anime are completely different, that's no more than an Easter egg and even if they do exist in the game's, the unuverse us still different.

If they were the same universe sun and moon would be literally impossible And XYZ outright contradicts the games along with many other cases of things being completely differnt.

Which goes back to MM being anime exclusive where Ray didn't fight the primals in base.
 
Composite Mewtwo is scaled from manga feats. Mirage Mewtwo is at least High 6-A (Rayquaza Dna, who can easily overwhelm Groudon and Kyogre in all continuities), likely higher (All the plus Dna's)
 
See I do get the whole composite thing and I think it's fine, but this is a character that only exists in the anime and no other canon at all, not even implied or mentioned, not even his creator.
 
So we can keep the Rayquaza and erase the Groudon, Kyogre, Jirachi, and Deoxys, then.
 
I disagree completely. Even if the special takes place after 5 movies (where does if say this anyway) the point is these pokemon exist by the time of the special so Mirage Master would have gotten their data to input into creating Mirage Mewtwo. Literally all pokemon before Gen 4 would be apart of this, Mirage Mewtwo has all existing pokemon data before Sinnoh
 
Mirage Mewtwo is Anime exclusive yes, but Groudon in all continuities created the continents [By Pokédex and statements] and Rayquaza regularly overwhelms him in all continuities, so its tier is fine.
 
Technically, Groudon, Kyogre, and Jirachi were in a slumber for many years and Deoxys is still in space.
 
We don't know if Yung had the informations about Deoxys [Alien from space] and Jirachi [A Pokémon that appears only after a very long years sleep], if he had Groudon and Kyogre data's is speculation because they never appared in modern times as they were hidden in place were no scientists could access.
 
If doesnf matter where they were. Mirage Master obtained all pokemon data from all around the world to make M.M., which would still include these 3. In other words, as long as its not a pokemon who is Gen 4 and higher, Mirage Mewtwo gets their data for himself.
 
Rayquaza has been chillin in the ozone layer all this time and getting captured for science.
 
This movie takes place in the BF season so honestly, they should be fine. Id rather just scale him to G3 Rayquwza instead of G6 Ray due to continuity differences.
 
@Dark

If he himself didn't have it, he would've easily gotten it from Birch. Or Oak, or literally any other pokemon database from around the world. Even if he himself didnt have it, someone on Earth certainly would have it.
 
Like stated above, this takes place in BF so the other movies would come before this anyway.

And did anyone forget the Deoxys n Pokemon Ranger special too? So yeah Deoxys definitely existed in the anime by then.
 
Original and Remake Groudon are the same meaning that they can perform the same feats, the only difference that Mega's were not found yet in the Original.
 
PaChi2 said:
Can I bring the XD and Colosseum continuities here?
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In the original game continuity yes, the Dark Pokémon were created here by Ein and other scientists as the opposite of Mega's since the latter requires the heart of the Pokémon and the other locks it. Groudon raised the continents, which is High 6-A as stated by Pokédex, which Dr. Young could have taken information from.
 
Oopsie, if MM has Shadow pokemon powers, he needs some additions.

And the Lucario thing?
 
I'm still disagreeing with Jirachi and Deoxys being removed. Deoxys existed in the anime way before this special in the Pokemon Ranger, this special takes place during BF at least and I find if very very hard to believe not even one Pokemon database or research facility in the entire pokemon world wouldn't have data on these 2.
 
PaChi2 said:
Oopsie, if MM has Shadow pokemon powers, he needs some additions.
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No, the shadow pokémon never appeared nor created in the anime continuity, only in the game original continuity, which is not the new continuity with mega's.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
I'm still disagreeing with Jirachi and Deoxys being removed. Deoxys existed in the anime way before this special in the Pokemon Ranger.
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If the Pokédex reads their data's without being unknown like the first time for Mewtwo.
 
It's a easy way to gain informations from the Pokédex and from all other bases considering his work as the Mirage Master, if the Pokédex had Jirachi, Groudon and Kyogre informations it means that he had all 386 Pokémon of the time and i will undo.
 
I don't see what you mean by connected when Young had an entire worlds worth of pokemon data in his grasp. "All existing pokemon data". So yes he'd have connections with them too.
 
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