Miraculous Ladybug General Discussion 2

[Lort15]

It's just no one really understood her, the only only one who truly understood her was adrien, and none. Talking about brat, was cuz of her sassy aah mother if she was given proper love and care, she and Adrien would've been same in personality. Although you could argue that Adrien got the best personality out of all despite not getting same love and affection from his loved one either. Tho her father was a great guy, i can give you that, since she left the show, it's kinda feels empty without her.

i mean family issue isn't really a reason to become such this annoying and bad, Adrien and Mylene are peak examples, it's just the way she deciced to do Thomas confirmed that even as Queen Bee she loved to play superhero not really she became good

 

[CelestialVortex01]

This was such a crazy ep, it was SO worth the wait

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

It's actually intangible like if you attack to water the attack will pass through, like Lapis lazuli's clones etc. We do have elemental intangibility in our intangibility page

Wait 'til Sleeping Syren.

Just how many miraculous on on earth? States, Japan, brazil?! What is this, a miraculous bargain sale?

Look at the light spots.

Btw guys who's your fav character from show?

King Monkey.

 

[Lort15]

Wait 'til Sleeping Syren.

don't we assume water intangible by default in vsbw standarts?

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

don't we assume water intangible by default in vsbw standarts?

Depends on the kind of structure they posses. A character who can liquidify itself can get it. A water construct can have more buts because they might have an actual structural integrity.

Also, for all we know they might just reform back later on the episode.

 

[Lort15]

Depends on the kind of structure they posses. A character who can liquidify itself can get it. A water construct can have more buts because they might have an actual structural integrity.

Also, for all we know they might just reform back later on the episode.

elemental intangibility crys in corner gng

 

[Lort15]

I think so.

wait you retired?? whyyy

 

[Lort15]

And then proceeds to explain how she knows Cat noir better and learned how to fight together, so no she didn't meant actually more powerful. Even Stormy was stated to be more powerful because she already knows her powers not because she actually became more powerful

hi, so i'm asking that what will be the ability of lucky charm be like it's knowing everything to defeat the villains even without them showing a weakness to Ladybug could this be Cosmic awareness, nigh-omniscient intelligence or maybe information analysis for lucky charm itself it seems that it is capable of knowing everything in the show i'm not giving scans because you know the things in the miraculous already

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

The Lucky Charm has no homologous indexed ability. It’s too cryptic as of how it works other than giving Ladybug what she needs.

 

[Lort15]

The Lucky Charm has no homologous indexed ability. It’s too cryptic as of how it works other than giving Ladybug what she needs.

knowing what she needs is a notable thing idk why are you tryna leave it under rock, basically that lucky charm knows the future, past events somehow and gives her what she needs, it's about the power itself not ladybug or tikki, lucky charm was aware from snake miraculous being used that must be cosmic awareness for the power itself and more, it must be noted in Ladybug's profile with a good explanation

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

hi, so i'm asking that what will be the ability of lucky charm be like it's knowing everything to defeat the villains even without them showing a weakness to Ladybug could this be Cosmic awareness, nigh-omniscient intelligence or maybe information analysis for lucky charm itself it seems that it is capable of knowing everything in the show i'm not giving scans because you know the things in the miraculous already

Yeah it's as Monkey said it's not clear why or how Lucky charm knows the way to defeat someone. Also Lucky charm is in itself a technique not a person so granting an ability to the technique itself which cannot obviously apply to the person seems very weird.
It could be just luck which to the highest level works similar to fate manipulation changing reality so that the object becames the way to win, it's a theory based on Cat Noir's cataclysm that is actually granting bad luck and Ladybug being the opposite. It's better to wait and see if they give it an explanation, overall there is a lot of stuff about kwamis and their powers that are vague or mysterious.

 

[Lort15]

Yeah it's as Monkey said it's not clear why or how Lucky charm knows the way to defeat someone. Also Lucky charm is in itself a technique not a person so granting an ability to the technique itself which cannot obviously apply to the person seems very weird.
It could be just luck which to the highest level works similar to fate manipulation changing reality so that the object becames the way to win, it's a theory based on Cat Noir's cataclysm that is actually granting bad luck and Ladybug being the opposite. It's better to wait and see if they give it an explanation, overall there is a lot of stuff about kwamis and their powers that are vague or mysterious.

yeah i get it but can't this be noted somehow in ladybug's profile? i mean it is explanation worthy

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Lucky Charm is mentioned on her Magical Object Creation and on her notable attacks.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

yeah i get it but can't this be noted somehow in ladybug's profile? i mean it is explanation worthy

If you want to add more explanation to the notable attacks section sure do as you want but adding a power with the little information we have seems not a good idea.

 

[Lort15]

Lucky Charm is mentioned on her Magical Object Creation and on her notable attacks.

i know i was the one who added it but i've kinda undersold it on explanation

If you want to add more explanation to the notable attacks section sure do as you want but adding a power with the little information we have seems not a good idea.

maybe we add the explanation about what is magical luck/lucky charm capable of? like the feats lucky charm performed as capable of knowing opponents weaknesses, past-future events, also off topic but from reflekdoll ep lucky charm adapts to it's user mindset and gives lucky charms based on their mindset as ladynoire explained, it gave a mirror to Mr.bug because of him being a simple person a direct way to open the door/gate of reflekdoll however to marinette it gives an object with complicated solution because marinette has a mindset in that way, should i mention that in profile too?
The scan:

 

[Lort15]

btw can i get both of your discords? it is lowk hard to talk in here @Monkey_Dunno @Suigetsuhyugs, i will need both of your helps in my next crt since you guys are one of the most knowledgable ppl over this verse

 

[Lort15]

-Pigella (TBA)

-Polymouse (TBA)

-Rooster Bold (Almost done, needs gifs for notable attack techniques)

-Minitourax (Almost done, needs gifs for nta and more references)

-Caprikid (Almost Done, needs gifs for notable attack techniques)

-Miss Hound (TBA)

- Purple Tigress (Done)

-Shadybug (Done)

-Claw Noir (Still needs work, stats needs to be added, needs gifs for notable attack techniques)

-Betterfly (TBA)

 

[Lort15]

-Pigella (TBA)

-Polymouse (TBA)

-Rooster Bold (Almost done, needs gifs for notable attack techniques)

-Minitourax (TBA)

-Caprikid (Almost Done, needs gifs for notable attack techniques)

-Miss Hound (TBA)

- Purple Tigress (Done)

-Shadybug (Done)

-Claw Noir (Still needs work, stats needs to be added, needs gifs for notable attack techniques)

-Betterfly (TBA)

snip.

snip.

any opinions?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

any opinions?

You don't add all the references, you still add the abilities despite being on the physiology.
Other than that nothing major.

 

[Lort15]

You don't add all the references, you still add the abilities despite being on the physiology.
Other than that nothing major.

uh i didn't, except superhuman physical characeristic, martial arts and awakened powers& purification (i will delete the last two later when i'm done with my crt)
edit: i only add references to imgur scans, i don't add references to yt eps because it's the og source of miraculous studio

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

uh i didn't, except superhuman physical characeristic, martial arts and awakened powers& purification (i will delete the last two later when i'm done with my crt)

If you are deleting those it's better but also why is is awakened power and then links to statistics amplification? Miraculous physiology page lists it as reactive evolution.

edit: i only add references to imgur scans, i don't add references to yt eps because it's the og source of miraculous studio

If you saw the pages I made you would understand that I always add references, even if my pages end up with 100 references. Maybe others don't mind but I do it like that.

 

[Lort15]

If you are deleting those it's better but also why is is awakened power and then links to statistics amplification? Miraculous physiology page lists it as reactive evolution.

i will change reactive evolution to awakened/statistic amplification powers that's why

If you saw the pages I made you would understand that I always add references, even if my pages end up with 100 references. Maybe others don't mind but I do it like that.

i didn't see any of your page but i thought it wouldn't matter to add references because some of the links comes from Miraculous official channel sooo i only added to those which comes unofficial sources that i've added imgur links

 

[Lort15]

btw we need akumatized villains, akuma and sentimonster physiology frfr

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

i will change reactive evolution to awakened/statistic amplification powers that's why

The scans imply to be reactive evolution or adaptability rather than statistics amplification considering it's not supposed to be temporary and it's not really about stats but more so about powers.

i didn't see any of your page but i thought it wouldn't matter to add references because some of the links comes from Miraculous official channel sooo i only added to those which comes unofficial sources that i've added imgur links

An example if you will. I usually put everything on imgur because I can fix it if anything happens.

 

[Lort15]

The scans imply to be reactive evolution or adaptability rather than statistics amplification considering it's not supposed to be temporary and it's not really about stats but more so about powers.

so i musn't change it? i was doing it because suggested by monkey dunno

An example if you will. I usually put everything on imgur because I can fix it if anything happens.

thank you i will check it

 

[Lort15]

-Pigella (TBA)

-Polymouse (TBA)

-Rooster Bold (Almost done, needs gifs for notable attack techniques)

-Minitourax (Almost done, needs gifs for nta and more references)

-Caprikid (Almost Done, needs gifs for notable attack techniques)

-Miss Hound (TBA)

- Purple Tigress (Done)

-Shadybug (Done)

-Claw Noir (Still needs work, stats needs to be added, needs gifs for notable attack techniques)

-Betterfly (TBA)

Minitourax has been added

 

[Imaginym]

Btw guys who's your fav character from show?

Marinette's comedic in her chaos, & her battle IQ is great.
I like how chill Adrien is, & love his quips. I also like Luka's chill-ness.
Kagami's mentality is interesting to see expressed.
Master Fu even had nice serenity for a time, even if he wasn't perfect in his teachings.
Gabriel/Hawkmoth was also a great ham.
Later into Season 5, I gained an appreciation for Felix.
There's several that I appreciate a lot, so it's hard to pick. Though, with how much Marinette gets the spotlight, it's hard not to notice great moments for her.
So she's a strong candidate.
But still not 100% sure.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

I'm Monkey Dunno everywhere.

The scans imply to be reactive evolution or adaptability rather than statistics amplification considering it's not supposed to be temporary and it's not really about stats but more so about powers.

I've already explained it here.

Developed Miraculous powers have no relation with the indexed definition the wiki gives to Adaptation or Reactive Evolution.

btw we need akumatized villains, akuma and sentimonster physiology frfr

Akumatized Villains, yeah.

Akuma maybe.

Sentimonsters can wait for the mean time. They don't have many indexed abilities as a group and tend to vary a lot because of what they are created to be in-universe.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Also, Sleeping Syren trailer (Both Portuguese and French):



Sypnosis: "When Ondine worries that she still hasn’t had her first kiss with Kim and wonders about his true feelings, Marinette decides to help her… in her own way!"

Also, The Dark Castle's Sypnosis:

"To allow Alix to celebrate her birthday with her friends and family, Marinette retrieves the Rabbit Miraculous and becomes the Guardian of Time for a few hours."

And if you wanna know. It's confirmed that side heroes can use the Power-up potions, namely Rena Rouge and Argos.

 

[Imaginym]

I had been thinking recently, &....

What of All For One (My Hero Academia.) versus Hawkmoth (Miraculous Ladybug) as a matchup?

Both are supervillains who worked by giving other people superpowers, & spend the majority of their time in seclusion, & IIRC, end up with physical hindrances.
Both also have access to a lot of different powers.
(That said, I have not seen the ending of MHA, nor any of Season 6 of ML.)

What do folks think about this matchup?

 

[Lort15]

Also, Sleeping Syren trailer (Both Portuguese and French):



Sypnosis: "When Ondine worries that she still hasn’t had her first kiss with Kim and wonders about his true feelings, Marinette decides to help her… in her own way!"

Also, The Dark Castle's Sypnosis:

"To allow Alix to celebrate her birthday with her friends and family, Marinette retrieves the Rabbit Miraculous and becomes the Guardian of Time for a few hours."

And if you wanna know. It's confirmed that side heroes can use the Power-up potions, namely Rena Rouge and Argos.

Dragonbug made a comeback in syren, with aqua suit!

 

[FentyBeauty]

Also, Sleeping Syren trailer (Both Portuguese and French):



Sypnosis: "When Ondine worries that she still hasn’t had her first kiss with Kim and wonders about his true feelings, Marinette decides to help her… in her own way!"

me waiting for ondine to get her lick back after her man was calling another girl the prettiest n funniest to her face last season

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

What of All For One (My Hero Academia.) versus Hawkmoth (Miraculous Ladybug) as a matchup?

Nice thematically. Stomp Matchup yet.

me waiting for ondine to get her lick back after her man was calling another girl the prettiest n funniest to her face last season

She has avoided another akumatization for way too long.

 

[Imaginym]

Nice thematically. Stomp Matchup yet.

Does Hawkmoth have some sort of fear or scaling to get him near to what Tikki's no holder controlled yet out of control Lucky Charm did?

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Does Hawkmoth have some sort of fear or scaling to get him near to what Tikki's no holder controlled yet out of control Lucky Charm did?

Doesn't scales to nobody physically. No.

Stormy Weather 2 scaling when

 

[Lort15]

I had been thinking recently, &....

What of All For One (My Hero Academia.) versus Hawkmoth (Miraculous Ladybug) as a matchup?

Both are supervillains who worked by giving other people superpowers, & spend the majority of their time in seclusion, & IIRC, end up with physical hindrances.
Both also have access to a lot of different powers.
(That said, I have not seen the ending of MHA, nor any of Season 6 of ML.)

What do folks think about this matchup?

Depends on the key Hawkmoth would probably get beaten up but Monarch would win easily

 

[Imaginym]

Depends on the key Hawkmoth would probably get beaten up but Monarch would win easily

Ah. I used Hawkmoth as a term for the character in general.

Plus....

Hawk Moth

Gabriel Agreste is Adrien's father and a famous fashion designer, creating and owning the brand Gabriel. With the Moth Miraculous, when inhabited by Nooroo, he transforms into Hawk Moth (or Papillion in French). He wants Ladybug's and Cat Noir's Miraculouses for himself to obtain absolute power...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Tier: 9-B | At least High 7-C | At least High 7-C | At least High 7-C | 7-C | At least High 7-C

I'm assuming it's hax, or maybe something to do with Speed?
What's the weakest Gabriel Agreste form that can beat All For One & why?

Incidentally....
Hypersonic with FTL combat and reaction speed (Comparable to Bug Noir), Massively FTL+ attack speed with Voyage (Comparable to Pegasus' Voyage, which could outspeed Startrain)

What does the Hypersonic apply to? Travel Speed?

Would matter because:

Relativistic+ (As fast as before), higher with Rewind Drug (His speed has grown considerably, to the point he states that he feels as light as silk.[26] Blitzed the X-66 jets,[34] which can dodge Radio Waves along with Star and Stripe[35]), Speed of Light attack speed with Radio Waves

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

I'm assuming it's hax

He probably means the Rabbit Miraculous, so that's probably OG Monarch.

Hawk Moth's current profile is bad right now anyways.

 

[Lort15]

Ah. I used Hawkmoth as a term for the character in general.

Plus....

Hawk Moth

Gabriel Agreste is Adrien's father and a famous fashion designer, creating and owning the brand Gabriel. With the Moth Miraculous, when inhabited by Nooroo, he transforms into Hawk Moth (or Papillion in French). He wants Ladybug's and Cat Noir's Miraculouses for himself to obtain absolute power...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Tier: 9-B | At least High 7-C | At least High 7-C | At least High 7-C | 7-C | At least High 7-C

I'm assuming it's hax, or maybe something to do with Speed?
What's the weakest Gabriel Agreste form that can beat All For One & why?

Incidentally....
Hypersonic with FTL combat and reaction speed (Comparable to Bug Noir), Massively FTL+ attack speed with Voyage (Comparable to Pegasus' Voyage, which could outspeed Startrain)

What does the Hypersonic apply to? Travel Speed?

Would matter because:

Relativistic+ (As fast as before), higher with Rewind Drug (His speed has grown considerably, to the point he states that he feels as light as silk.[26] Blitzed the X-66 jets,[34] which can dodge Radio Waves along with Star and Stripe[35]), Speed of Light attack speed with Radio Waves

Yes he outhaxes as Monarch with time travel, self-power bestowal that allows him to get any ability from his own verse, Invulnurability that makes him immune to any ability from his own verse again etc

 

[Imaginym]

He probably means the Rabbit Miraculous, so that's probably OG Monarch.

Hawk Moth's current profile is bad right now anyways.

Yeah. BTW, what specific value does Gabriel's profile use for his Large Town Level rating? What's the scaling point?