Minor removal of Self-Sustenance from Spider-Man, Iron Man, Super Dog and other characters

[ImmortalDread]

I am not enthusiastic about creating a CRT for basic knowledge like this, but whatever. From what I heard in this speech, here are some points that readers should note:

Character profiles:​

• Spider-Man (Type 1; The Iron Spider has an onboard oxygen supply) ~ it is in his optional equipment and seems his clothes provide him with an oxygen supply.
• Iron Man (Type 1; could survive the vacuum of space) ~ unsure if he survived it without a helmet or not
• Superdog (Type 1; with a space helmet) ~ self-explanatory
• Samus Aran (Zero Mission) (pseudo, Type 1; capable of emerging herself underwater for an indefinite period of time, stated to have oxygen supply equipment and additional infrared vision within her suit in the Super Metroid Manual) ~ self-explanatory
• Same reasoning for Post Fusion version and for Legendary Suit version
• Isaac Clarke (Limited, Type 1; with RIG) ~ seems with additional equipment

According to this, every human being is able to survive without oxygen because we have clothes or a helmet that can supply oxygen in space (which makes no sense). All characters above require oxygen to breathe. This is not fitting in our standard guidelines.

I will give an easier comparison, so you understand why I want to remove them if I now have a lighter, do I get fire manipulation? Obviously not.

For new visitors, this is our current definition of type 1 self-sustenance:

Type 1: Respiratory Self-Sustenance: The ability to live indefinitely without oxygen (or whatever substance that the creature's species breathes). This includes surviving in the vacuum of space or in the depths of an ocean. This may provide resistance to certain gas-based toxins.

For members and OGs, I will be explaining in complicated terms why they do not qualify, since many of you seem to be a misunderstanding:

It's not a question of whether their suits are standard equipment or not. Self-Sustenance is not necessary for people who always have oxygen on them; it's for people who don't need oxygen.

And once again, Self-Sustenance is for indefinite amounts of time, not 74 Hours, and then I need to refill my tanks.
Self-Sustenance on paper means indefinite propagation without the essential nutrition and/or processes.

 

[Dalesean027]

There are plenty of other characters who get self-sustenance for having suits or equipment that allow them to breathe in space so I may be wrong but I don't particularly see how that makes these wrong to have either

I do see the conversation with Propellus as well but I honestly don't know that this is particular a wrong thing from what I've seen so i'll wait for more input because I'm curious to see the answer but more likely than not thier self sustenance is applicable since say samus, dead space, or any other space suit wearing characters who can operate in space have self sustenance

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Why would this ever be Self-Sustenance? This is completely antithetical to Self-Sustenance, in fact, seeing as how the characters still require oxygen to survive.

 

[Dalesean027]

Why would this ever be Self-Sustenance?

That's the question, we'll just have to see what staff says about it because as I said above

samus, dead space, or any other space suit wearing characters who can operate in space have self sustenance

So I'm curious about the answer as well

 

[Transcending]

I agree

 

[ImmortalDread]

There are plenty of other characters who get self-sustenance for having suits or equipment that allow them to breathe in space so I may be wrong but I don't particularly see how that makes these wrong to have either

I do see the conversation with Propellus as well but I honestly don't know that this is particular a wrong thing from what I've seen so i'll wait for more input because I'm curious to see the answer but more likely than not thier self sustenance is applicable since say samus, dead space, or any other space suit wearing characters who can operate in space have self sustenance

How? Without any offence, if having clothes or space helmet gives you this ability, then every human being including you and me have the ability? Does it rly makes sense for u?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Why would this ever be Self-Sustenance? This is completely antithetical to Self-Sustenance, in fact, seeing as how the characters still require oxygen to survive.

Exactly. I actually wondered why the characters got it. It is somehow basic common sense, lol.

It is completely unfair against characters like Saitama, they have been shown they could breathe in the universe. We could not give him the ability until the fight against Garou.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Makes sense

 

[Dalesean027]

How? Without any offence, if having clothes or space helmet gives you this ability, then every human being including you and me have the ability? Does it rly makes sense for u?

I honestly have no idea how I mean I can only assume for whatever means allowing them to breathe in space however seeing samus's hers has the extra ability to allow her to stay in water indefinitely so she had psuedo self sustenance but the dead space guy just has it for breathing through his suit lol

 

[ImmortalDread]

I honestly have no idea how I mean I can only assume for whatever means allowing them to breathe in space however seeing samus's hers has the extra ability to allow her to stay in water indefinitely so she had psuedo self sustenance but the dead space guy just has it for breathing through his suit lol

thats not rly an ability.... in 2050 we will have clothes as oxygen supply, so nothing here is considered as an ability.

 

[Dalesean027]

thats not rly an ability.... in 2050 we will have clothes as oxygen supply, so nothing here is considered as an ability.

I mean then add it to the list it's not like I'm defending it, as I said prior I'm curious to see as well since there are people who have it through the means I said above

 

[Testarossa002]

This is straightforward enough
I agree FRA

 

[ImmortalDread]

I mean then add it to the list it's not like I'm defending it, as I said prior I'm curious to see as well since there are people who have it through the means I said above

mind giving me the link of profile. I will add it.

 

[Propellus]

I will have to say that was a bit rude of you to just come into my wall like that and just simply tell me to remove an ability without providing any proper reasoning, you could've just asked. Please never do that again. But anyways...

Honestly, it would actually make sense if we made a new type for Self-Sustenance for how we treat Underwater Breathing but with gear. But however, I'm slightly neutral on completely removing this from them as this would imply that they would eventually still start suffocating in Outer Space when their suit clearly shows that this isn't the case. But then again, this is like saying we can't have abilities through certain equipment.

 

[Dereck03]

I agree. The page clearly states that it is the ability to survive an indefinite time without oxygen, actually the characters listed by the OP clearly need oxygen to survive, so if you simply removed the oxygen from the elements that provide them they would simply die.

 

[ImmortalDread]

This is straightforward enough
I agree FRA

Ay thank you very much <3

 

[ImmortalDread]

I agree. The page clearly states that it is the ability to survive an indefinite time without oxygen, actually the characters listed by the OP clearly need oxygen to survive, so if you simply removed the oxygen from the elements that provide them they would simply die.

Thanks for the honest opinion, tho! This is my total point!

 

[Dalesean027]

mind giving me the link of profile. I will add it.

Apologies I'll have to do so when I'm on break as I've been at work

 

[Dalesean027]

Samus Aran (Zero Mission)

Samus Aran is a legendary skilled intergalactic bounty hunter known for her exploits against the Space Pirates, beginning with her destruction of their Zebesian base in her Zero Mission. After being orphaned by a Space Pirate attack on her homeworld of K-2L led by Ridley, Samus was adopted by...

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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Samus_Aran_(Legendary_Suit)

Samus Aran (Post-Fusion)

Samus Aran is a legendary skilled intergalactic bounty hunter known for her exploits against the Space Pirates, which hit its' prime with the destruction of the Zebesian base in Super Metroid. Time passes and Samus is set to once again explore SR-388 for the Federation, unknowingly coming in...

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This being the justification for each

pseudo-Self-Sustenance (Type 1, capable of emerging herself underwater for an indefinite period of time, stated to have oxygen supply equipment and additional infrared vision within her suit in the Super Metroid Manual)

Isaac Clarke

Isaac Clarke is not a legendary hero, nor is he a brave warrior-- Isaac Clarke is just a systems engineer employed at the Concordance Extraction Corporation (CEC). One day, the CEC receive a distress signal from the "planetcracker" starship USG Ishimura, on which Isaac's girlfriend Nicole is on...

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[Blackcurrant91]

I think 'Psuedo' self sustenance or 'Via Equipment' works fine here tbh, it's fairly normal to grant abilities gained through equipment.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I think 'Psuedo' self sustenance or 'Via Equipment' works fine here tbh, it's fairly normal to grant abilities gained through equipment.

Naw, makes no sense. The users still require oxygen to live. This is not an ability. It is something like me, and you can do that.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Samus Aran (Zero Mission)

Samus Aran is a legendary skilled intergalactic bounty hunter known for her exploits against the Space Pirates, beginning with her destruction of their Zebesian base in her Zero Mission. After being orphaned by a Space Pirate attack on her homeworld of K-2L led by Ridley, Samus was adopted by...

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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Samus_Aran_(Legendary_Suit)

Samus Aran (Post-Fusion)

Samus Aran is a legendary skilled intergalactic bounty hunter known for her exploits against the Space Pirates, which hit its' prime with the destruction of the Zebesian base in Super Metroid. Time passes and Samus is set to once again explore SR-388 for the Federation, unknowingly coming in...

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This being the justification for each

Isaac Clarke

Isaac Clarke is not a legendary hero, nor is he a brave warrior-- Isaac Clarke is just a systems engineer employed at the Concordance Extraction Corporation (CEC). One day, the CEC receive a distress signal from the "planetcracker" starship USG Ishimura, on which Isaac's girlfriend Nicole is on...

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I will be adding them in my OP. Thanks for help.

 

[Damage3245]

Makes sense to remove it.

 

[Propellus]

Naw, makes no sense. The users still require oxygen to live. This is not an ability. It is something like me, and you can do that.

Then again, so what? We literally got many other abilities that can be applied to normal humans as with their equipment which was accepted by our standards.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Then again, so what? We literally got many other abilities that can be applied to normal humans as with their equipment which was accepted by our standards.

so if I have a lighter in my hand, do I get fire manipulation?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Makes sense to remove it.

Thanks for your input!

 

[Propellus]

so if I have a lighter in my hand, do I get fire manipulation?

Could still work as minor fire manipulation. Hell, fire manip is viable for character who utilizes a flamethrower for a weapon. So I'm not really seeing your point here.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Could still work as minor fire manipulation. Hell, fire manip is viable for character who utilizes a flamethrower for a weapon. So I'm not really seeing your point here.

Brother, when someone has a space helmet to survive in space, it is clearly not self-sustenance. This is completely antithetical to Self-Sustenance.
In fact, those characters still require oxygen to survive.

Saitama did not even get self-sustenance ability when he was holding his nose in space. He only gets it in the fight against Garou. I don't see your point in anything.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Anyways, I got two staff members' approval. I will be removing the abilities from the profiles.

 

[Propellus]

Brother, when someone has a space helmet to survive in space, it is clearly not self-sustenance. This is completely antithetical to Self-Sustenance.
In fact, those characters still require oxygen to survive.

You're literally suggesting to remove an ability from these characters without replacing anything that would actually make sense for them to survive in space. That still implies that they would still suffocate in the debris in space despite having something that allows to them to breathe in space. Now this is the part where things don't really make sense here.

 

[Pikaman]

so if I have a lighter in my hand, do I get fire manipulation?

I’ve seen characters with water guns get water manip, so maybe

 

[ImmortalDread]

You're literally suggesting to remove an ability from these characters without replacing anything that would actually make sense for them to survive in space. That still implies that they would still suffocate in the debris in space despite having something that allows to them to breathe in space. Now this is the part where things don't really make sense here.

Those can be added to his optional equipment and not as an ability.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I’ve seen characters with water guns get water manip, so maybe

What? What they are even here manipulating, WTF?

 

[Pikaman]

Anyways agree with the CRT, having a supply of oxygen that lets you breathe in space is NOT the same as not needing oxygen, thus being able to breathe in space. Only the latter is self-sustenance

 

[ImmortalDread]

Anyways agree with the CRT, having a supply of oxygen that lets you breathe in space is NOT the same as not needing oxygen, thus being able to breathe in space. Only the latter is self-sustenance

Thanks for your input!

 

[Armorchompy]

I think listing it as self-sustenance is fine I don't care to debate it but if you wanna remove it please at least list it as underwater breathing type 3

 

[ImmortalDread]

I think listing it as self-sustenance is fine I don't care to debate it but if you wanna remove it please at least list it as underwater breathing type 3

Sure thing!

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Naw, makes no sense. The users still require oxygen to live. This is not an ability. It is something like me, and you can do that.

Ah so it makes no sense that we use a standard you don't agree with? If your equipment grants you the ability to exist without oxygen despite still requiring it it's completely fine.

This is complete semantics.

 

[Newendigo]

If you are going to remove the ability, make sure to replace it with a explanation that they can survive with equipment instead. Don't do a stupidity please.

 

[Pikaman]

If your equipment grants you the ability to exist without oxygen

But it doesn’t, there’s oxygen in the suit