Minor MCU Daredevil Revision

[Luigi3645]

Hello all
I noticed recently that Daredevil's speed is Supersonic+ which is consistent with the Netflix show, but I think he should have Massively Hypersonic+ reaction speed as well. The reason I bring this up is because in No Way Home he was able to easily catch a brick that flew through the window of the Parker's apartment and even seemed to have sensed it before it was thrown. Peter's spidey sense didn't even trigger before Matt was able to catch it and Peter was genuinely shocked how he had reflexes like that. So if that's the case, shouldn't he scale to Peter in terms of reaction speed if not a bit higher?
What do you guys think?

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

its a little weird but im not completely against it

 

[Luigi3645]

Awesome! I don't think it would be right to fully upgrade him to MH+ except his reaction speed so I won't make a case for it.
I'm thinking "Subsonic with Supersonic+ combat speed, up to Massively Hypersonic+ reaction speed (with senses)"
How does that sound?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Sounds good, imo.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

reaction speed almost always equals combat speed and theres no reason daredevil couldnt use his reactions in combat

 

[Luigi3645]

reaction speed almost always equals combat speed and theres no reason daredevil couldnt use his reactions in combat

Good point

 

[Luigi3645]

Sounds good, imo.

Thank you
Do you know who I should talk to about unlocking the page?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Thank you
Do you know who I should talk to about unlocking the page?

Nope.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

probably need more input first, idk though

 

[Luigi3645]

I'll have a see who to get to get approval.
Hopefully a few more people will give their input too in the meantime.

 

[Coolboy6]

This wasn’t applied before? What

Agree with this for sure

 

[Propellus]

Why weren't the Netflix crew affected by this when the MHS+ MCU CRT came through? Anyways, I agree

 

[Luigi3645]

Why weren't the Netflix crew affected by this when the MHS+ MCU CRT came through? Anyways, I agree

They definitely should be but it'd be quite an overhaul considering how many pages would need to be revised
If AoS is confirmed to be canon at any point then god knows how long that would take hahaha

 

[Luigi3645]

This wasn’t applied before? What

Agree with this for sure

Thank you
Evidently they didn't, but that's probably because they weren't outright confirmed to be canon until DD made his stay in NWH and Kingpin finally returned in Hawkeye (by the way do you reckon that would make Kingpin MH+ as well? He did keep up with DD in combat and matched him in speed)

 

[Coolboy6]

Thank you
Evidently they didn't, but that's probably because they weren't outright confirmed to be canon until DD made his stay in NWH and Kingpin finally returned in Hawkeye (by the way do you reckon that would make Kingpin MH+ as well? He did keep up with DD in combat and matched him in speed)

Pretty much so, yes

 

[Propellus]

I mean, Kingpin did keep up with Kate Bishop who's MHS+ and wasn't blitzed

 

[Propellus]

Anyways, since it wasn't even mentioned who'd scale from this onto the OP, I'll just write a list of who gets affected from this.

• Stick
• Elektra
• Punisher
• Bullseye
• Nobu
• Jessica Jones
• Iron Fist
• Luke Cage
• Bushmaster
• Kingpin

(Remind me if I'm missing anyone else)

 

[Panache_x]

Hello all
I noticed recently that Daredevil's speed is Supersonic+ which is consistent with the Netflix show, but I think he should have Massively Hypersonic+ reaction speed as well. The reason I bring this up is because in No Way Home he was able to easily catch a brick that flew through the window of the Parker's apartment and even seemed to have sensed it before it was thrown. Peter's spidey sense didn't even trigger before Matt was able to catch it and Peter was genuinely shocked how he had reflexes like that. So if that's the case, shouldn't he scale to Peter in terms of reaction speed if not a bit higher?
What do you guys think?

Agree with this
But I think it's just reactions due to his enhanced senses and Analytical Prediction which is made possible via sounds

What that scene would majorly solidify is his Senses and Predictions are superior to Sipdey's in Maybe terms of range
Cause he sensed it b4 Peter did

Except u have something that would make it scale his combat... I'm open to accept
Anyways MHS+ Reactions with Enhanced Senses

 

[KingTempest]

Looks good

 

[Luigi3645]

Agree with this
But I think it's just reactions due to his enhanced senses and Analytical Prediction which is made possible via sounds

What that scene would majorly solidify is his Senses and Predictions are superior to Sipdey's in Maybe terms of range
Cause he sensed it b4 Peter did

Except u have something that would make it scale his combat... I'm open to accept
Anyways MHS+ Reactions with Enhanced Senses

Thank you that summed it up perfectly
Although as noted by @It_is_i_wyatt DD's senses can be utilized for combat, which I do think would scale to his combat speed as well, like he demonstrated in the show, so I think it could be his overall speed and not just reaction. I'd be fine with just putting "up to MH+ (via senses)" since that would probably be the more accurate thing and that way we get a consistent scale!

 

[Luigi3645]

I mean, Kingpin did keep up with Kate Bishop who's MHS+ and wasn't blitzed

Very good point!
He also tanked her deadliest arrows all at once so maybe a durability amp would be needed as well? (Not sure what scale though)
More than likely he survived the shooting at the end of the episode too since I find it very unlikely they'd bring such an important and popular character back just for that episode then kill him off so unceremoniously.

 

[Luigi3645]

Anyways, since it wasn't even mentioned who'd scale from this onto the OP, I'll just write a list of who gets affected from this.

• Stick
• Elektra
• Punisher
• Nobu
• Jessica Jones
• Iron Fist
• Luke Cage
• Bushmaster
• Kingpin

(Remind me if I'm missing anyone else)

I think the only one you forgot was Billy Russo (Jigsaw)

 

[Panache_x]

Thank you that summed it up perfectly
Although as noted by @It_is_i_wyatt DD's senses can be utilized for combat, which I do think would scale to his combat speed as well, like he demonstrated in the show, so I think it could be his overall speed and not just reaction. I'd be fine with just putting "up to MH+ (via senses)" since that would probably be the more accurate thing and that way we get a consistent scale!

Ok...yes his senses can be utilised for combat
But I can't tag them together as him predicting before an attack gets to him and him Attacking
Obviously him reacting would be faster

Anyways characters that tagged him in combat would likely scale to his Reaction for their combat (MHS+ for those that tag him) and him keeping up with them again in combat would inturn scale to his combat speed
All good then

 

[Armorchompy]

Yall, the brick was thrown by a random civilian, surely you're not suggesting it was flying at MHS+ speeds?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Yeah scaling off of catching a brick is pretty weird
Plus Peter was already holding his hand up to catch the brick and the only reason Matt caught it was because he was closer to the window
Scaling them to MHS+ because Kingpin could keep up with Kate seems reasonable tho

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah scaling off of catching a brick is pretty weird
Plus Peter was already holding his hand up to catch the brick and the only reason Matt caught it was because he was closer to the window
Scaling them to MHS+ because Kingpin could keep up with Kate seems reasonable tho

Yeah scaling off of catching a brick is pretty weird
Plus Peter was already holding his hand up to catch the brick and the only reason Matt caught it was because he was closer to the window
Scaling them to MHS+ because Kingpin could keep up with Kate seems reasonable tho

This and yeah kate downscales and kingpin pretty casually handled her so that'd make the best sense

 

[Luigi3645]

Yall, the brick was thrown by a random civilian, surely you're not suggesting it was flying at MHS+ speeds?

It was more that he sensed and caught it before Peter did as Peter scales to MHS+
That guy must have had one hell of a throwing arm

 

[Luigi3645]

This and yeah kate downscales and kingpin pretty casually handled her so that'd make the best sense

Thank you for your input man I'm glad you agree

 

[Dalesean027]

Np tho @KLOL506 @Qawsedf234 and @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan should be notified so they can give their opinions if at all interest which I'd imagine they'd be for this

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Here's the clip btw since nobody seems to have posted it here


0:54

 

[Armorchompy]

is it me or does the thumbnail look like a ps3 cutscene lmao

 

[Luigi3645]

Np tho @KLOL506 @Qawsedf234 and @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan should be notified so they can give their opinions if at all interest which I'd imagine they'd be for this

Definitely will!
Now that you highlighted their names will that notify them? Or do I need to contact them directly?

 

[Armorchompy]

It would if he were staff. So, @KLOL506 @Qawsedf234 and @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

 

[KLOL506]

I think I'll remain neutral on this and let my other peeps decide alongside me. Kinda seems too early to tell if Matt scales to Peter without more feats to Matt's name.

@Emirp sumitpo @Dalesean027 @XSOULOFCINDERX @Dark-Carioca @AbaddonTheDisappointment

 

[Dalesean027]

I think I'll remain neutral on this and let my other peeps decide alongside me. Kinda seems too early to tell if Matt scales to Peter without more feats to Matt's name.

@Emirp sumitpo @Dalesean027 @XSOULOFCINDERX @Dark-Carioca @AbaddonTheDisappointment

I still think matt scaling from peter here is a bit weird and that a better way as @Aguywhodoesthings said would be to scale them from kate bishop who actually fought kingpin

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I still think matt scaling from peter here is a bit weird and that a better way as @Aguywhodoesthings said would be to scale them from kate bishop who actually fought kingpin

This was actually suggested by Propellus first

I mean, Kingpin did keep up with Kate Bishop who's MHS+ and wasn't blitzed

 

[Dalesean027]

What @Propellus said lol

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Yeah scaling off of catching a brick is pretty weird
Plus Peter was already holding his hand up to catch the brick and the only reason Matt caught it was because he was closer to the window
Scaling them to MHS+ because Kingpin could keep up with Kate seems reasonable tho

This is more reasonable imo

 

[Coolboy6]

He wasn’t suggesting that the brick is MHS, OP was saying that they both moved their arm at pretty much the same speed just to catch that brick. It just happened that Matt was closer to the window and Peter also moved his arm at the same time to catch it.

 

[Luigi3645]

He wasn’t suggesting that the brick is MHS, OP was saying that they both moved their arm at pretty much the same speed just to catch that brick. It just happened that Matt was closer to the window and Peter also moved his arm at the same time to catch it.

Exactly
That and I don't think Peter's spidey sense triggered before Matt's senses honed in on it so the senses would probably scale to Peter's spidey sense. I'll wait until we have some more feedback from the others but it seems @Propellus hit the nail on the head with Kingpin's fight with Kate, which is a way more reliable feat than the one I had in mind.