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Introduction
The Old Calc
The New Calc
Scaling for Espada
Conclusion
- Welcome back to Arc scrutinizes Bleach calcs, part 2. The purpose of this thread will be to discuss the current Gran Rey Cero calc, and compare its accuracy to a new calc I've made.
The Old Calc
- The current calc finds how much energy it would require to destroy with the surface area of Las Noches.
- My issue with this calc is that we can do better. As in we know the size, shape, and thickness of Las Noches. Meaning that we can calculate the destruction of the structure as opposed to an area of land equal in size to the surface area of said structure. For example, if someone demolishes a building with a blast, you wouldn't take the area of land the building sits on and calc the destruction of that size plot of land, you would calc the destruction of the building.
The New Calc
- This calc takes the volume of Las Noches's dome, using the accepted measurements for its dimensions, along with the accepted material of Las Noches to find the energy yeild of destroying the structure. However, this is an inherent lowball as each Espada has their own castle and their are numerous pillars scattered within Las Noches, which would mean the Gran Rey Cero would be busting more than just the dome; however, not every castle and pillar is shown and I'm not wasting my time pixel scaling every structure within LN.
Regarding the use of vaporization over pulverization, there's a couple points. First, Gran Rey Cero is regarded as the pinnacle of Ceros, to which we see that characters can vaporize with regular Ceros, Cero Oscuras, Grimmjow vaporizes the top of Luppi and again presumably the top of another Arrancar, Nel's Cero Doble burns Nnoitra, Renji's raw reiatsu vaporizes Ilfort's horn (practically every Espada upscales this Renji too), we see Starrk's Cero burn Shunsui's cloak from just grazing it, additionally CFYOW states Grimmjow burned away part of Luppi with his Cero. All of these supporting the fact that the "ultimate Cero" would likely vaporize as well. However, I'm not naive, I only think characters who scale above or have shown vaporization with lesser Ceros should scale to the vaporization value of GRC. For example, Espada 4 and up scaling since Ulq can vaporize with lesser Ceros, or Espada 6 and up scaling to the vaporization value since Grimmjow displayed vaporization with a regular Cero, or Espada 8 and up with the justification being that Szayel > Renji and Renji can vaporize with his raw reiatsu. That should be discussed in this thread.All that being said the fact vaporization is as arguable as it is more than justifies my low-end of pulverization. I don't think anyone will have an issue with pulverization as a low-end method either.- Espada ranked 4 and higher scale to the vaporization value in their released states, because Ulquiorra could vaporize with Cero Oscuras in his Resurreccion, and Gran Rey Cero is more potent than Cero Oscuras. All other Espada/Espada forms scale to the pulverization value. Additionally, the release of Espada ranked 4 and higher’s Resurreccion scale to the pulverization value for being able to destroy Las Noches, implied to be on the same level as Gran Rey Cero.
Scaling for Espada
- Overarching scaling (including this here so I don’t have to repeat it for each Espada)
- If an Espada has a lower number they scale above any Espada with a higher number, only in terms of attack potency (Espada 1’s power > Espada 2’s power). I’m going to link an IG post that is essentially a compilation of every statement regarding Espada rankings, because I’m too lazy to copy it over scan by scan.
- All Espada scale above the Fraccion and Privaron Espada in base. (We already do this)
- Espada ranked 4 and up scale to Gran Rey Cero with their Resurreccion due to Ulquiorra’s statement, and Espada 6 and up scale to Gran Rey Cero with their Resurreccion because Resurreccion Grimmjow could fight a Hollow Ichigo who no-sold Base Grimmjow’s Gran Rey Cero.
- If an Espada would scale above the Gran Rey Cero calc through other scaling or perhaps their released states scale above Gran Rey Cero, they obviously would scale to the higher value. Then their amplified attacks would simply be rated as “higher” than their current scaling.
- Yammy
- Tier: 6-C, 6-B with GRC | At least 6-B, 6-B+ with CO, 6-A with GRC | At least 6-B, High 6-B with CO, 6-A with GRC
- Keys: Base | Res | Angry Res
- Aaroniero
- Tier: 6-C, 6-B with GRC | 6-C, High 6-C with CO, 6-B with GRC
- Keys: Base | Res
- Szayel
- Tier: 6-C, 6-B with GRC | 6-C, High 6-C with CO, 6-B with GRC
- Keys: Base | Res
- Zommari
- Tier: 6-C, 6-B with GRC | 6-C, High 6-C with CO, 6-B with GRC
- Keys: Base | Res
- Grimmjow
- Tier: At least 6-C, 6-B with GRC | 6-B, 6-B+ with CO, higher with GRC and Desgarron
- Keys: Base | Res
- Nnoitra
- Tier: At least 6-C, 6-B with GRC | 6-B, 6-B+ with CO, higher with GRC
- Keys: Base | Res
- Ulquiorra
- Tier: 6-B, higher with GRC | 6-B, 6-B+ with CO, 6-A with GRC | At least 6-B, 6-B+ with CO, 6-A with GRC, higher with Lanza
- Keys: Base | Res
- Harribel
- Tier: At least 6-B, higher with GRC | At least 6-B, 6-B+ with CO, 6-A with GRC
- Keys: Base | Res
- Baraggan
- Tier: At least 6-B, higher with GRC | At least 6-B, 6-B+ with CO, 6-A with GRC
- Keys: Base | Res
- Starrk
- Tier: At least 6-B, higher with GRC | At least 6-B, 6-B+ with CO, 6-A with GRC
- Keys: Base | Res
- Consistency notes
- Res Ulq scales to ~70 teratons with CO via the scaling chain and his CO is calc’d to ~34 teratons, this shows that my GRC calc is uber consistent with our CO calc. Hollow Bankai Ichigo scales to Res Grimmjow, and shatters one Desgarron claw (there are ten total), meaning he also scales to a tenth of Desgarron, which is around Res Grimmjow’s physicals (aka the fight is consistent with the attack amp multipliers).
Conclusion
- All in all, we know the dimensions of LN, it should be no question that finding a method that calcs the destruction of said structure is better than a method that calcs the destruction of a plot of land = to the area LN occupies. I feel the meat of the discussion should be surrounding, whether we use the vaporization end and/or who that end applies to.
Destroying a massive castle the size of a country being only large island level never made intuitive sense anyhow.
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