Minor God Tier Sonic Villain revisions

[Eseseso]

1. Simple enough, Egg Wizard took attacks from Super Sonic and Burning Blaze without being temporally nuked, so he should get Acausality Type 4. Also, the statement on his profile of him being above Solaris just because Sonic said he'd need his full power doesn't make sense, since nothing says Sonic didn't go 100% against Solaris (heck, he needed 2 other Supers against Solaris but only 1 against Egg Wizard), so it should be removed.

2. The Time Eater took hits from 2 Super Sonics, it should get Acausality Type 4. Pretty sure it should get more types cuz it's a space-time monster beyond time itself, but I'm not sure which ones, if anyone knows which lemme know in the comments.

3. Here's the big one. First off, of course, THE END took a ton of attacks from Super Sonic without being temporally nuked, it should have Type 4 Acausality. Also, it was stated in the Japanese dub to manipulate the laws of the world all the way to the bottom of causality, so it should have Law Manipulation and Causality Manipulation.

Also,

Here, The End says it's attunement is ruling fate on everything in the universe (Japanese dub), so it should also have Fate Manipulation.

 

[BlastX]

Given that Rush Adventure Sonic>06 Sonic, it should mean the Super Sonic who fought the Egg Wizard should be stronger than the one who fought Solaris.

 

[JJSliderman]

Disagree with Time Eater, you get hit by it and don’t take damage.
Rest is fine

 

[BlastX]

Also given that the Time Eater flat out couldn't damage both Super Sonic's means that he doesn't get invulnerability negation, they only get that ability if they flat out hurt Super Sonic and causes damage, which the Time Eater doesn't.

 

[Eseseso]

Don't we give Solaris Invulnerability negation even though he's not shown doing anything besides knocking the Supers back?

 

[Theuser789]

Don't we give Solaris Invulnerability negation even though he's not shown doing anything besides knocking the Supers back?

Re-play the fight again. He does damage.

 

[Eseseso]

Re-play the fight again. He does damage.

You mean how he causes them to lose rings?

 

[JJSliderman]

Yeah, that’s damage

 

[Eseseso]

Yeah, that’s damage

Ok, nvm then.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Looks good

 

[JJSliderman]

Also I don’t think TE is accepted to scale to the Super Sonic with temporal nuking (aka Solaris tier and above) cuz of the varies rating.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Also I don’t think TE is accepted to scale to the Super Sonic with temporal nuking (aka Solaris tier and above) cuz of the varies rating.

Wdym by this? If you're talking the specific tier, Time Eater is 2-B/2-A, so that would in fact be Solaris tier

 

[JJSliderman]

Yes but there’s layers of 2-B to 2-A, and Solaris is I believe accepted to be above Time Eater.

 

[Eseseso]

Also I don’t think TE is accepted to scale to the Super Sonic with temporal nuking (aka Solaris tier and above) cuz of the varies rating.

If the Titans have it for taking Super Sonic's hits (aka temporal nukes), TE gets it too.

Simple as that.

 

[Omegabronic]

Also I don’t think TE is accepted to scale to the Super Sonic with temporal nuking (aka Solaris tier and above) cuz of the varies rating.

no it was an oversight, all the titans have it for this very reason

 

[JJSliderman]

But the Titans downscale The End who upscales Solaris.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Time Eater should be relative to Solaris

 

[Eseseso]

no it was an oversight, all the titans have it for this very reason

Yep, Shake flat-out said he simply forgot to add it.

Time Eater should be relative to Solaris

Which reminds me, since the Time Eater is a space-time monster beyond normal time, should he get any Acausality besides type 4?

 

[Omegabronic]

But the Titans downscale The End who upscales Solaris.

all of frontiers is super sonic at full power, so the end should have acausality type 4 just like the titans to survive the temporal nuke punches super forms have at this level

 

[JJSliderman]

I know, I’m referring to if Time Eater should scale. Obviously not every entity who fights a super form is accepted to be on the same level

 

[Omegabronic]

I know, I’m referring to if Time Eater should scale. Obviously not every entity who fights a super form is accepted to be on the same level

tbh, the super sonic who fought the time eater is several times stronger than the one who faced solaris, so he should scale by default

 

[JJSliderman]

Super Sonic isn’t really accepted to be like that atm, he has a varying tier. That’s why stuff like Nega Mother Wisp or Dark Gaia aren’t classed as 2-B or higher

 

[Omegabronic]

Super Sonic isn’t really accepted to be like that atm, he has a varying tier.

oh he very much is, sandboxes are being made to cover this more clearly, but it a very much accepted thing

That’s why stuff like Nega Mother Wisp or Dark Gaia aren’t classed as 2-B or higher

super does vary yes, but the individual outputs he can achieve are even higher depending on his base, that said, all will be covered soon enough, so no need to argue this here, i will be going to sleep, good night

 

[Theuser789]

JJ is right. Time Eater isn't stronger than Solaris because Super has a variable tier. Stronger base=Stronger Super only applies to full power.

 

[Eseseso]

Stop talking about scaling it's not relevant here.

Plus Time Eater destroyed all of space time, which is what Solaris was basically going to do, so they should be comparable.

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[BlastX]

Solaris only scaled aboved the Time Eater because had a better feat, nowadays their feat is the same so he has no reasons to scale to above the Time Eater, hell you can argue he is below.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

This seems fine, though I'll let the knowledge members discuss potential issues they have.

 

[Theglassman12]

Why would they get type 4 Acausality for taking hits from a super form?

 

[Eseseso]

Why would they get type 4 Acausality for taking hits from a super form?

From not being temporally nuked?

I dunno, but the Titans have it on their profiles so TE should have it as well.

 

[Omegabronic]

Why would they get type 4 Acausality for taking hits from a super form?

because super forms at full power hit individuals across all of their history

 

[Theglassman12]

Is this based off the range feat against Solaris? Because that doesn’t grant temporal nuking, let alone type 4 Acausality.

 

[Omegabronic]

Is this based off the range feat against Solaris? Because that doesn’t grant temporal nuking, let alone type 4 Acausality.

yes it does.....temporal nuking in literally how they beat solaris, and surviving a temporal nuke would only be possible with a form of acausality

 

[Theglassman12]

No it doesn’t, that’s literally a range feat like I explained in the other thread. And surviving a temporal nuke is not only possible with Acausality when resistances are a thing.

 

[Omegabronic]

No it doesn’t, that’s literally a range feat like I explained in the other thread.

and this disqualify that it is still a temporal nuke how?

And surviving a temporal nuke is not only possible with Acausality when resistances are a thing.

oh really? then what would you propose it to be then?

 

[Eseseso]

Look, that;s just what is on the profile for the Titans for surviving temporal nukes, so what the new power should be should likely be saved for another thread.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Look, that;s just what is on the profile for the Titans for surviving temporal nukes, so what the new power should be should likely be saved for another thread.

aling on titans, their conceptual manipulation has to be removed.

 

[JJSliderman]

If you hit someone across all of time, then logically they should be taking that damage eventually due to the fight progressing into the future. So it should be a temporal nuke.

 

[Omegabronic]

If you hit someone across all of time, then logically they should be taking that damage eventually due to the fight progressing into the future. So it should be a temporal nuke.

not only eventually but in every moment there is, there wouldn't be even 1 time spam where you wouldn't be getting hit, i really can't see anything other than acausality type 4 to prevent this

 

[Theglassman12]

@omegabronic because nothing on Sonic's page or any of the super forms remotely mention their innate ability is to erase someone across time with their own strikes.

Literally just a durability feat at best.

@Eseseso then that's just wrong then because we don't give acausality to people who can survive punches from characters who have the range to affect a being that's omnipresent across time.