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MHA: Laser Upgrades

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Wouldn’t that also scale to Dark Hero 100% Deku too
Exactly, since Faux 100% is just Deku replicating his normal 100% through Fa Jin.

Dark Hero 100% Deku has arguments to put him at SoL, but I'm also fine with keeping him at "far higher", whatever works.

I also realized that Complete Shigaraki, who already had Prime All Might-level speed with his base body alone, went from being blitzed by Deku's Gearshift to fully keeping up with him.

That means simply having access to all those Quirks increased his overall speed, even though we don't know which Quirks he was using to increase his reaction speed, and the same should apply to AFO.
 
Not only does it essentially mean nothing on its own, but he also lacks feats that would place him significantly above Weakened All Might-level characters.
- With around half of his feathers being given to Endeavor, he still had enough speed to evade a direct attack from Hood, who is superior to USJ Nomu (Weakened AM level)

- In a weakened state, he landed three hits on Weakened AFO, and when AFO returned to his prime (and got unquantifiably faster from 0.77c but so much quicker that he noted his body felt way lighter) he was still able to land hits on AFO

- Saved Tokoyami from Impure Beam, with Tokoyami formerly keeping pace with AFO but being unable to react to it in time

I’ve said before I think Hawks should get two separate keys, but I fail to see how none of this warrants any sort of increased rating

Personally, I’d separate it like:
FTL (Stated by All For One to be too fast. With only half of his feathers, he was able to evade an attack from Hood, who is superior to the USJ Nomu | At least Relativistic+ (Although slower before, he is capable of landing hits on Rewind All For One. Saved Tokoyami from Impure Beam
 
- In a weakened state, he landed three hits on Weakened AFO, and when AFO returned to his prime (and got unquantifiably faster from 0.77c but so much quicker that he noted his body felt way lighter) he was still able to land hits on AFO
Hawks only landed hits on him (which was like one) after he got younger by Tokoyami's Light of Baldur. Hawks himself was scared sh*tless of even approaching Prime AFO cuz of his quirk steal as I mentioned in my post.
 
- With around half of his feathers being given to Endeavor, he still had enough speed to evade a direct attack from Hood, who is superior to USJ Nomu (Weakened AM level)
Moving his head out of the way has nothing to do with the number of feathers on his back. The fact is that his combat and reaction speed were barely enough to dodge Hood's attack, so I don't know why you keep bringing this up.
- In a weakened state, he landed three hits on Weakened AFO, and when AFO returned to his prime (and got unquantifiably faster from 0.77c but so much quicker that he noted his body felt way lighter) he was still able to land hits on AFO
Okay, let's ignore the fact that hitting someone doesn't require you to be significantly faster than the person being hit, and focus on those hits that you keep mentioning so much.

Hawks' First Hit: Hawks hits a distracted All For One from behind. You don't need to be faster than someone to hit them by surprise, so this is a nothing burger.

Hawks' Second Hit: Once again, Hawks tries to hit All For One from behind, but AFO effortlessly blocks the attack, a scene that you keep ignoring to push the narrative that a weakened Hawks is immensely faster than AFO.

AFO's First Hit: Hawks admits that he cannot dodge AFO's attack from that range, so Jiro has to save him.

Hawks' Third Hit: Hawks once again attacks AFO from behind, taking advantage of the moment when AFO was attacking Tsukoyomi and Jiro.

At this point, it should be obvious that for Hawks, charging straight towards AFO would be suicide.

AFO's Second Hit: AFO states that Hawks' current state simply cannot cope with the volume of his attacks and dismisses him as an ordinary schlub.

Hawks' Fourth Hit: Hawks takes advantage of AFO losing control over his Quirks to land a hit on him. AFO states that his awareness has been delayed due to his Quirks rebelling.

AFO's Third Hit: AFO regains control over his Quirks and uses Rivet Stab in all directions, successfully stopping Hawks from killing him.

Hawks' Fifth Hit: Hawks hits a casual and monologuing AFO, who was carrying a hero and his clothes on his arms. AFO didn't even bother to dodge the attack and continued with his monologue.

Hawks' Sixth Hit: Hawks tries to cut AFO and puts himself in his way, only to crash into AFO's Forcefield and be sent flying back. This is probably the feat that you like the most and the one that makes you think Hawks is supremely faster than AFO, when you're forgetting the obvious: Hawks tried to attack AFO with his sword here and failed because AFO activated his Forcefield in time, and we don't know where Hawks was when AFO started charging.

Hawks' Seventh Hit: Hawks tries to attack AFO using a feint, only for AFO to casually respond with more monologuing while the sword was mere inches away from his face, using an attack that would have surely killed Hawks had he not be saved and carried away by Shishikura.
- Saved Tokoyami from Impure Beam, with Tokoyami formerly keeping pace with AFO but being unable to react to it in time
AFO's Final Hit: A younger AFO, after growing more powerful due to the darkness inside of him, easily hits Hawks from hundreds of meters away, with Hawks being unable to move himself or Tokoyami out of the way with his feathers. Even this AFO is slower than the one with the actual FTL feat that you are trying to scale Hawks from.

Hawks' Final Hit: Hawks stabs AFO in the chest. AFO does not bother to dodge or react, simply moving Hawks' sword out of his body.

Now that we have analyzed all of Hawks' feats against weakened AFO, Rewind "Prime" AFO, and Rewind Darkness-Amplified AFO, what exactly is so impressive about these feats that justifies scaling Hawks to FTL values? Nothing about this pictures Hawks in an impressive way against AFO, in fact, he was stopped and got hit multiple times.

In short, you're trying to scale Hawks to FTL using Relativistic+ feats, just because of vibes.
 
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I agree with Therefir on Hawks not scaling to AFO at all. Also, AFO's statement saying "Used to be too fast" doesn't need to be in comparison to him. Hawks is a speedster who's known for his agility and quickness, of course he'd be called that. That doesn't mean AFO is conceding that Hawks is too fast for him.
 
I agree with Therefir on Hawks not scaling to AFO at all. Also, AFO's statement saying "Used to be too fast" doesn't need to be in comparison to him. Hawks is a speedster who's known for his agility and quickness, of course he'd be called that. That doesn't mean AFO is conceding that Hawks is too fast for him.
Plus, AFO is simply using a title or alias that ordinary people used for Hawks, and he is using it to mock Hawks' current state.

And I really doubt that Hawks would have easily killed/blitzed AFO if he had arrived during AFO's battle against All Might at Kamino, even if he was faster than both.

But who knows, Hawks still shouldn't be scaling to feats from an AFO he never fought, and many different characters hit Rewind AFO with their attacks, not just Hawks. At that point, you might as well make everyone FTL.
 
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By contrast, Deku's Faux 100% during the Dark Hero Arc has far more direct feats and scaling to justify even a Speed of Light rating, as he was able to blitz a bullet that outpaced his 45% speed, yet I don't see anyone seriously arguing for that rating.
isn't Faux 100% Deku=Prime all might speed? That's the current scaling, right? He should get FTL
 
isn't Faux 100% Deku=Prime all might speed? That's the current scaling, right? He should get FTL
Not necessarily. Deku compared his Faux 100% to the All Might he used to watch while growing up, but we don't know if Deku is aware of Prime All Might's true speed.

The feat can scale to Prime AM, but not the other way around.

Plus, Final War Deku's 100% is only slightly more powerful than Prime AM, so it wouldn't make sense for a much weaker Deku to have speed on par with Prime AM while only having 6-B AP.

OFA increases both power and speed uniformly, and that's what we use to determine that Embers of OFA Deku on his last legs was weaker than a weakened All Might.
 
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Not necessarily. Deku compared his Faux 100% to the All Might he used to watch while growing up, but we don't know if Deku is aware of Prime All Might's true speed.

The feat can scale to Prime AM, but not the other way around.

Plus, Final War Deku's 100% is only slightly more powerful than Prime AM, so it wouldn't make sense for a much weaker Deku to have speed on par with Prime AM while only having 6-B AP.

OFA increases both power and speed uniformly, and that's what we use to determine that Embers of OFA Deku was weaker than a weakened All Might.
Understood, SOL 100% Dark hero deku is fine by me
 
Might be a dumb question but ain't he as a kid watch PAM on the computer?? Although I guess that argument gets skewed cuz of spectator + camera problems
Most characters didn't really notice All Might getting slower after his injury and over the years, so it's likely that he wasn't using his top speed during his everyday hero work.

There are barely any villains who would require All Might to go all-out.
 
Most characters didn't really notice All Might getting slower after his injury and over the years, so it's likely that he wasn't using his top speed during his everyday hero work.

There are barely any villains who would require All Might to go all-out.
Fair enough, pretty much everyone except like two people were fodder to that man so.
 
The knowledge of Prime All Might's specs can be very weird here, especially for Deku who should be distinctly aware of One For All's power as its user. What reasoning do we use regarding the validity of Best Jeanist's statements about Shigaraki, for example?
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Final War Deku's 100% is only slightly more powerful than Prime AM
Wasn't this referring to Embers Deku? Whose feats as far as I know is attributed to "Full Cowl Deku" and not 100% Deku.
If nobody minds me asking, and I apologize if this has been explained before, but why are we using a statement Deku is using to refer to his state using Embers as justification for Deku's 100% being stronger than Prime All Might's?
 
Wasn't this referring to Embers Deku?
That's incorrect. Izuku is saying One For All itself is a little stronger than what Prime All Might could do. Which is also the power inside of Tomura's body that caused his destruction/weakening when he transferred it. Izuku isn't saying the punch he's throwing is a little stronger than All Might. That's why we flashback to All Might telling Izuku an unprepared body cannot handle OFA.

"After just two years... it's a little stronger than what the eight could deliver. You're facing the combined power of all nine of us!" The power currently stored within OFA is a little stronger than what All Might had. AFO's body is falling apart due to that combined power, which Izuku just forcibly transferred into him.

Here is an alternate translation as well. Pretty clear, Izuku is talking about the absolute power of OFA that everyone has built up. Not his heavily weakened power, where he's so exhausted that that he needs everyone's help.
 
That's incorrect. Izuku is saying One For All itself is a little stronger than what Prime All Might could do. Which is also the power inside of Tomura's body that caused his destruction/weakening when he transferred it. Izuku isn't saying the punch he's throwing is a little stronger than All Might. That's why we flashback to All Might telling Izuku an unprepared body cannot handle OFA.

"After just two years... it's a little stronger than what the eight could deliver. You're facing the combined power of all nine of us!" The power currently stored within OFA is a little stronger than what All Might had. AFO's body is falling apart due to that combined power, which Izuku just forcibly transferred into him.

Here is an alternate translation as well. Pretty clear, Izuku is talking about the absolute power of OFA that everyone has built up. Not his heavily weakened power, where he's so exhausted that that he needs everyone's help.
Isn’t it also right after AFO says that he didn’t notice that OFA’s power was damaging him (don’t recall the exact wording)? If so, that makes it even clearer that it is referring to OFA’s full power rather than Ember Deku’s punch.
 
At this point, it should be obvious that for Hawks, charging straight towards AFO would be suicide.
To be fair this isn’t in reference to a battle of speed, it’s because Hawks is a glass cannon and AFO’s attacks have massive range (such as Air Cannon and Rivet Stab) so even though Hawks is quicker, he’d still lose in a head-on fight

Realistically:

Rewind AFO (1.68c) > Pre-PLF Hawks > Post-PLF Hawks > Weakened AFO (0.77c)
 
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I've made all the changes that I could.

Both of Izuku's profiles are locked.

Bakugo's Final War Arc profile is locked.

Mirko's profile is locked for some reason.

Someone will need to change them. Once someone else updates them, this thread can be closed. I bet Therefir can handle it when they have the time.
 
Wouldn't it be possible to upscale All for one (possessing shigaraki), Full Cowl Deku, Bakugo, Shoto, and Dark Might (cuz they scale to Deku) to Speed of Light due to AFO's performance while possessing Shigaraki (Dodging Flashfires, being too fast for heroes) with Deku surprising him or do they just upscale their rela+ more than someone like hawks?
 
Bakugo and Shoto are a tiny bit inferior to Weakened All Might, so that'd create circular scaling, which is bad.

Full Cowl Izuku from the movie is superior to them, but it's not a large amount. (Excluding their Plus Ultra moment at the end.)

Hawks has a vague upscale. He's comparable/inferior to Weakened AFO during the war, and an unknown amount higher at his full speed, who matches the speed of the High-Ends. Incomplete Shigaraki, since he scales to the High-Ends, might be a tiny bit higher than Weakened All Might, but it's clearly not by a noticeable amount.

AFO got hit by many attacks, although you could say he was just tanking them. Dodging Endeavor and Shoto's Flashfire Fist isn't an upscale moment, especially when both of them are also on their last legs. (They don't even do anything after that. Shoto just makes a small ramp for Bakugo.)

The current situation is fine. I don't think there's any reason to force anything more without new information.
 
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