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Metal Sonic vs Deku

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None of those are reasons for him to not make afterimages, other than the speed one, which just implies he makes them via speed, which means nothing since speed equal.

So either that afterimage moment was an outlier of an ability, or was made via a speed difference, which makes it not combat applicable for what you’re claiming either way
 
ElixirBlue said:
Actually, just found an example of After Images to dodge attacks.

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So now the example is showing that he can do afterimages, but they can be reacted to and don’t help his overall fighting style if speed is equal. So like I implied, it doesn’t matter if he has them or not, they don’t help in this fight since Deku is going to be predicting his movements. So the argument is moot.
 
I'm not feeling this topic anymore so we can just drop this and add the win to Deku's profile. I can't imagine Deku winning the long game but Axxtentacle took the wind out me and I don't have the energy to continue.

My bad, I shouldn't have engage in Shotgun debates in the first place.
 
Well it really depends if a long run is even possible, especially against Deku of all people where the odds are against him.

Also don't pull the shotgun argumentation fallacy card, you had plenty of time to debunk his arguments throughout this debate, which has lasted for hours.
 
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Anyways Metal speed amp still aplies here, I don't see why flying is an argument against it when he is doing it while flying in the movie, nor assuming the forcefields and blasts are weaker just because, when nothing points otherwise lol, it doesn't even make sense

Anyways Deku probably does win just because of his big AP advantage, if Metal amp was bigger than maybe, but nah
 
Theuser789 said:
Anyways Metal speed amp still applies here, I don't see why flying is an argument against it when he is doing it while flying in the movie, nor assuming the forcefields and blasts are weaker just because, when nothing points otherwise lol, it doesn't even make sense
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Well nothing afaik suggested that they scale to him up until the moment you said that his energy blasts can damage Sonic. The burden of proof was on you guys to prove that they scale in the first place, not Axx.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Pretty weird to assume his energy attacks would be vastly weaker than himself but whatever
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Well we also can't just automatically assume that they scale to himself, that sort of thing varies between verses. Even if they do scale it won't change much on terms of this fight given the power difference.
 
Theuser789 said:
Anyways Metal speed amp still aplies here, I don't see why flying is an argument against it when he is doing it while flying in the movie, nor assuming the forcefields and blasts are weaker just because, when nothing points otherwise lol, it doesn't even make sense
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He does a running technique while flying in the movie? Can you show this?

Also, unless they’re specifically shown to scale, you don’t assume they scale by default. But if the lasers scale, things look better for Metal, but overall Deku does seem to have the advantage still.
 
Theuser789 said:
Here, he is floating, this is again self-evident

Bro the laser scaling is self-evident in the actual goddamm movie, and we do assume if it comes from the character energy and not an outside weapon, this is just trying to overcomplicate simple stuff based on "what if", arguments from ignorance really
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This proof was literally not shown. I asked if the lasers scaled to his AP, I also asked if his forcefields scaled to his durability. I was ignored every time, so the assumption that they didn’t scale (not scaling can be higher OR lower) isn’t unreasonable. Also, do you mind showing where the lasers hurt sonic?
You have to go on “what ifs” when proof is literally never shown for what someone can do.

This clip literally doesn’t show him using Super Peel Out. It shows him flying, and keeping up with Sonic who is using Super Peel Out. Keeping up with someone who’s using a speed technique ≠ using the speed technique yourself.

Unless you can specifically show him using Super Peel Out in the air, or literally AT ALL here since this clip DOESN’T SHOW HIM USING IT, this point is moot.
 
Axxtentacle said:
This proof was literally not shown. I asked if the lasers scaled to his AP, I also asked if his forcefields scaled to his durability. I was ignored every time, so the assumption that they didn’t scale (not scaling can be higher OR lower) isn’t unreasonable. Also, do you mind showing where the lasers hurt sonic?
You have to go on “what ifs” when proof is literally never shown for what someone can do.

This clip literally doesn’t show him using Super Peel Out. It shows him flying, and keeping up with Sonic who is using Super Peel Out. Keeping up with someone who’s using a speed technique ≠ using the speed technique yourself.

Unless you can specifically show him using Super Peel Out in the air, or literally AT ALL here since this clip DOESN’T SHOW HIM USING IT, this point is moot.
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This is literally an entire post about an argument from pure ignorance, no offenses to be taken

One, if the lasers literally come from the character energy source, is an actual attack, and noone ever mention it being weaker, you are making a ridiculous assumption that comes from nowhere when you btw hasn't even proved why it is weaker, rest assured I will find it, I just can't find a clip of Metal actually using an energy blast

This second paragraph is the biggest example of saying things that you simply do not know anything about, that first clip is literally the version of the Super Peel Out by Metal, it it is even mirroed with Sonic's to make it even clear, you clearly do not know anything about the series to use such awful arguments

That is Metal using the ability, that's how he uses it in every media, Metal never touches the ground, you clearly do not know how the ability is used, making this very dishonest, and I hate saying people are being dishonest
 
I actually think that OVA Metal can't use energy attacks unlike his game self, I just can't find a clip of it, which rends the entire discussion moot
 
Theuser789 said:
This is literally an entire post about an argument from pure ignorance, no offenses to be taken
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That’s why I asked about Metal Sonic and his abilities, multiple times. I tried to get info from the people who were debating me and nobody gave me this info, and I can’t access YT on this device either.
Theuser789 said:
One, if the lasers literally come from the character energy source, is an actual attack, and noone ever mention it being weaker, you are making a ridiculous assumption that comes from nowhere when you btw hasn't even proved why it is weaker, rest assured I will find it, I just can't find a clip of Metal actually using an energy blast
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I said that they potentially scale to AP, not that they didn’t. I also have said that even if they did, Deku still has the better ranged moves.
Theuser789 said:
This second paragraph is the biggest example of saying things that you simply do not know anything about, that first clip is literally the version of the Super Peel Out by Metal, it it is even mirroed with Sonic's to make it even clear, you clearly do not know anything about the series to use such awful arguments
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So, it’s a pure assumption then? How do you KNOW it’s Super Peel Out if it isn’t shown to be the same? Super Peel Out consistently showed running with your legs making the infinity symbol, it just seems like a pure assumption to say that this was Super Peel Out.
Theuser789 said:
That is Metal using the ability, that's how he uses it in every media, Metal never touches the ground, you clearly do not know how the ability is used, making this very dishonest, and I hate saying people are being dishonest
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From the bits I have seen in other medias, the Super Peel Out ability is consistently used with that specific style of running. Can you show me where it’s stated that he uses the ability? From everything you’ve shown so far, it just seems like his jets have more force behind them.

Theuser789 said:
I actually think that OVA Metal can't use energy attacks unlike his game self, I just can't find a clip of it, which rends the entire discussion moot
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So his only in-character option is H2H? That’s not gonna go well.
 
Axxtentacle said:
That’s why I asked about Metal Sonic and his abilities, multiple times. I tried to get info from the people who were debating me and nobody gave me this info, and I can’t access YT on this device either.
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Yet you are arguing if you actually know his abilities and refusing info from actually knowedble people using your own limited info
Axxtentacle said:
I said that they potentially scale to AP, not that they didn’t. I also have said that even if they did, Deku still has the better ranged moves.
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No, you said they didn't just because, I came in the thread because of that dumb logic, however I don't think he even has it so meh
Axxtentacle said:
So, it’s a pure assumption then? How do you KNOW it’s Super Peel Out if it isn’t shown to be the same? Super Peel Out consistently showed running with your legs making the infinity symbol, it just seems like a pure assumption to say that this was Super Peel Out.
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See? This is what my first paragraph was talking about, you are saying shit out of your ass from things you clearly don't know, running with a infinity symbol (which is not always the peel out btw) is how Sonic uses the ability, Metal's (which is the Maximum Overdrive) does not work like that, it works exactly like the one in the clip I showed, please stop making assumptions
Axxtentacle said:
From the bits I have seen in other medias, the Super Peel Out ability is consistently used with that specific style of running. Can you show me where it’s stated that he uses the ability? From everything you’ve shown so far, it just seems like his jets have more force behind them.
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Literally the Game Metal profile talks about the Maximum Overdrive, you are technically right that it isn't a literal Super Peel Out, but the abilities are pretty much the same, just one is Sonic's and the other is Metal
Axxtentacle said:
So his only in-character option is H2H? That’s not gonna go well.
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I am pretty sure I already said Deku would likely win, OVA characters lack too much hax
 
ElixirBlue said:
First off, why?

Axxtentacle only arguement for Deku "Keeping up with Metal" is the Analytical Prediction​




He has yet to use anything else to say Deku can keep up with:

1. Goes 0 to 100 in Speed far faster than Deku because of the scaling to Sonic's Acceleration

2. Creates AfterImages

3. Has a Speed Amp technique he can use on the ground.

4. Can predict Deku's moves without thinking, while Deku needs to think about his opponent to predict them

5. And has better mobility in the air to fly, due to the nature of both of their abilites to fly, Deku needs to constantly be on the move to fly with Metal can choose to hover.

And Metal has feats of flying to a high altitude than Deku and still fly perfectly fine without exhaustion, lasted for an entire day.
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Acceleration means nothing when Deku can react to Metal's speed. Metal Sonic CANNOT actually predict movements instantaneously. Where is that stated? If he even tried to copy Deku's data or at least, use some of the moves, he'd be setting himself up for failure. LITERALLY, if he copies Deku's moves it would make Deku's job of predicting them easier because he'd know his own moves when he'd see them.

Flying makes little to no difference in this scenario when Deku is capable of reacting to Metal Sonic's speed and movements. He can also fly as well so it's not like he can't keep up with him.
 
Most of this can be disproven with the fact that he is actively asking for information on Metal Sonic and his abilities (specifically for "Super Peel Out") but hasn't gotten it properly already.

This fight is basically finished at this point, this current debate is just turning this into an unnecessary and heated argument so it is probably best for it to end. For God sakes both of you think Deku wins anyway.
 
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Theuser789 said:
Yet you are arguing if you actually know his abilities and refusing info from actually knowedble people using your own limited info
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I asked if you could show me where, I didn’t just refuse info. Yet again, my questions were ignored and I was just told that I “don’t know how the ability works”. That’s quite literally why i’m asking.
Theuser789 said:
No, you said they didn't just because, I came in the thread because of that dumb logic, however I don't think he even has it so meh
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No I didn’t. I said they could scale to his AP, not that they didn’t.
Theuser789 said:
See? This is what my first paragraph was talking about, you are saying shit out of your ass from things you clearly don't know, running with a infinity symbol (which is not always the peel out btw) is how Sonic uses the ability, Metal's (which is the Maximum Overdrive) does not work like that, it works exactly like the one in the clip I showed, please stop making assumptions
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I’m making assumptions based on what i’ve been given so far. I literally do not have any other way to do it. If I’m wrong, then correct me, i’m not against being corrected if it’s provable. Everybody here has literally JUST said that he copied super peel out, it would’ve been better to actually portray the ability correctly and say that he has his own version.
Theuser789 said:
Literally the Game Metal profile talks about the Maximum Overdrive, you are technically right that it isn't a literal Super Peel Out, but the abilities are pretty much the same, just one is Sonic's and the other is Metal
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If that’s the closest thing we have to judge off of, then sure. I’ll accept it for the sake of the argument.

I got info from reading the pages and asking questions to people about it. That’s the only way that I CAN even get info, so if the info just isn’t there to get and my questions aren’t answered, I literally do not have a choice but to go off of what i’ve been shown/told. There’s no info for a lot of things even said here on the profile.
 
You can’t just ignore my questions and then call me ignorant. That’s just straight up BS.

Most of the questions i’ve asked have either been

1. Ignored

2. Answered incorrectly or vaguely

Claiming an argument out of ignorance when I attempted to get correct info from THE PEOPLE DEBATING ME on their side of the topic really does just comes off as biased.
 
What are these points? I have been given the information nonstop in this thread, just becuase other people gave misinfo doesn't mean I haven't given you info, don't put me into the same group as people I didn't read, you just weren't willingly to trust me, acting as if I was making shit up about basic info

Anyways at least you stopped being stubborn and decided to trust my info, do you got any other questions so I can try to explain them correctly about this thread?
 
Theuser789 said:
What are these points? I have been given the information nonstop in this thread, just becuase other people gave misinfo doesn't mean I haven't given you info, don't put me into the same group as people I didn't read, you just weren't willingly to trust me, acting as if I was making shit up about basic info

Anyways at least you stopped being stubborn and decided to trust my info, do you got any other questions so I can try to explain them correctly about this thread?
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I wasn’t trying to just disprove what you were saying, I just wanted it confirmed as it was different from what people have told me up to this point.

Do metal sonic’s forcefields scale to his durability? I’ve asked that like 4 times and it was ignored. Additional question: how often does he use Forcefields in character? the like, 3 clips i’ve seen of the movie from this thread haven’t shown him using any forcefields.

If they are, Metal has a better chance, but likely still loses. I’m honestly just curious at this point.
 
Ok, it's fiine

They definitvely do scale to his durability, since he uses them to protect himself from attacks and all, at least as far as I known they should, they might just be an aura since it's not really used that much tbh. I don't think he uses them that much, the OVA is more like a old school DBZ fight really
 
Theuser789 said:
Ok, it's fiine

They definitvely do scale to his durability, since he uses them to protect himself from attacks and all, at least as far as I known they should, they might just be an aura since it's not really used that much tbh. I don't think he uses them that much, the OVA is more like a old school DBZ fight really
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Ah. Thank you.

This makes it look pretty good for Deku. I mean, he was already winning, we just need to wait for Grace to be over.
 
Ok it definitely has been 24 hours (was initially hard to tell since the clock thing on this forum is weird). This can be closed and added.
 
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