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Apologies for the poor collapse formatting, it's been a while since I've used wikia. There's a big disconnect within this verse when it comes to gameplay mechanics being used to determine many feats of characters that are not reflected in the various cutscenes and cinematics that are shown.
The truth is that most of the Snakes (and similar characters) are borderline superhuman (that's tier 9) on their complete own. Through equipment and augmentations of sorts their physicality is somewhat increased, and with their weaponries, gears and abilities they can manage to compete with foes much greater than themselves.
But for now, let's just examine and debate their current physicality of 8-B.
Big Boss:
- Durability: City Block level (Withstood an extended, torturous beatdown from Volgi).
Problems with this rating:
How would Volgin even know his body could generate 10 million volts? A little bit of research that I've found says we can only measure up to 200-300kVs, a far cry from the 10000kv that Volgin is claiming. This seems like an uneducated statement and he was either misinformed or was using it as intimidation, a bluff.
I'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to the science of electricity and how we rate that in our current systems, but I was under the impression that it's not the voltage that necessarily kills but the amount of current/amps being transfered?
Assuming this feat is accurate it seems like plot induced stupidity anyway. Mainly because there are no other grand 8-B durability feats that are featured in cutscenes for him to scale to anyway.
For now, I'd suggest a baseline 9-B scaling from his genetic clone surviving this, though being KO'd in the process. Doesn't look like a direct hit though, so it's just my eyeball estimate of the amount of energy he absorbed via how far he was launched into a steel wall. Keep in mind Ray is 8-A.
Feats against this rating:
Boss and other the other Snakes are all vulnerable to basic weaponry and even handguns can cause life-threatening injuries if the bullet is well-placed.
For Boss specifically, he gets shot in the face with a revolver and loses an eye, causing him to scream from pain. He also gets stung by a bunch of wasps. I'm sure I missed more obvious ones but I don't remember MGS3 too well.
- Attack Potency: City Block level (Defeated Volgi, whose body carries a charge of 10 million volts, and pushed up Cocoon), higher with weapons.
Problems with this rating:
I've already refuted Volgin's supposed 8-B durability.
His lifting strength and durability based on this calc should be thrown out since it is entirely gameplay mechanics. There is no way Snake is knocked out via the shockwave of Ray stomping if Boss is able to deadlift the Cocoon. This is also never shown in any cutscene or cinematic.
I think that covers a good amount of scaling for Boss. I hope we can find better feats. I'll move on to Solid Snake now.
Solid Snake:
- Durability: City Block level (Comparable to Big Boss, who can survive lightning strikes from Volgi, can withstand the force of his own P-Bombs and stronger weapons, and survived walking through a microwave chamber capable of vaporizing people in his old age).
Problems with this rating:
Already refuted Big Boss and Volgin.
This calc based on his P-Bomb's seem weird. I assume it's talking about Snake surviving the actual bomb itself being used against him. Again I would argue this is gameplay mechanics and not indicitive of the strength we see in various cutscenes. If he really were this strong, he would have no need to flee from the detonation of Outer Heaven, and certainly shouldn't be harmed by lesser weaponry such as handguns and the sort.
Snake withstanding the microwave chamber is clearly plot-induced stupidity. I do not believe you can be "durable" against microwave radiation. His eyes and bare skin not being affected as the water molecules within them are excited to the point where they should evaporate seems silly. Sure he may be strong enough to be unaffected by the heat, but shouldn't he be dehydrated of moisture as well? Presumably to the point of death.
Feats against this rating:
Snake is casually knocked out from the shockwave of Ray striking through the floor. His wrists are also casually split open by a simple slash from Vamp (who by the way should be consistently 8-A, I don't recall him getting stronger from MGS2 to 4). He's also threatened by AR's from armed soldiers.
His physical superior, Gray Fox, is rendered splattered and completely immobile by full force blows from Rex . Liquid even taunts Solid, asking him if he's going to just watch Gray Fox die, even furthering the narrative that Solid Snake really can't compete physically with Rex, despite Gray Fox doing so for an extended period of time.
He's also almost splattered by Rex here .
- Attack Potency: City Block level (Comparable to Big Boss, and is strong enough to trade blows with people who can damage him), Multi-City Block level with weapons (Can injure Vamp and take down Metal Gears).
Problems with this rating:
We've already refuted Big Boss.
Snake is not Multi-City Block level with every single weapon, maybe only some of the heavy weaponry such as his stinger and other explosives. This needs to be clarified.
Feats against this rating:
Similar weaponry can't even be used to harm Ray. The only weapon capable of damaging them is the Stinger missile, and through different cutscenes we're shown that it's only against selective weakpoints .
For now, I think that focusing on these two characters and finding better feats for them is the best course of action, because they serve as scaling for most of the super-soldier yet non-superpowered characters (which is a lot.)
Although I suggested 9-B as a good alternative, I'm unaware of any other feats that may place them higher or lower. Right now I'm just facilitating discussion.
The truth is that most of the Snakes (and similar characters) are borderline superhuman (that's tier 9) on their complete own. Through equipment and augmentations of sorts their physicality is somewhat increased, and with their weaponries, gears and abilities they can manage to compete with foes much greater than themselves.
But for now, let's just examine and debate their current physicality of 8-B.
Big Boss:
- Durability: City Block level (Withstood an extended, torturous beatdown from Volgi).
Problems with this rating:
How would Volgin even know his body could generate 10 million volts? A little bit of research that I've found says we can only measure up to 200-300kVs, a far cry from the 10000kv that Volgin is claiming. This seems like an uneducated statement and he was either misinformed or was using it as intimidation, a bluff.
I'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to the science of electricity and how we rate that in our current systems, but I was under the impression that it's not the voltage that necessarily kills but the amount of current/amps being transfered?
Assuming this feat is accurate it seems like plot induced stupidity anyway. Mainly because there are no other grand 8-B durability feats that are featured in cutscenes for him to scale to anyway.
For now, I'd suggest a baseline 9-B scaling from his genetic clone surviving this, though being KO'd in the process. Doesn't look like a direct hit though, so it's just my eyeball estimate of the amount of energy he absorbed via how far he was launched into a steel wall. Keep in mind Ray is 8-A.
Feats against this rating:
Boss and other the other Snakes are all vulnerable to basic weaponry and even handguns can cause life-threatening injuries if the bullet is well-placed.
For Boss specifically, he gets shot in the face with a revolver and loses an eye, causing him to scream from pain. He also gets stung by a bunch of wasps. I'm sure I missed more obvious ones but I don't remember MGS3 too well.
- Attack Potency: City Block level (Defeated Volgi, whose body carries a charge of 10 million volts, and pushed up Cocoon), higher with weapons.
Problems with this rating:
I've already refuted Volgin's supposed 8-B durability.
His lifting strength and durability based on this calc should be thrown out since it is entirely gameplay mechanics. There is no way Snake is knocked out via the shockwave of Ray stomping if Boss is able to deadlift the Cocoon. This is also never shown in any cutscene or cinematic.
I think that covers a good amount of scaling for Boss. I hope we can find better feats. I'll move on to Solid Snake now.
Solid Snake:
- Durability: City Block level (Comparable to Big Boss, who can survive lightning strikes from Volgi, can withstand the force of his own P-Bombs and stronger weapons, and survived walking through a microwave chamber capable of vaporizing people in his old age).
Problems with this rating:
Already refuted Big Boss and Volgin.
This calc based on his P-Bomb's seem weird. I assume it's talking about Snake surviving the actual bomb itself being used against him. Again I would argue this is gameplay mechanics and not indicitive of the strength we see in various cutscenes. If he really were this strong, he would have no need to flee from the detonation of Outer Heaven, and certainly shouldn't be harmed by lesser weaponry such as handguns and the sort.
Snake withstanding the microwave chamber is clearly plot-induced stupidity. I do not believe you can be "durable" against microwave radiation. His eyes and bare skin not being affected as the water molecules within them are excited to the point where they should evaporate seems silly. Sure he may be strong enough to be unaffected by the heat, but shouldn't he be dehydrated of moisture as well? Presumably to the point of death.
Feats against this rating:
Snake is casually knocked out from the shockwave of Ray striking through the floor. His wrists are also casually split open by a simple slash from Vamp (who by the way should be consistently 8-A, I don't recall him getting stronger from MGS2 to 4). He's also threatened by AR's from armed soldiers.
His physical superior, Gray Fox, is rendered splattered and completely immobile by full force blows from Rex . Liquid even taunts Solid, asking him if he's going to just watch Gray Fox die, even furthering the narrative that Solid Snake really can't compete physically with Rex, despite Gray Fox doing so for an extended period of time.
He's also almost splattered by Rex here .
- Attack Potency: City Block level (Comparable to Big Boss, and is strong enough to trade blows with people who can damage him), Multi-City Block level with weapons (Can injure Vamp and take down Metal Gears).
Problems with this rating:
We've already refuted Big Boss.
Snake is not Multi-City Block level with every single weapon, maybe only some of the heavy weaponry such as his stinger and other explosives. This needs to be clarified.
Feats against this rating:
Similar weaponry can't even be used to harm Ray. The only weapon capable of damaging them is the Stinger missile, and through different cutscenes we're shown that it's only against selective weakpoints .
For now, I think that focusing on these two characters and finding better feats for them is the best course of action, because they serve as scaling for most of the super-soldier yet non-superpowered characters (which is a lot.)
Although I suggested 9-B as a good alternative, I'm unaware of any other feats that may place them higher or lower. Right now I'm just facilitating discussion.