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^ FRA.Since Ichigo's Hollowification is restriced, he's not getting his great speed boost and 6-B nonsense.
Also, sure Ichigo is invisible visually and audibly, but Mega Man isn't idiotic nor is Ichigo intangible.
If he knows that invisible enemy is damaging him, he's going to know to bust out his AoE and danmaku-like abilities like Rain Flush (a literal acid rainstorm), Power Stone, Crystal Eye, Dive Missiles (homing missiles), etc. Not to mention that Mega Man's forcefields can prevent him from taking unnecessary damage.
Mega Man also has experience fighting opponents who utilized time stop (he literally predicted where Flash Man would appear after a time stop and destroyed him with a single hit), who buried underground (Drill Man), teleportation (Shadow Man, Wily Capsule) and invisibility (Wily Capsule). This isn't his first time fighting an unseen enemy who has the drop on him.
Mega Man shouldn't have a problem taking this.
From what I know of Megaman, I really doubt he's going to be spamming huge AoE danmaku moves which would indirectly kill countless random people, the battle takes place in Central Park since OP didn't specify, not even going to mention the fact that he doesn't even have danmaku on his profile.Also, sure Ichigo is invisible visually and audibly, but Mega Man isn't idiotic nor is Ichigo intangible.
If he knows that invisible enemy is damaging him, he's going to know to bust out his AoE and danmaku-like abilities like Rain Flush (a literal acid rainstorm), Power Stone, Crystal Eye, Dive Missiles (homing missiles), etc. Not to mention that Mega Man's forcefields can prevent him from taking unnecessary damage.
Time stop isn't at all like being unable to sense your opponent at all, he has zero idea where Ichigo is or what he's doing throughout the entire battle, the only thing he knows is that he does have an opponent.Mega Man also has experience fighting opponents who utilized time stop (he literally predicted where Flash Man would appear after a time stop and destroyed him with a single hit), who buried underground (Drill Man), teleportation (Shadow Man, Wily Capsule) and invisibility (Wily Capsule). This isn't his first time fighting an unseen enemy who has the drop on him.
Where in SBA does it say there are no people around?I'm pretty sure there are no people around due to SBA. That has to be specified as far as I remember, so Rock can totally just let loose.
Uh, no he does not.Megaman shitstomps
All right let's tackle this. This is gonna be lengthy:From what I know of Megaman, I really doubt he's going to be spamming huge AoE danmaku moves which would indirectly kill countless random people, the battle takes place in Central Park since OP didn't specify, not even going to mention the fact that he doesn't even have danmaku on his profile.
Time stop isn't at all like being unable to sense your opponent at all, he has zero idea where Ichigo is or what he's doing throughout the entire battle, the only thing he knows is that he does have an opponent.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean in regards to the Wily Capsule since it's never invisible iirc.
Ichigo just walks up to Megaman and cuts him in half, it's quite that simple, there's not a single thing he can or will do about it whilst in character.
Huh, that so? In that case, then they both suffer from this or, which is very likely, move the fight somewhere else more secluded and devoid of any civilians. They're both morally good characters so they're not going to allow their battle to kill others. Also, I'm just responding here so others can see it more clearly.Stsndard Battle Assumptions put the fight in Central Park.
Ichigo fights around people all the time, almost all his battles take place in a densely populated city.Okay that's fine. I'm certain Ichigo wouldn't want to fight in a public setting either due to civilians being in the way. Mega Man isn't some random Hollow who's also invisible. Mega Man is visible to everybody (obviously) and once Ichigo sees how destructive he can be, I'm sure at least he or Mega Man would want to move the fight elsewhere entirely anyway. They're both morally good characters so I don't see why they wouldn't do this to avoid casualties.
For me to even believe this will defeat Ichigo, Megaman would need to be constantly spamming AoE omnidirectional danmaku and pray to god that one of them connects, it just doesn't seem realistic to me.Secondly, why wouldn't Mega Man use AoE here? Ichigo is completely out of sight here and can't be detected. If Mega Man gets damaged by something he can't see, he knows something is there at that point. So since he can't track anything visually, he'll just use attacks that will increase the likelihood of him tagging Ichigo and damaging him. It's common sense. Common sense, logic and observation is something Mega Man regularly uses in combat as evidenced by how he discovers Robot Master weaknesses, finds weak points in Wily's machines and combats enemies who are built to be more powerful than himself. Besides, SBA means Mega Man knows he's in a fight. Also yes, Mega Man doesn't have danmaku in his abilities, but notice how I said "danmaku-like." There's a difference there. I say this because with the amount of AoE weapons that he has (just read the descriptions on Mega Man's profile of the examples I gave in the previous post and you'll see) and the fact that he's likely to use them a lot here due to Ichigo being an invisible enemy means it's gonna be very much like danmaku since Ichigo is going to be dealing with a lot of projectiles at once at that point.
It isn't though, not being able to tell where your opponent is at all, is far worse than dealing with someone that stops time in intervals. Ichigo is constantly invisible and unsensable (to Megaman), Ichigo could be a meter in front of him or 500 meters away and he'd have zero idea.Thirdly, I never said that specifically. I was just mentioning times when Mega Man fought and defeated opponents who had the drop on him and had stealth on their side. But on that note, why not? When time is stopped you feel... absolutely nothing at all. You don't even know what's happening in stopped time. Hell, Mega Man dealing with time stop is more impressive than what he's dealing with here honestly. The fact that Mega Man can defeat and outpredict someone with time stop is remarkable enough (did this three times against Flash Man during this key). Not to mention the other examples I gave of defeating enemies who utilized teleportation, invisibility and burrowing/overall stealth techniques. Also, Wily Castle is invisible here and here (Beat following Wily around is game mechanics). The fact the Capsule fades in and out like that and takes a bit to appear again indicates invisibility as opposed to instantaneous teleportation. This is consistent with later Wily Capsules (which are all pretty much the same in this regard) like in Mega Man 7 where it literally takes off a cloak that makes it invisible. Different application there, but it's still the same idea of invisibility.
I mean, it seems more plausible to me than Megaman spamming 360° huge AoE danmaku 24/7 in a very populated area where he's going to be killing hundreds or thousands of innocent people indirectly.So no, Ichigo isn't just going to walk up to him and it's not so simple.
Ichigo fights around people all the time, almost all his battles take place in a densely populated city.
He also doesn't need to use huge AoE attacks to defeat his opponent, Megaman on the other hand does.
For me to even believe this will defeat Ichigo, Megaman would need to be constantly spamming AoE omnidirectional danmaku and pray to god that one of them connects, it just doesn't seem realistic to me.
It isn't though, not being able to tell where your opponent is at all, is far worse than dealing with someone that stops time in intervals. Ichigo is constantly invisible and unsensable (to Megaman), Ichigo could be a meter in front of him or 500 meters away and he'd have zero idea.
I mean, it seems more plausible to me than Megaman spamming 360° huge AoE danmaku 24/7 in a very populated area where he's going to be killing hundreds or thousands of innocent people indirectly.
I don't see him doing this at all.
The time it takes for Megaman to do that is ample time for Ichigo to have already killed him, Ichigo can literally just walk right up to him and cut him in half or something, Megaman's only chance is to spam AoE danmaku right as it begins.All right then, fair point. But even so, if Ichigo isn't gonna move the battle elsewhere, then Mega Man will. It's totally in Mega Man's character to not kill people, you're right so why wouldn't he just simply take the battle elsewhere? Mega Man will just straight up leave and Ichigo has no choice but to follow. Once Mega Man finds a secluded area then the battle can go on without issue and without him being hindered.
Common sense for you =/= how Megaman would fight in character.Just want to say, I'm not saying Mega Man relies on AoE attacks in general. Mega Man uses whatever the situation calls for and is resourceful with his Special Weapons. If he's fighting an invisible enemy like Ichigo then he'll do these things. Again, it's still common sense to use tactics like I've explained and then some. Mega Man isn't just going to sit there and take that punishment without finding ways how to tag and hit his enemy. Also, if something does tag Ichigo, won't Mega Man see that? If Ichigo is on fire, frozen, electrocuted and dripping wet with water I'm sure Mega Man will see that and pinpoint Ichigo that way and attack him accordingly besides spamming AoE.
Has he ever fought and defeated someone that is constantly invisible and can't be sensed at all? Otherwise those comparisons are weak and faulty at best.Sure the abilities Mega Man went against may have been temporary or in intervals and not active all the time like Ichigo's invisibility, but consistency is important here. Mega Man has fought and defeated Flash Man and his time stop a couple of times and has gone against opponents who utilized invisibility, teleportation and stealth several times before over the course of his games in this one key alone. The fact Mega Man constantly fights opponents with these abilities and always succeeds gives him the experience and abilities to deal with it so he's not useless as you're implying. Also, I'm sure Ichigo won't be undetectable when Mega Man just gets hit with sword strikes or when he manages to set him on fire with a fire weapon or something.
Seriously why are you acting like Ichigo two shots or something? If the AP difference stated previously is any indication, Ichigo isn't nearly strong enough to just outright bisect him like that. Besides, with Mega Man's Flight and Teleportation, he has the mobility advantage and can get away much quicker. He can even put a forcefield up while he's escaping to protect himself. Not to mention he has Energy Tanks to completely heal himself.The time it takes for Megaman to do that is ample time for Ichigo to have already killed him, Ichigo can literally just walk right up to him and cut him in half or something, Megaman's only chance is to spam AoE danmaku right as it begins.
Common sense for you =/= how Megaman would fight in character.
He doesn't really have much of a choice but to take it, he can't really evade or block an attack he has no idea is coming and can't see.
Yes he should be able to see things like Ichigo being on fire etc, though, the fire can be put out.
Regardless, the hard part is actually hitting Ichigo with those things, it's extremely unlikely one of those tag Ichigo before he slices Megaman in two.
Has he ever fought and defeated someone that is constantly invisible and can't be sensed at all? Otherwise those comparisons are weak and faulty at best.
Megaman would feel the sword strikes but at that point it would be too late, if Megaman isn't able to block or evade the attack then chances are it'll be lethal.
Piercing weapons like swords ignore durability to an extent, if Mega Man isn't on guard and blocking (which he won't be because he has no idea he's being attacked) then it's definitely a lethal hit.Seriously why are you acting like Ichigo two shots or something? If the AP difference stated previously is any indication, Ichigo isn't nearly strong enough to just outright bisect him like that. Besides, with Mega Man's Flight and Teleportation, he has the mobility advantage and can get away much quicker. He can even put a forcefield up while he's escaping to protect himself. Not to mention he has Energy Tanks to completely heal himself.
I mean, given how you were arguing that he would just spam huge AoE danmaku earlier, I kinda have to take how you think he would fight with a grain of salt.I literally explained how Mega Man fights in character. It's not like I'm making these things up nor are the things I'm bringing up overly specific and extremely out of character for Mega Man. With his resourceful and analytical nature, why wouldn't he do this? If he's fighting an invisible enemy then why wouldn't he do something like use AoE attacks to increase the likelihood of getting a hit on Ichigo and tracking him? Besides, your claim of Mega Man just allowing himself to get hit and take damage without doing anything is a stark contrast itself to what he would actually do in combat. Hell, the same logic could be applied to everything we're saying about these characters and how they would fight since we obviously can't put ourselves in their shoes. Ichigo being invisible doesn't make him invincible nor is it an instant win. Mega Man still has chances here, obviously.
He's going to use an acid rainstorm right off the bat that kills all the surrounding people as well?Fire can be put out, but even more fire, being frozen, being paralyzed via electrocution, dripping wet from water and him sizzling from acid rain isn't going to help his position and Mega Man can still track him via means like this. Again, with a lot of AoE weapons and unpredictability from his large arsenal on his side, Mega Man is going to get hits here. There's no way Ichigo is going to evade an acid rainstorm right off the bat.
They're weak comparisons because they're not at all equatable, being constantly invisible and unsensable is far more deadly than someone who turns invisible for small parts of a battle...The comparisons are weak how? These are not isolated incidents nor did Mega Man just get stupidly lucky in winning these fights. If he's showing consistent victories against enemies who had advantages with stealth, teleportation, invisibility, time stop and other similar techniques, it shouldn't be ignored and should be taken into account. Even if the individual abilities themselves are not comparable to Ichigo's in terms of duration, the fact that this is consistent with the same results of Mega Man winning throughout several games is enough to say he at the very least stands a chance here and has the experience to deal with fights like this. Besides, I already said how time stop doesn't allow for victims to sense anything at all (since time is obviously stopped) yet Mega Man still predicted where his enemy was after time resumed and killed him. To deny all of this and still say Ichigo just outright wins due to his invisibility alone is just illogical.
isnt ichigo literally a soul/spirit? it should be intangible by defaultAlso, sure Ichigo is invisible visually and audibly, but Mega Man isn't idiotic nor is Ichigo intangible.
Well from what I see, it's not something on his profile. It says he can interact with intangible spirits and such, but I don't see intangibility for himself in his abilities section. And judging by the fact no one has seemed to argue this point so far, I assume Ichigo can still be damaged here, at least in the real world so Mega Man should be able to harm him.isnt ichigo literally a soul/spirit? it should be intangible by default
Why not? Isnt literally his Astral body that has shinigami?Ichigo himself isn't intangible no.
This thread explains whyWhy not? Isnt literally his Astral body that has shinigami?
gotta thank u, enjoyed reading that thread
The battle against Bright Man, Gyro Man and Charge ManAnd I'd also like to see something indicating it's in character for him to just spam AoE danmaku moves around him like you're suggesting.
Time Slow.Also, Ichigo can amp his speed whereas Mega Man can't iirc.
It can nullify a forcefield Mega Man can't even scratch.Also, how potent is this acid? Ichigo in the first 5 chapters of the manga has already been attacked with acid and been relatively fine after, so unless it's pretty potent, I can't see it ending him.
Player controlled Mega Man =/= Mega Man in character, afaik, the only way to determine how a video game character fights in character is through lore or things like cutscenes, not how you control them.The battle against Bright Man, Gyro Man and Charge Man
Mega Man being unable to scratch it doesn't really mean it's potent acid, acid by nature breaks things down and ignores durability to an extent, so it's not as simple as saying it's really potent because Mega Man couldn't punch through it or something.It can nullify a forcefield Mega Man can't even scratch.
Except that, in character, Mega Man uses the most effective weapon for every situation.Player controlled Mega Man =/= Mega Man in character, afaik, the only way to determine how a video game character fights in character is through lore or things like cutscenes, not how you control them.
I'm not seeing how that video proves your argumentExcept that, in character, Mega Man uses the most effective weapon for every situation.
In the video Mega Man is showing images of Dr.Wily's past defeats and during all of those past defeats Mega Man won using the weapons that would be the most effective against Dr.Wily's robots.I'm not seeing how that video proves your argument
Thanks, my knowledge of Mega Man is limited so I had no idea.In the video Mega Man is showing images of Dr.Wily's past defeats and during all of those past defeats Mega Man won using the weapons that would be the most effective against Dr.Wily's robots.