MegaMan.EXE

[Promestein]

This is a very simple thread.

Why are we still scaling MegaMan.EXE to Geo Stelar? He has consistent 2-C feats, and his only 4-B feat seems to be beating Geo Stelar when holding back, so why is it there at all?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Agreed. Seems like a very silly low end when it's the only time he's anywhere near that tier.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

EXE literally curbstomps Geo yes, I agree that he kinda should be Tier 2 in general. But I think the problem was people were concerned about making every single Net Navi including the underdogs 2-C. I'm fine with getting rid of his 4-B low end and just being 2-C outright. The strongest Navis such as Bass, Protoman, and Colonel should also scale, but I think people like Roll, Glide, and Gutsman should probably remain 4-B scaling from casual Megaman and/or Unknown.

 

[Promestein]

I dunno about that at all. I'd rather we look for other feats in MMBN than scale from a whatever fight that may or may not scale to anyone

 

[Migue79]

Yes...

We have plans of fixing up the MMBN profiles as well...

Anywho, we did this because this is EoS Geo fighting BoS EXE, who at the time is featless afaik, unless you count NetNavis controlling Cyber Cores (which are described as universes in one of the Guidebooks) as valid AP feats and not just hax.

There are also some rumors of Tier 3 Geo. But I got to featsearch the SF games for that.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Either this gets rid of 4-B EXE or Geo gets buffed to Tier 2. Either way works for me.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

In my opinion, Geo should be tier 2. He put up a fight, and while EXE was featless at the time, he got tier 2 next game, without any amps.

 

[Antvasima]

@Starter_Pack @Amelia_Lonelyheart

Are you willing to help Promestein out here?

 

[Migue79]

Also, this is the second Mega Man CRT we got and the first one hasn't even been concluded.

Figured I'd... Uh... Point that out...

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Eh. They may technically be from the same franchise, but they from absolutely different games and universes.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Battle Network and Starforce are the same continuity but different universe perhaps. Also, I'm really iffy about Geo being Tier 2 outright; EXE was implied to be holding back a great deal and none of the Starforce antagonists have Tier 2 feats to my knowledge. But I know it was mostly Reppuzan who worked on the Megaman profiles. But I agree on getting rid of the Tier 4 stuff from EXE's profile.

Edit: They were both stated to be holding back.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I think it was Geo who was holding back, not .EXE. Also, this doesn't matter, as Geo could damage him.

 

[Starter_Pack]

I honestly don't agree with this. Call me a black sheep or a rebel if you like, but the fact is. I've constantly thought the scaling was fine. As Migue79 said, this was a fight between EoS Geo and BoS EXE. All things considered, the scaling still works in my opinion, and is a good way to separate between the weaker Battle Network characters from the stronger ones later on. Though, if a feat is found that is for EXE, and EXE alone, without having to scale to Geo, that would work as well.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with Starter Pack.

 

[Migue79]

We could just isolate that 4-B rating to an entirely new key (that being MMBN 1 EXE or whatever we call it) alternatively.

Basically before he obtains his first 2-C feat which iirc comes in MMBN 2.

 

[Promestein]

I guess that's fine. I'd prefer both to be tiered on their own feats if possible, though.

 

[Migue79]

I can take a quick glance at a MMBN1 LP to see if there are any feats that may be more impressive than Geo scaling.

 

[Promestein]

Alright.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@TISSG7Redgrave @Newendigo @Mariogoods @Starter_Pack @KingEzran @DarkDragonMedeus @Dust_Collector @Tonygameman @Migue79 @Smashtwig @Psychomaster35 @LinkSlayerLvX @The_Element_Kirbies

Would you be willing to help Promestein here please?

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

We could just isolate that 4-B rating to an entirely new key (that being MMBN 1 EXE or whatever we call it) alternatively.

Basically before he obtains his first 2-C feat which iirc comes in MMBN 2.

Well, did he have any significant amps between 2 games?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Megaman.EXE appears to be much higher than Tier 4 consistently; nearly every end game boss is either Universal or Low Multiversal yes. But the crossover with Geo Stellar was a stomp in EXE's favor. So it's iffy for EXE to have a 4-B low end. But as Migue and Starter Pack said; it's a good back up for the weaker Net Navis in Battle Network. I do agree that maybe finding other feats for the underdogs to scale from might be a good idea.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Both were holding back by the way, they should scale to 2-C.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Megaman.EXE appears to be much higher than Tier 4 consistently; nearly every end game boss is either Universal or Low Multiversal yes. But the crossover with Geo Stellar was a stomp in EXE's favor. So it's iffy for EXE to have a 4-B low end. But as Migue and Starter Pack said; it's a good back up for the weaker Net Navis in Battle Network. I do agree that maybe finding other feats for the underdogs to scale from might be a good idea.

Actually, EXE wasn't holding back. Geo was, as to not cause a time paradox. EXE had no reason to hold back as he thought Geo kidnapped role. And at the end of the game, they fought Clock Man together, so I actually support the idea to make Geo himself tier 2.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It wasn’t both of them?

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

It wasn’t both of them?

What do you mean?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I thought both were holding back.

 

[Chaos Jester25]

I thought both were holding back.

It is not said anywhere in the cutscene that EXE was holding back. He was even slightly tired after the battle.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Ah, so Geo>EXE?

 

[Chaos Jester25]

Ah, so Geo>EXE?

That was Battle Network 1 EXE against post Starforce 3 Geo. EXE has gotten a lot stronger since the first game.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Geo should scale to base EXE. Full power EXE would beat him.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Well, there’s still his various forms, including Black Joker & Red Ace.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Well, there’s still his various forms, including Black Joker & Red Ace.

Well, EXE would probably be more powerful in general, but yeah.

 

[Chaos Jester25]

Well, there’s still his various forms, including Black Joker & Red Ace.

Megaman.EXE also has various forms that give him great boost in power like Hub form and Bug Style.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Megaman.EXE also has various forms that give him great boost in power like Hub form and Bug Style.

I’m aware, I’ve played his games.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Well, EXE would probably be more powerful in general, but yeah.

Ehhh, I personally think they’re equal, but Geo would win.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Ehhh, I personally think they’re equal, but Geo would win

Nah. Geo probably a bit upscales from baseline EXE via higher forms, but EXE nuked the whole Cyberworld, a multiverse (He'll probably be 2-B soon) and in Hub form, beat an enemy stronger than his base with a wave of his hand.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Nah. Geo probably a bit upscales from baseline EXE via higher forms, but EXE nuked the whole Cyberworld, a multiverse (He'll probably be 2-B soon) and in Hub form, beat an enemy stronger than his base with a wave of his hand.

Okay? Geo scales to his base, so he’ll be 2-B as well. And all that means is he oneshots baselines.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Okay? Geo scales to his base, so he’ll be 2-B as well. And all that means is he oneshots baselines.

Base is baseline 2-C

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This was end of series Geo against beginning of series EXE; also Starforce doesn't have any Universal let alone Tier 2 feats to my knowledge where as Battle Network has multiple. And EXE was heavily implied to be the strongest foe Geo ever fought with those details laid out alone. EXE on the other hand considered Geo to be a lot easier than the very first end game boss and really not much different than Roll or Gutsman.