MegaMan.EXE vs Pegasus Seiya

[Tivanenk]

I mean, Seiya has dealt with numerous intangibles before, so it's frankly possible that he might be able to destroy data (especially since those with Dunamis can warp reality).

But Overture Seiya wins due to Causality Manipulation.

 

[Reppuzan]

A non-factor in this fight, since the OP explicitly said the High 3-A versions of each character.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Causality manipulation doesn't matter.

Seiya will not be able to hurt EXE under *any* circumstances.

Anyway, does everyone agree this is mostly inconclusive, as TBH even if speed in unequalized Seiya cannot blitz since Hub isn't made of something conventionally hurt able even for Seiya, and it doesn't seem that Hub can put Seiya down

 

[Huesito88]

What's a non factor in this fight?

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Honestly this was a very interesting matchup Cal

 

[BruceTheBatman]

What's a non factor in this fight?

Causality manipulation since that manipulates circumstance, and under no circumstances can Seiya hurt EXE in any way, shape or form

 

[BruceTheBatman]

However, neither would EXE be able to kill him

 

[Tivanenk]

Causality manipulation doesn't manipulate circumstances, it manipulates cause and effect. You see, every action has a reaction, right? That's essentially what cause and effect is. So yes causality manipulation would matter.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Tivanenk

Nevertheless, it doesn't matter for this fight due to the specifications of the OP. So drop the matter.

 

[Tivanenk]

@Tivanenk
Nevertheless, it doesn't matter for this fight due to the specifications of the OP. So drop the matter.

It matters in round 2.

 

[Reppuzan]

Well, I stand corrected.

How far does Seiya's Causality Manipulation go? It isn't elaborated upon on his profile.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Again, It still wouldn't matter since no cause that Seiya could do would affect EXE.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

And I don't think he uses that ability in combat

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Well, I stand corrected.
How far does Seiya's Causality Manipulation go? It isn't elaborated upon on his profile.

It is capable of bypassing the space-time continuum itself inflicting causality onto him.

 

[Tivanenk]

Well, I stand corrected.
How far does Seiya's Causality Manipulation go? It isn't elaborated upon on his profile.

Should be about as good as Athena's who was able to counter an entire multiverse's causality which changed the entire history and purpose of a Gold Saint.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

... And that means... What exactly? He's not bypassing dura, this is the equivalent of me trying to punch the air

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Should be about as good as Athena's who was able to counter an entire multiverse's causality which changed the entire history and purpose of a Gold Saint.

Which manipulated history, not the physical composition of that Gold Saint. This is a very different case

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

... And that means... What exactly? He's not bypassing dura, this is the equivalent of me trying to punch the air

It means that Seiya can perfectly bypass the Cause and Effect of any of Mega's attacks.

It would be the equivalent of trying to punch the air for him.

 

[Tivanenk]

Should be about as good as Athena's who was able to counter an entire multiverse's causality which changed the entire history and purpose of a Gold Saint.

Which manipulated history, not the physical composition of that Gold Saint. This is a very different case

Even if we just based on feats, which would be lunacy, Seiya can simply break Megaman so that the latter didn't exist in the first place.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

@matt Then there is no way either can hurt the other

@tiv Mega can travel through time apparently since he met Geo Stelar who was born 200 years after MMBN, so it might be possible that he could do the same to Seiya

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Let's just get rid of round 2.

 

[Tivanenk]

@matt
Then there is no way either can hurt the other

@tiv Mega can travel through time apparently since he met Geo Stelar who was born 200 years after MMBN, so it might be possible that he could do the same to Seiya

And...?

 

[BruceTheBatman]

He could similarly prevent Seiya from being born.

How is that even a fight anyway?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Bruce. Acausality prevents that. But I'm getting rid of round 2 anyway

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Ah, fair point.

But anyway, my vote is inconclusive as Seiya can't harm EXE in any way and it doesn't seem that EXE can kill Seiya. but if the fight is to the KO then I see EXE winning since he can still destroy Seiya utterly until there is nothing to regen from, or seal him. Which would bring a decisive end to the fight

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Pretty good matchup. I haven't had a debate like this in a long time

 

[Tivanenk]

Has Megaman ever been damaged?

 

[Huesito88]

Since?

 

[Tivanenk]

Well, I'm hearing that Seiya cannot damage Megaman, so I'm asking for examples of when he was damaged.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Only by data based beings. A normal person would never be able to touch him much like with Geo Stelar, except with another data attack

 

[Reppuzan]

@Tivanenk

Only by other data beings. His Hub Form is virtually a god compared to the rest of his verse and he could beat them all just by waving his hand, so it doesn't have any durability feats. We mostly scale it to Bug Style, who disassembled the entirety of the Cyber World but was blown to pieces when he couldn't stop absorbing it. He gets better, of course, but Saint Seiya's atomization attacks don't work against something without atoms. However, Hub Form should be well above that at the very least.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Well, I'm hearing that Seiya cannot damage Megaman, so I'm asking for examples of when he was damaged.

He's been damaged plenty of times, but only by other Navis and Geo Stelar who are also made of data, and the latter of which is already intangible to virtually everything IRL be it energy or physical attacks, unless it is extremely dense EM radiation which weakens him like kryptonite, which Hub is not vulnerable to.

 

[Tivanenk]

It's just that intangibles never posed a problem in the Saint Seiya series to Seiya and there are all sorts of interdimensional attacks that could pose a problem.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

It's just that intangibles never posed a problem in the Saint Seiya series to Seiya and there are all sorts of interdimensional attacks that could pose a problem.

This isn't the kind of intangibility Seiya is used to

 

[Tivanenk]

It's just that intangibles never posed a problem in the Saint Seiya series to Seiya and there are all sorts of interdimensional attacks that could pose a problem.

This isn't the kind of intangibility Seiya is used to

Isn't data made out of electrical impulses anyways? Why can't he attack that?

 

[Reppuzan]

Hey, I only said he was immune to atomization. That's it.

Is the concept-busting feat I listed legit or...

 

[Tivanenk]

Hey, I only said he was immune to atomization. That's it.
Is the concept-busting feat I listed legit or...

Well, data does have a physical form so you can "atomize" the data instead. And it seems that the concept feat is not actually destroying the concept of human sin (or whatever it was), but rather destroying the physical body of that concept embodiment.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Which is different how? He destroyed a concept. It came back. It just proves he can't permanently destroy evil. He admits this himself somewhere along the lines of "I can destroy, but it will come back." After beating Dark MM.EXE

 

[BruceTheBatman]

His data doesn't have a tangible form and no Seiya cannot atomize him. And again, has Seiya ever touched a being made of Sentient a Electrical impulses? Not every form of intangibility is the same.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Tivanenk

How do you atomize something that doesn't have atoms?

Fair enough, but it was explicit referred to as something along the lines of "Humanity's dark souls, digitized and empowered."