Medaka's Durability Downgrade.and a Small Thing About Speed

[ALRF]

Yeah, lol.

So much for using a calc

 

[The_Causality]

Just a thing about Medaka stopping Ajimu, she seem used Medaka Phantom which is Light speed (she is always injured where she used this because of speed) and the Lightspeed Cap is already achieve at this point of History, i don't think the Sonic statemate is legit

But yeah the calc is invalid via a bunch of reasons

 

[FateAlbane]

I don't mean that Medaka's speed rating should go, Causality. They have enough statements for that. I'm just pretty sure Medaka didn't need those speeds when the story deliberately goes out of its way to tell you on that single occasion it was sonic and backs that up by every student seeing it when in other such instances of KP no one hardly even notices that something happened.

 

[Supawa]

i agree with fatealbane. they brought appropriate scans.

 

[The_Causality]

I don't mean that Medaka's speed rating should go, Causality. They have enough statements for that. I'm just pretty sure Medaka didn't need those speeds when the story deliberately goes out of its way to tell you on that single occasion it was sonic and backs that up by every student seeing it when in other such instances of KP no one hardly even notices that something happened.

Oh, OK friend, it just for informed things

Anyway, the Calc is pretty Bad via context and other things

 

[FateAlbane]

Anyways...

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Opposition: Unsurprisingly, Fire.

...But since he never brought anything to back up what he's saying, this opposition doesn't bring any actual points so far. Otherwise support is borderline unanimous including a discussion mod, two admins and an ex Content Mod. And Red whose opinion is superior to all others via being creator of SBA.

EDIT: Adding Velox.

Can we apply the downgrades now?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah,you can apply the dwongrades now.

 

[ALRF]

You absolutely can

11 hours passed since you made the thread and there was no opposition apart from Fire but who hadn't brought up a single evidence

If he has something against it, he can just make another thread for it

 

[The_Causality]

@ALRF

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	~ The Causality​

 

[DMB_1]

I agree with the OP.

 

[FateAlbane]

Alrighty, then I just need someone to unlock her profile so the "At least" from FTL speed and the Moon dura can be removed. That's it.

 

[Xantospoc]

I just remembered, though.

Didn't Medaka also say she spent time like MONTHS (Source: http://i.imgur.com/vfwvBL0.png ) Messing around? Could it be Hanten brought her back from these things?

http://i.imgur.com/t6eemKY.png

Mind you, I am merely playing Fire's laywer

 

[FateAlbane]

@Xantos Nah, Hanten's scan specifically says he went to save Medaka to and from the moon. These events delayed her return after that.

The second scan doesn't translate to anything since Boros is like Dominator of the Universe and yet doesn't translate to Universal threat. Same for Base Frieza who is Emperor of the Universe but wasn't Universal in DBZ.

Involved in a war between the concepts of Light and Dark doesn't neat anything either since it's literally that single quote there and we have no idea about what her involvement even was with that.

 

[Xantospoc]

@Xantos Nah, Hanten's scan specifically says he went to save Medaka to and from the moon. These events delayed her return after that.
The second scan doesn't translate to anything since Boros is like Conqueror of the Universe and yet doesn't translate to Universal threat.

Involved in a war between the concepts of Light and Dark doesn't neat anything either since it's literally that single quote there and we have no idea about what her involvement even was with that.

Oh I did not mean to use those to upgrade her LOL.

I meant that Hanten could have saved from any of those events and bring her back.

Glad I could get a debunk of all the stupidest counters. ^^

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

Before you apply downgrades. I suggest you wait for KamiYasha, Antvasima, and multiple other mods that contributed to Medaka's 5-C and FTL speeds in the first place.

 

[FateAlbane]

These ratings are from the same time she was tier 2 in her EOS key, however. She just wasn't ever revised based on what's presented in the OP here.

KamiYasha isn't even in the wiki anymore, but blocked.

And that would be kind of appeal to authority either way (though we have support from staff here as well).

But I can go and get Antvasima, sure.

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

Ok, Ant should be good. So just to make a clear up before I try to make a stance. You want the moon durability removed but not the AP correct?

 

[FateAlbane]

Yes, the AP stays.

FTL rating also stays, it's just the "At Least" before it that goes.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Fate

Why i called that headcanon is because "you don't know what he meant". You are just assuming he meant that, nothing else. And again defeat my points for:

Why medaka was bruised (if she had used hax that wouldn't be the case). If she had no problems using all fiction why didn't she use it to erase her bruises? (same applies for all her other hax, why encounter didn't stop mere bruises if she used it etc etc).

Why Medaka was alive if she was able to destroy the moon. She destroyed the moon so the feedback should have killed her via striking strength = durability. And yes Medaka did state that "she" destroyed the moon.

Your proof for hanten "save" meaning Medaka being in a near-death state instead of just stuck in space after destroying the moon where he came to get her back. The save can be interpreted either way, downgrades cannot happen based on what we think it means.

And your argument for the hax having been used in the first place (especially singe the girl you're talking about is Medaka who doesn't use hax).

And for All Fiction < Moon Level. Please do explain it's other feats like erasing colors from all of existence (which includes multiple universes mind you). (and yes that is canon, it's story is part of the Kumagawa Gaiden, which is the canon backstory of Kumagawa).

 

[ALRF]

All of existence?

 

[FateAlbane]

@Fire "You don't know what he meant"

I don't need to?

I'm pretty sure I'm just taking what the scans literally say and showing it. If Medaka could deal with the Moon Bust she wouldn't assume she would die to it along with Iihiko, nor would everyone else freak out and Hanten wouldn't need to go out of his way to save her.

You are the one making a random different and VERY convenient interpretation based on your preferences and claiming it as the truth. Ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Once again, I also don't need to bother with your points because burden of Proof is on you.

Also Erasing Colors doesn't translate to AP. What even are you saying? Should someone like Base Lavos be 2-A too, then since its power reaches across the space time of infinite timelines? Or Funny Valentine whole Infinite Universes deal suddenly makes him 2-A as well?

Why would Medaka DELIBERATELY choose to die when she previously had used those options for one or another life threatening situation such as her trying to use every skill on Iihiko?

Why would she not do her best when the whole humanity was at stake?

Your points make 0 logical sense.

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

All of existence?

There have been multiple mentions of other universes in MB. Thus why Fire mention all of existence. I cant recall but there is a few chapters where All Fiction is also capable of erasing all of existence too.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I agree with the downgrades.

 

[FateAlbane]

Why medaka was bruised (if she had used hax that wouldn't be the case). If she had no problems using all fiction why didn't she use it to erase her bruises? (same applies for all her other hax, why encounter didn't stop mere bruises if she used it etc etc).

Why Medaka was alive if she was able to destroy the moon. She destroyed the moon so the feedback should have killed her via striking strength = durability. And yes Medaka did state that "she" destroyed the moon.

Your proof for hanten "save" meaning Medaka being in a near-death state instead of just stuck in space after destroying the moon where he came to get her back. The save can be interpreted either way, downgrades cannot happen based on what we think it means.

We don't know how and where she got the bruises from because those are from whatever she happened to be fighting in her problem with Walgold, the king from the other universe. MONTHS after the moon deal that Hanten saved her from, mind you. How do you forget that?

Medaka was alive because Hanten saved her. Plain and simple. Stop ignoring scans.

The rest of your argument is either horrible actual headcanon or ignoring evidence for your convenience.

 

[ALRF]

@Mr.Common

Well i know of that, what i meant was it truly mentioned that AF erased colors from those other universes too? I just remember Kumagawa saying it was the world (which i'm inclined to believe is just the current world/universe he's in)

Well this won't really mean anything as hax =/= AP.

Even if she can erases bajillions of stuff through parallel worlds means nothing.

 

[The_Causality]

There have been multiple mentions of other universes in MB. Thus why Fire mention all of existence. I cant recall but there is a few chapters where All Fiction is also capable of erasing all of existence too.

Nope, Juste one iirc

again it's said "destroy the world" which can translated to Earth or Universe(s) via interpretation

choose the better

 

[Xantospoc]

Kumagaw used the expression 'Sekai', which is extremely ambiguous, as it's been used to address the world (civilization), planets, universes (Magi) and up tothe entire multiverse (Dragonball Super). We don't even know if Kumagawa KNOWS about other universes

 

[MagiSinbad]

Nope, Juste one iirc

again it's said "the world" which can translated to Earth or Universe(s) via interpretation

choose the better

Going by the last episode of the last episode of ss2 anime. It could be universe, since the range of AF reached outside of planetary

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that the first post seems to make sense.

 

[FateAlbane]

@Antvasima Thanks a lot for the input and your time.

So, Ant agrees as well. This should settle it as:

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Just need someone to unlock the profile now so the changes can be made.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I am unlocking it.

Do it.

 

[FateAlbane]

Done.

 

[FateAlbane]

Anyways, thanks for the attention, everyone. That will be it.

This can be closed.

 

[Antvasima]

Are any other character profiles affected by these statistics changes?

 

[FateAlbane]

Not really, no, since the people who might have been affected are generally at unknown due to the scaling shenanigans MB had at the final arc and EoS.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. What about Iihiko?

 

[FateAlbane]

Iihiko's highest is currently as Unknown due to him defeating Ajimu.

His actual durability is listed as Unknown too due to Irreversible destruction. He didn't have a Moon Level stats in Dura so he's cool too.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. What about his speed?

 

[FateAlbane]

Oh, that is a thing. Yeah, it should be FTL without the "At Least", too.

Just remove the At Least bit and he's fine.

 

[Antvasima]

I have done so.