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Medaka vs Zeno
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That's IF that happens. Will Medaka come back? It's a question of All Fiction vs Destruction at this point. All Fiction will just erase cause and effect and bring her back.DodoNova2 said:
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Erasure? Isn't it just strong hakkai?DMB 1 said:
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Again where is the proof that it's not hakkai? Just destroy all the physical matter withn a universe with hakkai. Also All Fiction is still WAY better than zeno's thingy, he doesn't destroy anything he makes cause and effect nothing, zeno will never truly hit Medaka, the reality where he hits Medaka will be erased.DMB 1 said:
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The problem lays with the speed of the erasure. All fiction can stop the erasure from happening the moment it starts.
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Again where is the proof that it's not hakkai? Just destroy all the physical matter withn a universe with hakkai. Also All Fiction is still WAY better than zeno's thingy, he doesn't destroy anything he makes cause and effect nothing, zeno will never truly hit Medaka, the reality where he hits Medaka will be erased.
If Zeno's erasure was 3D, it wouldn't have killed IZ..
If hakai and Zeno's erasure were equal, it wouldn't nerf the latter, it'd massively buff the former.
Anyway, with speed unequal it's a stomp for Zeno; if speed is equalized, it's a stomp for Medaka
If Zeno's erasure was 3D, it wouldn't have killed IZ..
If hakai and Zeno's erasure were equal, it wouldn't nerf the latter, it'd massively buff the former.
Anyway, with speed unequal it's a stomp for Zeno; if speed is equalized, it's a stomp for Medaka
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I'll make my points for unequal speed later.
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STRONG hakkai doe. Existence Erasue would be giving Zeno hax, and stuff was brough back from Zeno's erasure. With existence erasure zeno could have just erased IZ not destroyed the whole universe along with him. He charged up balls of Ki in his hands which leads to believe he "attacked something out of existence". It's not beating All Fiction which will erase both cause and effect getting Medaka back from the hit, why is she back you may ask? Cus she was never hit by zeno.OuterversalRaditz said:
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How is it a fact? Kumagawa can just erase the concept of zamasu from the world, he can be 1 with the multiverse for all he cares, he just erases his concept and zamasu is gone without any destruction needed. The fact that he destroyed the universe in the process proves it's just "destruction" not erasure. Medaka will easily come back from that.DMB 1 said:
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Uh no, he couldn't just erase IZ without erasing the universe because IZ became the universe. Sure, super high end Low 2-C and up hax exist capable of manipulating the universe to the point of like "writing" IZ out of it or making it impossible for him to take any actions but like... assuming that when erasure was shown and stated multiple times is the definition of head canon
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Hakkai is also called existence erasure even though it's not. Becoming the universe, he was becoming 1 with the universe, yeah still erase the concept of zamasu from existence, make it so that zamasu never existed, that's existence erasure, not destruction of the body and soul. Medaka be coming back easy peasy.OuterversalRaditz said:
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You can't use 3D causality Manipulation against someone who is one with all space and time, because he is one with the past, present, and future of the universe.
And existence erasure, the majority of the times in fiction destroys both body and soul, and haka isn't an exception.
And existence erasure, the majority of the times in fiction destroys both body and soul, and haka isn't an exception.
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Dude, hakai is explicitly shown and stated to be complete destruction of the body and soul.
That is, in fact, how I would define it if someone asked me to
That is, in fact, how I would define it if someone asked me to
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Yeah it is still an action All Fiction can erase.DMB 1 said:
Zeno: Cause (attacked Medaka) -----> Effect (she died)
Medaka: Cause (erased)------> Effect (erased) via all fiction auto activaton.
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Yeah ok. Erase ur body and soul. Erase the action and ur body and soul come back. *Medaka doeDodoNova2 said:
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Medaka pulls a 360 dab on Zeno with speed equal.
Zeno moves and erases Medaka from existence with speed unequal.
This is the textbook definition of a mismatch.
Zeno moves and erases Medaka from existence with speed unequal.
This is the textbook definition of a mismatch.
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Zeno Erasure isn't instantaneous. Zeno erasing happens when his hand closes and the erasure covers the being before destroying them. However lets get to actual facts.
1. Zeno erasing universe 2 and 6. When Zeno was erasing them. Both universes were capable of saying goodbyes and having dialogue with others around them. Even it was instant nobody will be able to get out a word. https://youtu.be/uB5Uvyp4SfE
2. Zeno erasing universe 10. The contest vanished before the supreme Kai and god of destruction https://youtu.be/QCjmC4n_RvE
3. Zeno erasing universe 4. We can hear God of destruction yelling during the erase. https://youtu.be/uxOCwDtqh2Y
4. Zeno erasing universe 3. They were capable of saying goodbyes duting the erasing.
There are tons of other examples of people able to do some sort of action during the erase. If an action or dialogue is capable of being made. A thought is capable of being made in regard to Medaka using All Fiction to stop the action either by erasing ki, erasing Zeno, erasing a limb.
1. Zeno erasing universe 2 and 6. When Zeno was erasing them. Both universes were capable of saying goodbyes and having dialogue with others around them. Even it was instant nobody will be able to get out a word. https://youtu.be/uB5Uvyp4SfE
2. Zeno erasing universe 10. The contest vanished before the supreme Kai and god of destruction https://youtu.be/QCjmC4n_RvE
3. Zeno erasing universe 4. We can hear God of destruction yelling during the erase. https://youtu.be/uxOCwDtqh2Y
4. Zeno erasing universe 3. They were capable of saying goodbyes duting the erasing.
There are tons of other examples of people able to do some sort of action during the erase. If an action or dialogue is capable of being made. A thought is capable of being made in regard to Medaka using All Fiction to stop the action either by erasing ki, erasing Zeno, erasing a limb.
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This is bloodlusted. Medaka will use All Fiction if it's in her best interest.DodoNova2 said:
Not only did @Mr. Common Sense debunk the speed thingy, but AF activates even after Medaka has already died. Zeno can be as fast as he wants, once automatic AF kicks in, the attack gets erased along (cause and effect are both erased).
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stomp zeno's favor
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Reason?Grimreaperofjustice said:
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Naw I was just kidding but if Im voting zeno fra
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The problem lays with erasure speed. People were capable of movement and having conversations during the erasure process. <----- This means there is enough time for Medaka to AF because all it takes is a thought.
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