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After discussing it with agnaa seems pretty fair to have it just.... even more supernatural luck.
It would answer all the cases.
It would answer all the cases.
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Ajimu herself portrays and describes it as such. If you want to get technical, then its similar to Joji's Beyond; Its technically Fate/Probability Manip that works so close to plot manip that its indistinguishable in any meaningful way, and thus should be described as Plot manip, as we have done in other cases like thisDontTalkDT said:To state my personal opinion on the Hero: While the idea of the trait is to represent the main character status there is no reliable evidence that it is passive plot manipulation.
In my opinion it is Supernatural Luck that simulates PIS. Nothing more. In particular, only because the idea alludes to meta-fictional ideas it isn't plot manipulation.
According to its inventor the Devil Style has only exactly one effect and that is to eliminate coincidence. And the Devil Style explicitly negates the "main character" power.
If The Hero can be nullified by nullifying all coincidence (Luck), then it must be probability based. And passive positive probability manipulation is supernatural luck. Ajimu even says that the hero is "just really lucky".
So while The Hero is clearly supposed to allude to main character tropes, that's not how it works in universe.
We've reached an agreement on DT's suggestion.Antvasima said:Only what Agnaa and DontTalkDT have accepted.
Yeah, the issue here isn't over Function, its over the mechanism behind it. I do think we should toss in Psuedo-Plot manip and Possibly Fate Manip, but even if we don't, its not like how this would be treated in VS threads would change. I'm ok with whatever happens so long as we get the description downFirephoenixearl said:snip
Sure go ahead.Iapitus The Impaler said:@Agnna @Earl
Do you guys wanna work on a description of "The Hero" together? I can start a draft which y'all can agree with or not.
With the new fixes, the descriptions look fineIapitus The Impaler said:Ok, I finished editing the comment above with descriptions for Medaka, Iihiko, and Zenkichi.
@everyone are y'all ok with these descriptions?