Mechikabura massive Downgrade

[Lavtop]

In this thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4008393

Mechikabura get upgraded to omnipresent and higher dimensional existence.
Using manga summaries without posting what happening in the manga, how hilarious.

the OP intentionally omitted what happened behind those summaries.


let's clarify

This is trunks, a normal 3D dude preparing to fight with the omnipresent and the higher dimensional mechikabura

He charged him with his normal sword and damaged him, proving he is not omnipresent and he has not any form of higher dimensional existence

xeno Pan Xeno goten can see and interact with mechikabura proving he is not omnipresent and he has not any form of higher dimensional existence

Vegito ssj4 can interact and damage final form mechikabura proving he is not omnipresent and he has not any form of higher dimensional existence

demigra can block his body with chain proving he is not omnipresent and he has not any form of higher dimensional existence

and the end, as you can see trunks sealing his 3D body in the labyrinth and the fight finished

everything back to normal


what is the context? Mechikabura was absorbing time, to empowering himself, he wasn't becoming time or fusing with anything he was just devouring time and empowering, the context is obvious and it is coherent with the fact that everyone can fight him, damage him, and sealing just his physical body and end all the problems.


Votes:

1. Removing both 4D existence and Omnipresence: Matthew, Eficiente, Ogbunabali, Maverick Zero X


2.Removing both nigh-O and Omnipresence and not the 4D existence: AKM sama, GyroNutz, The real cal howard, Antoniofer, Elizhaa, everything12, Ionliosite, Lord JJJ


3.Nigh-Omnipresent and 4D existence (proud Version): Zenkaibattery, Omegas03, Dragomer, KLOL506, Proudlearner, AwkguyDB, SSJryu1, Shubham

 

[Everything12]

I agree after reading the summary and even having someone else on the site doublecheck it, their seems to be no evidence that he was becoming one with Time and was just absorbing it, and as it seems the becoming one with the Demon World was also debunked on this wiki and should have been removed some time ago, I see no reason for Omnipresent or Higher Dimensional Existence.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I agree with the downgrade. This just goes to show what I've been saying about DBH being severely out of context.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Needless to say, I agree completely. After looking at the scans, I take back anything good I've said about Mechikabura's existence.

 

[Antoniofer]

I also agree with the downgrade.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Few Misconceptions here

1.Where's the rest of the manga summaries? If you had the rest then Mechikabura absorbing Time's entirety would be clear.




2. When did Omnipresence give a character invulnerability to attacks come on now and this is DB literally canon characters scale far higher than a Nigh Omnipresent being but anyways Trunks' Sword was specifically made to compete with Mechikabura's power and he himself is not able to destroy the Ki Sword.

3.ALL ATTACKS WERE INEFFECTIVE To use even Goten and Pan who are mere fodder to defend this point is ridiculous because only Xeno Vegito was the one to land a successful blow that was still rendered ineffective thanks to Limitless Regenerationn/Immortality. Also how would that not be a feat for Vegito rathet than a downgrade for Mechi?

4. Everything was back to normal because Toki Toki, you know the magical bird that literally craps time, ...........crapped more time. XD everything didn't just go back to normal because Mechi was sealed. Also with Mechi sealed also went the DDR. Everytime Powered-Up Mechi is sealed so is the DDR.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Also Demigra's chains are made of the same energy as Trunks' sword...

 

[Dragopentling]

Time manipulation/absorption =/= 4D existence (unless more proof otherwise).

Also, just because the attacks were ineffective at one point doesn't mean it didn't affect him at all due to some 4D invulnerability. This would be more so a case of AP difference.

 

[Akreious]

Time manipulation/absorption =/= 4D existence (unless more proof otherwise).
Also, just because the attacks were ineffective at one point doesn't mean it didn't affect him at all due to some 4D invulnerability. This would be more so a case of AP difference.

Absorbing time itself into your very being sounds 100% 4D existence, the heck do you mean?

 

[AwkguyDB]

Time manipulation/absorption =/= 4D existence (unless more proof otherwise).
Also, just because the attacks were ineffective at one point doesn't mean it didn't affect him at all due to some 4D invulnerability. This would be more so a case of AP difference.

 

[AwkguyDB]

HAVING ABSORBED TIME ITSELF HE IS CAPABLE OF LIMITLESS Regenerationn*

 

[Everything12]

Yes, and? Thats either Type 8, Abstract Existence Type 2, or just Regenerationn using the Time he's eaten to power his Regenerationn, thus making him Immortal and all attacks ineffective, not at all proof of Omnipresence or Higher Dimensional Existence, kinda the opposite as it shows the attacks do hit him its just he regens from any damage they deal.

 

[Dragopentling]

Time manipulation/absorption =/= 4D existence (unless more proof otherwise).Also, just because the attacks were ineffective at one point doesn't mean it didn't affect him at all due to some 4D invulnerability. This would be more so a case of AP difference.

Absorbing time itself into your very being sounds 100% 4D existence, the heck do you mean?

Absorbing time doesn't equate to transcending a 3D plane. it can be considered a form of HD manipulation, though, but not himself being 4D

 

[Everything12]

Considering he absorbs them into a Pocket Dimension stomach and doesn't actually become one with them, as he didn't become one with the Time Patrol he absorbed into the same Pocket Dimension, it doesn't seem to be HDE or Omnipresence, especially with Vegetto being able to him, even if the damage is ineffective because of his Regenerationn it still made contact and he still needed to Regenerate from the effects.

 

[Dragomer]

Litteraly everything that happen after he absorb time happen inside him and when he is sealed, all of time is gone with him, you even have the characters sad / desperate until Toki Toki power up and just recreat it.

 

[Everything12]

The first part is wrong as shown here and here, because it's very clear that Demigra's chains pulled them out of Mechikabura's Pocket Dimension and they are fighting outside of him, and yes a good chunk of Time is sealed away when he is sealed, because its still in his Pocket Dimension, that doesn't add any proof of him being Time or Omnipresent and Higher Dimensional.

 

[Dragomer]

The first part is wrong as shown here and here, because it's very clear that Demigra's chains pulled them out of Mechikabura's Pocket Dimension and they are fighting outside of him, and yes a good chunk of Time is sealed away when he is sealed, because its still in his Pocket Dimension, that doesn't add any proof of him being Time or Omnipresent and Higher Dimensional.

By 'everything that happen' i meant all the time thing, like all the 'events'.

Not a good chunk, it look more like all of it, otherwise they wouldn't care much (since Chronoa has repaired similar stuff before) and Mechi would have still been absorbing stuff instead of doing nothing.

Hell, the time nest needed to be restaured, we already saw that there is nothing without it when Demigra destroyed it.

 

[Lavtop]

Absorbing time is in no way comparable to be omnipresent and higher dimensional existence Using again manga summaries when the manga itself contradict you is useless

Now you are arguing that is a feat for vegito? So vegito is omnipresent and has an higher dimensional existence?

3 staff member arleady agreed, it should be enough.

You guys don't have remotely the idea of what mean being omnipresent or actually have an higher dimensional existences

 

[Gengar56]

Smh.....Imagine people like always You guys trying to find ways and excuses to downplay Db and Touhou characters no matter what they show you.

 

[Dragopentling]

I've never doubted Touhou feats, just for the record.

 

[Elizhaa]

Yes, and? Thats either Type 8, Abstract Existence Type 2, or just Regenerationn using the Time he's eaten to power his Regenerationn, thus making him Immortal and all attacks ineffective, not at all proof of Omnipresence or Higher Dimensional Existence, kinda the opposite as it shows the attacks do hit him its just he regens from any damage they deal.

Looks back on the points and reading the OP, I think this point makes. I would be fine would fine with the downgrade proposed.

 

[Dragopentling]

Just to note, we're not trying to question the potency of the Time absorption, just the assumed additional effects/abilities gained from said feat.

 

[Dragomer]

So absorbing the entier multivers doesn't make omnipresent anymore just because a character with a specific power designed to rescue the people you absorbed along the multivers can pull them out ? sound like another timeless void situation, if Mechi get downgraded, a lot of other 'omnipresent' characters are going to have to be downgraded too.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Dude, this isn't even a double standard. Hell, DB has shown what it'd be like if a character fused with something far less in Infinite Zamasu, and this was nothing like that.

 

[Everything12]

Absorbing the Multiverse never made you Omnipresent, it's absorbing and fusing with the Multiverse that makes you Omnipresent, as far as I see Mechikabura is just absorbing it into a Pocket Dimension inside himself to use to fuel his powers and Regenerationn, not become one with it like Zamasu was trying.

 

[Dragomer]

Dude, this isn't even a double standard. Hell, DB has shown what it'd be like if a character fused with something far less in Infinite Zamasu, and this was nothing like that.

Except the characters weren't seeing Zamasu from outside the timeline, before the characters are pulled out, it doesn't look all that different, and Mechi absorbed everything, he didn't fuse with it, he didn't become part of everything, everything became him and unlike Zamasu, he hadn't been destroyed before messing with time, that's even why the characters are initialy absorbed before being saved by Demigra who specificaly wished for that power.

And there is no mention of pocket dimension, Mechi is absorbing everything to himself.

 

[Everything12]

That's wrong, the others became part of him because he actively absorbed them by creating a black hole like thing in his hand that then proceeded to suck them in, and even then the Time Patrollers where still separate Existence that weren't part of him, they were more like food in his stomach, inside him but still separate entities, same with the Timelines that appeared his Pocket Dimension. And everything didn't become him, he simply ate Timelines and used them to fuel his powers and regenerate like we use food to fuel our actions.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Weren't they also still conscious?

 

[Everything12]

Yep, their mind and bodies were still separate after being absorbed into him, as shown by how the chains could easily just yank them out after it pierced the pocket dimension.

 

[Dominodalek]

In the game, the Demon Gods were also conscious after being absorbed into Mechikabura, and both they and the Time Patrol were able to fight each other without difficulty.

 

[Everything12]

It's like Majin Buu, when he absorbs people he might gain increased power and new abilities, but they are still separate entities wraped up in those cocoons in his body, with the only thing needed to free them is to wake them up and find a exit. Not at all Like when Zamasu became part of Space-Time when he fused with the Timeline and their was no difference between what was Zamasu and what was the Timeline.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah. Fusion=\=absorption.

 

[Kepekley23]

Trunks and Vegito were only capable of harming Mechikabura because they had a sword powered from the essence of Toki-Toki.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

And? That doesn't make the sword omnipresent.

 

[Everything12]

Trunks yes, Vegito no, it was just regular Ki and Physical attacks on his end.

 

[Kepekley23]

And? That doesn't make the sword omnipresent.

Since when being hit in your 'physical' state precluded you from being omnipresent outside it?

The sword does not need to be omnipresent to be capable of damaging Mechikabura's essence.

 

[Everything12]

He doesn't have any feats or statements of Omnipresence though, even his absorbing Time is just absorption to fuel his powers and not Fuison, and the Vegito thing is more to debunk Higher Dimensional Existence.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I agree with the downgrade.

 

[Kepekley23]

> Trunks yes, Vegito no, it was just regular Ki and Physical attacks on his end.

I. Mechikabura had been weakened by Trunks's sword.

II. And since when isbeing hit by Vegito an anti-feat anyway? Mechi's higher-D existence only extends to being 4-D. SSJ4 Goku, one of Vegito's components, can warp time on a multiversal scale just by transforming, let alone energy attacks.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

What Everything said. People assumed he's omnipresent and took leaps in logic. They just said "well he did this so he must be omnipresent" without any change in his state other than a power boost and good Regen.