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MCU Tier 6 Upgrades?

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I don't mind waiting tbh like it doesn't have to be the infinity saga characters that we push to this point imo they're fine where they are if there's no solid way that's consistent to scale them higher than they are and for the fact that we're already getting stronger versions of the characters in phase 4 who already have shown much better abilities and will inevitably show higher levels of power as we move forward namely with MoM(Wanda already got insanely more haxed out in Wandavision) and Love and Thunder.


There's seemingly going to be some if not plenty of hand to hand with sorcerers in MoM so that'll inevitably buff those who can damage strange going to blow with hand to hand and there's seemingly a potentially cosmic scale of magic going on and depending on how things play out we could see major upgrades so it shouldn't really be a rush for this higher scaling
 
Dalesean027 said:
I don't mind waiting tbh like it doesn't have to be the infinity saga characters that we push to this point imo they're fine where they are if there's no solid way that's consistent to scale them higher than they are and for the fact that we're already getting stronger versions of the characters in phase 4 who already have shown much better abilities and will inevitably show higher levels of power as we move forward namely with MoM(Wanda already got insanely more haxed out in Wandavision) and Love and Thunder.


There's seemingly going to be some if not plenty of hand to hand with sorcerers in MoM so that'll inevitably buff those who can damage strange going to blow with hand to hand and there's seemingly a potentially cosmic scale of magic going on and depending on how things play out we could see major upgrades so it shouldn't really be a rush for this higher scaling
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Multiverse of Madness will obviously give us a nice power boost, not only for Wanda but also for Strange, we shouldn't forget him, and hopefully we'll have a more definitive or at least a clearer tier
 
Kenshin_ said:
The star is obviously far more hotter then that.
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How? The color of the star implies the surface is under 6k Kelvin. The only way to get the feat to be good is to assume a young Neutron star with a hot temperature, something actively contradicted by the movie itself considering it was dead by the time Thor found it,
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Multiverse of Madness will obviously give us a nice power boost, not only for Wanda but also for Strange, we shouldn't forget him, and hopefully we'll have a more definitive or at least a clearer tier
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Oh for sure I'm not counting him out a single bit but also if strange is able to consistently block attacks from wanda if they do fight in this film and if she's not holding back there literally no way he's not 6-C with shields
 
Qawsedf234 said:
How? The color of the star implies the surface is under 6k Kelvin. The only way to get the feat to be good is to assume a young Neutron star with a hot temperature, something actively contradicted by the movie itself considering it was dead by the time Thor found it,
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Hmm, i did not know that.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
It was mostly agreed the Thena statement is either just possibly higher or possibly Low 6-B/Relativistic.

I'd say we should go with the latter
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A High 6-C upgrade for the snap definitely needs to happen tho.
It definitely scales above the nukes and abilisks storm.

Ahhh this is a mess ngl.
 
Aguywhodoesthings said:
Wasn't there an issue with the storm that Rocket wouldn't know the exact yield?
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I'll say again the rocket not knowing arguement one didn't finish and two was weird in and of itself the reasoning for the scaling being rejected was that a genius such as himself isn't a meteorologist and there for can't eyeball that the massive storm would obviously require a lot of power to be generated(not just that he wouldn't know the exact value)😐
 
Dalesean027 said:
I'll say again the rocket not knowing arguement one didn't finish and two was weird in and of itself the reasoning for the scaling being rejected was that a genius such as himself isn't a meteorologist and there for can't eyeball that the massive storm would obviously require a lot of power to be generated(not just that he wouldn't know the exact value)😐
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Makes sense, he should be able to tell it requires a lot of energy, still he wouldn't have a precise value for the storm
Perhaps a possibly High 6-C rating for Thanos?
 
And again here's the rocket arguement because I debated it with Newendigo


Newendigo said:
I'm not a big fan of storm feats scaling to physical stats at all, not only the implications for such a scaling are vague at best and need a good amount of evidence to support, but they are also unreliable to showcase a character's abilities compared to much straightfoward "Destroy this thing" feats.

I automatically dismiss them.
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Dalesean027 said:
True you're using your own reasoning but in the case of rocket's word just dismissing what he's saying and the context of the events that had occured,had to live through, and and with that revelation of them potentially finding Thanos it didn't really seem like he was being cocky or especially quippy to the amount he usually is.

Also it just takes too many levels of assumptions to think he'd be saying no other source of energy in the universe period has had as high of a energy signature when it could also just be him saying no one's ever seen anyone(be it an individual or collective) wield that much energy own their own


Also considering that rocket had no idea about people or events on asguard it's not safe to assume he's all knowing when things like the Dark Elves using the convergence to destroy or rip apart the nine realms or even Thor having to tell him about the destruction of his planet, both are fairly big surges of energy(not comparing them to snap for obvious reason) that rocket had no knowledge of hell he's even only ever seen a celestial in a showing from the collector(aside from ego if we're counting him) so there's plenty of large energy sources I'd doubt rocket has seen an individual wield though from what he has seen he still thinks there's been nothing like it
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Newendigo said:
He is just making a really general statement. "When Thanos snapped his fingers, earth became ground zero for a power surge of ridiculous cosmic proportions we've never seen anything like it."

It's by no means "Too many levels of assumptions" to say he is just saying that this was somethig else compared to the rest, specially when he uses the word "cosmic" which is always related to something universal in whatever measurement that fits the context. What is an assumption however is to say he can know the amount of energy produced by the storm of the Abilisk, or if he has any knowledge over atmospheric sciences, he is a weapons expert and a pilot, not a meteorologist.



Those are really specific, almost isolated events that he won't know obviously, while events like Supernovas hilariously happen more often just in our galaxy. Is not far fetched to assume that he would know such a natural event for a celestial object. He is again an alien that has a general knowledge of happens in the in the galaxy, not every specific thing, minor thing tho.

One of his weapons, the hadron collider can shatter moons, and he had the sovereing weird batteries destroy Ego's planet because he know how powerful they were, he obviously knows cosmic destroying crap.
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Dalesean027 said:
I didn't say he wouldn't know as I agree he would seeing as he's well travelled across the galaxy that much should be common sense
And that's exactly my point I've never downplayed his knowledge on such things just used some events as examples of other cosmic things he'd also have no knowledge of as a means to say he doesn't know everything and that there are some things that are just as up there in scale as say ego or his hadron collider that he has not seen as well but even then he can still make that call that Thanos's surge was something still above those experiences as well


Fair enough no problem here
True he's not though he also is not an idiot and can still make the judgement that a big raging storm that can be seen from space would require massive amounts of energy and that Thanos could still be above even that again as you've said we're talking about a guy who can make moonbusting weapons and devise a way to destroy Ego a celestial by attacking at his core.
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That was literally the end of that discussion with no more counters to my points so it's like it was just left without opinions and was unresolved
 
So snap will be a 110 gigatons of tnt event.
Base thanos and everyone else that scales to him scales to it.
But what scaling will full IG thanos and captain marvel get? Will they scale to the eternals?

In terms of Speed, thanos with the power stone ( = iron man (0:36) ) = captain marvel = thena = makkari therefore relativistic speed? Or?
 
Kenshin_ said:
So snap will be a 110 gigatons of tnt event.
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No, it's stuck to being a 5.836 gigaton event because Abilisk feat is currently considered unscaleable.

Kenshin_ said:
Base thanos and everyone else that scales to him scales to it.
But what scaling will full IG thanos and captain marvel get? Will they scale to the eternals?
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Nobody scales to Eternals. Not unless the old guard fights against them.

Kenshin_ said:
In terms of Speed, thanos with the power stone ( = iron man (0:36) ) = captain marvel = thena = makkari therefore relativistic speed? Or?
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No, Power Stone's Sub-Rel speed scales to absolutely no one. Eternals stick to their own speed feats while the rest of the MCU remain stuck at MHS+ via scaling to Spidey and Thor.
 
As for the nukes, that needs to be recalculated using the new curvature formula which will absolutely nerf the Nuke Yields.
 
KLOL506 said:
No, Power Stone's Sub-Rel speed scales to absolutely no one. Eternals stick to their own speed feats while the rest of the MCU remain stuck at MHS+ via scaling to Spidey and Thor.
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I was not talking about the sub-rel speed feat.
I was talking about captain marvel vs thena comparison statements.

This makes captain marvel scale to thena in speed at least, considering that the power stone one shot captain marvel before she can react, the power stone = relativistic speed.
Which iron man reacted to.
 
KLOL506 said:
Something something Universal Power Source
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Isn't that only for against scaling Abilisk to his own storm? The argument is scaling the Thanos snap above the Abilisk storm because Rocket witnessed both.


KLOL506 said:
Gotta wait for future installments. Much like how we're waiting for Shang-Chi to go up against the old guard heavy hitters.
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Future installments likely won't upgrade the current stuff. Shang Chi is likely gonna wait for years till an upgrade
 
KLOL506 said:
Nah, the Universal Power Source was kinda my reasoning, but I think we mostly disagreed for Qawsedf's reasons.
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Rip welp as I said before this likely isn't going to bear fruit so we might as well wait considering we've been getting better feats and ability showcases in phase 4 altogether and characters will likely jump up being much stronger than before.

MK spoiler(not mortal Kombat)
Literally got a blatant 4-A feat in Moonknight that the Egyptian gods scale to
 
Kenshin_ said:
So snap will be a 110 gigatons of tnt event.
Base thanos and everyone else that scales to him scales to it.
But what scaling will full IG thanos and captain marvel get? Will they scale to the eternals?

In terms of Speed, thanos with the power stone ( = iron man (0:36) ) = captain marvel = thena = makkari therefore relativistic speed? Or?
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You literally pulled this out of your own ass.

Nobody ever conceded into any of this, whatsoever.
 
Newendigo said:
You literally pulled this out of your own ass.

Nobody ever conceded into any of this, whatsoever.
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Huh??

My guy, Thena is comparable to ikaris
Ikaris is comparable to makkari.
Who did this

Captain marvel has statements of being comparable to thena.
Therefore, relativistic speed💀 wtf did i pull out of my ass here?


I mean i will assume your argument is that “saying a match is a close fight" would not warrent comparable speed. Which i dont get because how tf is fighting against someone who is 170 times faster then you considered a close match💀
 
Kenshin_ said:
Huh??

My guy, Thena is comparable to ikaris
Ikaris is comparable to makkari.
Who did this

Captain marvel has statements of being comparable to thena.
Therefore, relativistic speed💀 wtf did i pull out of my ass here?


I mean i will assume your argument is that “saying a match is a close fight" would not warrent comparable speed. Which i dont get because how tf is fighting against someone who is 170 times faster then you considered a close match💀
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What you pulled out of your ass is a consensus that nobody fully agreed about and decided to implement.

So snap will be a 110 gigatons of tnt event.
Base thanos and everyone else that scales to him scales to it.
But what scaling will full IG thanos and captain marvel get? Will they scale to the eternals?

In terms of Speed, thanos with the power stone ( = iron man (0:36) ) = captain marvel = thena = makkari therefore relativistic speed? Or?
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Like, who the hell even mentioned the Snap being 110 gigatons?
 
Kenshin_ said:
Can you please read the thread?
We are currently debating about the snap scaling to abilisks storm (which is 110 GT) via rockets statements. If you can make an argument against that, please do.
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Qawsedf already did. It's cherry picking at best, because by that logic it'd be fair game to scale the Snap above the most powerful explosions ever recorded in the Universe since he knows about those.
 
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