[MCU] Super Skrulls

[Marvel_Champion_07]

The mid-end of this calc was accepted and gives some upgrades to G'iah and Gravik

G'iah and Gravik fly to clouds

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Underwhelming? Yes, but it is what it is

 

[Dalesean027]

This works,, lots of 9-A in the MCU now. They could fight the Young Justice guys

 

[Cropfist]

Why are they not scaled to the DNA powers they copied

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Why are they not scaled to the DNA powers they copied

It was already discussed that it's better not to scale them that way

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

Why are they not scaled to the DNA powers they copied

Till we see Them fight on the level of the DNA they have.

 

[Dinobot1996]

Going by current feats, 9-A seems to be the safest bet. The closest thing indication the show itself gives on the Super Skrull potentially scaling to the original powers is Gravik's description, which is of questionable reliability without showings to back it up:

Spoiler: Gravik's description

Behind the scenes statements aren't much more clear on the matter, but here's a few I considered somewhat noteworthy, though probably still not direct enough to support higher scaling:

Director Ali Selim: "That’s best expressed in the moment when Gravik takes the vial from Nick Fury, puts it in the computer where it is analyzed, and we see all the pure superpowers ever. That’s like the moment where we’re like, “OK, this is going to be something.”"

Marvel website article: In Episode 6 of Marvel Studios’ Secret Invasion, Gravik gets exactly what he wants — all the Super Hero power he could ever imagine, including Captain Marvel’s abilities via the Harvest. Unfortunately for Gravik, G’iah gets them, too.

Ali Selim: (from the Assembled: The Making of Secret Invasion documentary on Disney+)

Spoiler: Selim statement

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

The closest thing indication the show itself gives on the Super Skrull potentially scaling to the original powers is Gravik's description, which is of questionable reliability without showings to back it up:

Gravik's description is talking about Super Skrulls as a collective group, so it isn't referring to a single individual vs the heroes of Earth. Also, most of the heroes on Earth at that point in time are Tier 9/8

Director Ali Selim: "That’s best expressed in the moment when Gravik takes the vial from Nick Fury, puts it in the computer where it is analyzed, and we see all the pure superpowers ever. That’s like the moment where we’re like, “OK, this is going to be something.”"

The statement is weird, since the computer showed the names of characters, not their superpowers. And having the same superpowers =/= having the same AP

Marvel website article: In Episode 6 of Marvel Studios’ Secret Invasion, Gravik gets exactly what he wants — all the Super Hero power he could ever imagine, including Captain Marvel’s abilities via the Harvest. Unfortunately for Gravik, G’iah gets them, too.

This one is kinda vague. Gravik did get Carol's abilities, but he also didn't show all of them. "all the Super Hero power he could ever imagine" also sounds like an exaggeration

Ali Selim: (from the Assembled: The Making of Secret Invasion documentary on Disney+)

The statement is kinda hyperbolic, and there's been way more powerful stuff than Captain Marvel.

Without explicit powerscaling between Gravik/G'iah and the characters they get their abilities from, I'm very hesitant of scaling them to each other just based on a few same P&A

Base Super Skrull Gravik took attacks from Binary G'iah, but is also sent flying by the Hulk arm + got cut and stabbed by Frost Beast ice, while his Korg arm took attacks from it

Thor one-shotted the Frost Beast and a Kronan marauder stronger than Korg, with the former being explicitly stated in storyboards to be no match for Thor

 

[RanaProGamer]

Would this upgrade Suppressed Captain Marvel?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Would this upgrade Suppressed Captain Marvel?

I don't think so. The Skrulls who attacked Gravik relied on team effort and catching him off-guard, but were quickly overpowered and killed when he used his powers

At absolute best, I can maybe see an "At most 9-A" upgrade

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Bump

 

[Dalesean027]

Bump

@ The other mcu staff

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

@ The other mcu staff

Aight

@Emirp sumitpo @LordGriffin1000 @Sir_Ovens @Starter_Pack @GyroNutz could you help give input here pls?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Fine with me.

 

[Dinobot1996]

On the note of Suppressed Captain Marvel, I do think it'd be better to get her own feats calced. I'm certain someone once stated a year or two ago that her hilltop feat got 9-A results, though no blog was posted for it.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Aight

@Emirp sumitpo @LordGriffin1000 @Sir_Ovens @Starter_Pack @GyroNutz could you help give input here pls?

Bumpo

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Aight

@Emirp sumitpo @LordGriffin1000 @Sir_Ovens @Starter_Pack @GyroNutz could you help give input here pls?

Bumpe

 

[Dalesean027]

I mean this is a simple change really and very uncontroversial so I think maybe Griffin's approval should be fine

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I mean this is a simple change really and very uncontroversial so I think maybe Griffin's approval should be fine

I'm just making sure, because I'm not sure if this counts as a minor CRT since it involves changes to several ratings rather than simple abilities additions

 

[Dalesean027]

Lets try this then @Lonkitt @Qawsedf234

 

[Qawsedf234]

Then being 9-A is fine, but universally upgrading everyone else to that seems super sketchy. They would just downscale to a higher 9-B if they are determined to scale at all.

 

[Dalesean027]

Then being 9-A is fine, but universally upgrading everyone else to that seems super sketchy. They would just downscale to a higher 9-B if they are determined to scale at all.

Wait I thought this only scaled to 2 chatacters? Did I miss something?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Did I miss something?

I thought someone above was arguing the gang of Skrulls should scale to the Super-Skrulls since they fought them as a group.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

universally upgrading everyone else to that seems super sketchy. They would just downscale to a higher 9-B if they are determined to scale at all.

I guess that makes sense. Especially now I'm realising that the calc is practically baseline 9-A. I guess normal Skrulls can be 9-B+

Wait I thought this only scaled to 2 chatacters? Did I miss something?

Normal Skrulls downscale from Gravik

I thought someone above was arguing the gang of Skrulls should scale to the Super-Skrulls since they fought them as a group.

It's a downscale since they also got stomped, but still somewhat harmed and restrained him

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I applied the changes, so this can be closed