MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[Sir_Marvulous]

I think it's pretty telling that the only concrete statement is in an artbook

 

[RoTt35]

I made a calc about the speed of the Bifrost

 

[RoTt35]

CRT for Odin

 

[Dinobot1996]

Even more stuff from the Multiverse of Madness artbook:

Spoiler: concept art

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Some concept art from the new Multiverse of Madness artbook has been circulating:

Spoiler: Concept art

The dumbest man alive, that's all i want to say lel

 

[RoTt35]

Gungnir's profile

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Gungnir's profile

Looks great!

 

[RoTt35]

Gungnir disintegrating Laufey would be Deconstruction or Heat Manipulation?

 

[Propellus]

Does it focus on deconstructing stuff?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Gungnir disintegrating Laufey would be Deconstruction or Heat Manipulation?

Not sure, but I think it's most likely Heat Manipulation. It seems more like a side effect of Gungnir's energy blast

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

It should be pretty self-explanatory, but Stormbreaker should have Fire Manipulation since it can generate blue fire

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

It should be pretty self-explanatory, but Stormbreaker should have Fire Manipulation since it can generate blue fire

nAh thAt's ObvIOUsly jUst An EnErgy AUrA

 

[Excellence616]

It should be pretty self-explanatory, but Stormbreaker should have Fire Manipulation since it can generate blue fire

Scans?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Scans?

Here, here, here

nAh thAt's ObvIOUsly jUst An EnErgy AUrA

Okay then. Aura it is

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I dunno where this dialogue comes from, but would this remove Teleportation from Thunderbolt since it suggests that Thor used it to fly/rocket into the sky to travel to the Altar of Eternity?

 

[RoTt35]

I dunno where this dialogue comes from, but would this remove Teleportation from Thunderbolt since it suggests that Thor used it to fly/rocket into the sky to travel to the Altar of Eternity?

If Thor arrived at the Altar of Eternity by flying and not teleporting, then Thunderbolt would have MFTL+ speed

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

If Thor arrived at the Altar of Eternity by flying and not teleporting, then Thunderbolt would have MFTL+ speed

Makes sense, though it would probably only apply to flight speed in space

Weirdly enough, Thor already has an MFTL+ rating via Thunderbolt

 

[RoTt35]

Btw, I found this statement about Surtur swinging his sword at Mach 40, it doesn't upgrade his current speed but it could be used in a calc without it being considered as calc stacking, maybe calculate the LS he uses to swing his mountain-sized sword at that speed, if anyone knows how to calc that

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Btw, I found this statement about Surtur swinging his sword at Mach 40, it doesn't upgrade his current speed but it could be used in a calc without it being considered as calc stacking, maybe calculate the LS he uses to swing his mountain-sized sword at that speed, if anyone knows how to calc that

Shame that the only who scales to it right now (afaik) is Odin

Most of Surtur's speed justifications are kinda shit anyway. His Restricted self was blitzed by Pre-Awakening Thor and couldn't land a single blow. His Revived self only "reacted" to Hulk/Hela's spikes after they were already punching/stabbed inside him

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I dunno where this dialogue comes from, but would this remove Teleportation from Thunderbolt since it suggests that Thor used it to fly/rocket into the sky to travel to the Altar of Eternity?

I don't think that's an official audio thing, it kinda sounds like one of those YouTube videos using AI voices to narrate/summarize events happening in a movie that the Channel is reviewing

 

[RoTt35]

Supposedly comes from the official audio description of the movie

 

[RoTt35]

Supposedly comes from the official audio description of the movie

Yeah, it comes from there, I just checked it out myself on Disney+

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So the distance is between Planet Earth and the center of the observable universe?
And the timeframe is several minutes possibly longer or shorter?

 

[RoTt35]

HDE for The Watcher

 

[Excellence616]

HDE for The Watcher

Pray it should get accepted

 

[RoTt35]

HDE for The Watcher

The CRT evolved to Low 1-C upgrades

 

[Coolboy6]

The MCU is slowly getting closer and closer in strength to their comic counterparts

 

[RoTt35]

After the CRT of The Watcher finishes I plan to make another one, to give a preview it will include High 6-A Peak Hela/Odin and High 6-B Scarlet Witch, I hope it will be accepted

 

[ArkhamDC06]

After the CRT of The Watcher finishes I plan to make another one, to give a preview it will include High 6-A Peak Hela/Odin and High 6-B Scarlet Witch, I hope it will be accepted

Nice

 

[Lacku]

After the CRT of The Watcher finishes I plan to make another one, to give a preview it will include High 6-A Peak Hela/Odin and High 6-B Scarlet Witch, I hope it will be accepted

Will we finally have Post-Awakening characters at a different tier from Pre-Awakening characters

 

[RoTt35]

Will we finally have Post-Awakening characters at a different tier from Pre-Awakening characters

Unfortunately this upgrade will not affect Post-Awakening characters, only Peak Hela during the Conquest, Odin and Endgame Scarlet Witch

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

The Avengers vs The Sword Saint

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

She-Hulk vs Valga Cromwell (ReZero)

 

[Excellence616]

Can The Watcher be upgraded to MFTL+ and Galactic LS by scaling above Celestials via this?

They (Infinity Ultron and Watcher, maybe Strange Supreme) should since they are more powerful

 

[RoTt35]

Here we go (it won't be accepted)

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Looks things start relatively good

However, I do believe Surtur should be enhanced as well, he was able to fight peak Odin in his prime

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

However, I do believe Surtur should be enhanced as well, he was able to fight peak Odin in his prime

Do we have any context as to how well Surtur did against Odin? The only thing I remember was that Thor thought that Odin killed him

I do think it's possible to upgrade Surtur, since Hela seemed to have a higher regard of the Eternal Flame than the Tesseract and Casket of Ancient Winters

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Do we have any context as to how well Surtur did against Odin? The only thing I remember was that Thor thought that Odin killed him

I do think it's possible to upgrade Surtur, since Hela seemed to have a higher regard of the Eternal Flame than the Tesseract and Casket of Ancient Winters

I mean, considering how powerful Odin was supposed to be in his prime, nothing indicates it's one-sided, Hela reacted with utter fear when he appeared (yes, there's the whole "she's not at full power" stuff but the reaction alone is enough to show that Surtur actually terrified her and nothing says this is just because she wasn't at her peak) and simply the fact that Surtur could fight prime Odin at all, it's reasonable to think he was at least capable of giving Odin a good challenge before being defeated

Btw, since it's literally said Odin killed him, shouldn't he have some form of immortality?

 

[RoTt35]

All we know is that Odin defeated Surtur, leaving him injured and depowered for thousands of years, so he shouldn't scale from Odin at all imo. In the other hand, Hela is stated to have been the most powerful warrior and weapon in all Nine Realms at one point, and Odin considered her power to be limitless despite having fought Surtur. And more importantly, trying to scale Surtur to Odin or Peak Hela would invalidate the upgrade since they will be above the explosion that killed him

 

[Dinobot1996]

It's evidently not entirely consistent internally what Surtur's final height was meant to be, between the 4000 meters statement we currently use, and the 30,000 feet (9144 meters) statement from VFX supervisor Jake Morrison.