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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

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Thread 'Yggdrasil is universal in size'

So ive seen people say that Yggdrasil isn't universal in size so i thougt to prove it wrong.

In The Art of Thor: The Dark World we see in one of the pictures how yggdrasil looks and it clearly depicts that each branch contains galaxies.

Also in Realms, robots & rainbow bridges: crafting Thor Wesley Sewell describes Yggdrasil as being the entire universe in the form of a magnificent tree:
In the end title sequence, we travel from Earth through a wormhole, past a black hole event horizon, on through a fractal increase in scale, until we behold the...
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As a note, I finally got a clip of Talos casually breaking chains with one hand from Secret Invasion. If this feat gets calculated and ends up with decent enough results, it could potentially upgrade the LS ratings of peak human characters, as Skulls are only supposed to be 15 percent stronger than humans according to the statements I brought up in the second section of my ongoing CRT.
 
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Literally the only thing I want from red hulk out of this movie is for him to damage vibranium in any way
 
Watched some scenes from Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man with Strange. Pretty short but he has some nice showings, particulary in hax. I don't know if someone is planning on making profiles for the series but if so, I think I'm interested in making Strange's
 
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Red hulk stocks are going down looks like he can’t damage vibranium
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Look at the color of the wings. It has the kinetic feature like the Black Panther suit, which is good for tanking physical attacks.

Barring concept art (Thanos punching through Cap's vibranium shield in the Endgame Art Book), no non-cosmic entity has actually broke apart pure Vibranium with their bare hands. Of course, Thanos ripping out Vision's doesn't count since it's vibranium + synthetic material, and Hulk punching a wall inside of the "cage" which is vibranium-alloy (alloy is a mixture of metals.)

So this isn't bad for him at all.
 
Naeem0304 said:
Barring concept art (Thanos punching through Cap's vibranium shield in the Endgame Art Book), no non-cosmic entity has actually broke apart pure Vibranium with their bare hands. Of course, Thanos ripping out Vision's doesn't count since it's vibranium + synthetic material, and Hulk punching a wall inside of the "cage" which is vibranium-alloy (alloy is a mixture of metals.)
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namor was literally punching jabari wood which is equal to vibranium

Also this is bad the entire plot of the film is how vibranium is fodder now why adamantium is new material so it would’ve made sense if he at least damaged vibranium
 
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darkphantom9805 said:
namor was literally punching jabari wood which is equal to vibranium

Also this is bad the entire plot of the film is how vibranium is fodder now why adamantium is new material so it would’ve made sense if he at least damaged vibranium
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I don't think the plot is outright about vibranium being bad now, it would still be very tough and powerful. But adamantium is simply stronger on account on, you know, being taken from the corpse of a literal cosmic god.

That, plus the political aspect. The whole deal with vibranium, beyond being incredibly durable and strong, is that it can only be found and produced in Wakanda (and Talokanil but the surface world doesn't know about it) and Wakanda is the only country in the world to beneficiate from it. BP 2 was about foreign countries trying their best to either force Wakanda to share their ressources or outright trying to steal it, the USA in particular being very salty at the idea that another, smaller country most of the world saw as the equivalent of a backwater town was actually stronger than them and they weren't the top power of the world. It was a big deal that only Wakanda had full access to it. But now, there's something far stronger, far more durable than vibranium and because it's in the ocean and not in a country, it's essentially available for just about anyone fast enough to exploit it. Not to mention the "supply" is pretty limited (granted, we're talking about a kilometers-sized corpse and we clearly see in the trailer that Tiamut is far from looking like it's been fully mined off) and it's not like Earth could get their hands on a Celestial corpse in the not-so-distant future nor easily. Something like this is bound to cause political turmoil and shift the balance of power. I don't know if the movie will even talk about that but it's pretty huge since it measn Wakanda is no longer assured to be at the top of the foodchain in terms of ressources.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
I don't think the plot is outright about vibranium being bad now, it would still be very tough and powerful. But adamantium is simply stronger on account on, you know, being taken from the corpse of a literal cosmic god.
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The entire point of introducing the metal to be stronger then vibranium what better way to represent the big bad of the film red hulk then having him damage the previous strong metal ? Heck marvel themselves keep teasing like he can dent vibranium





ArkhamDC06 said:
That, plus the political aspect. The whole deal with vibranium, beyond being incredibly durable and strong, is that it can only be found and produced in Wakanda (and Talokanil but the surface world doesn't know about it) and Wakanda is the only country in the world to beneficiate from it. BP 2 was about foreign countries trying their best to either force Wakanda to share their ressources or outright trying to steal it, the USA in particular being very salty at the idea that another, smaller country most of the world saw as the equivalent of a backwater town was actually stronger than them and they weren't the top power of the world. It was a big deal that only Wakanda had full access to it. But now, there's something far stronger, far more durable than vibranium and because it's in the ocean and not in a country, it's essentially available for just about anyone fast enough to exploit it. Not to mention the "supply" is pretty limited (granted, we're talking about a kilometers-sized corpse and we clearly see in the trailer that Tiamut is far from looking like it's been fully mined off) and it's not like Earth could get their hands on a Celestial corpse in the not-so-distant future nor easily. Something like this is bound to cause political turmoil and shift the balance of power. I don't know if the movie will even talk about that but it's pretty huge since it measn Wakanda is no longer assured to be at the top of the foodchain in terms of ressources.
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So so why not have the big bad dent or damage vibranium
 
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darkphantom9805 said:
The entire point of introducing the metal to be stronger then vibranium what better way to represent the big bad of the film red hulk then having him damage the previous strong metal ?


So so why not have the big bad dent or damage vibranium
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Because Red Hulk is not the big bad I think. The big bad will either be the Leader or Sidewinder played by Esposito
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Because Red Hulk is not the big bad I think. The big bad will either be the Leader or Sidewinder played by Esposito
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Nah red hulk is the focus point of the movie and marvel knows that there’s a reason every teaser and trailer is red hulk and not about the leader or the other guy because they know red hulk is what the people really want to see

Marvel themselves keep teasing red hulk can dent vibranium

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Like why make a marvel rivals collab emote of him denting the shield if he can’t actually do it ?

it’s still possible he does this in the film we just haven’t seen it for the teasers yet
 
darkphantom9805 said:
Nah red hulk is the focus point of the movie and marvel knows that there’s a reason every teaser and trailer and red hulk and not about the leader or the other guy because they know red hulk is what the people really want to see

Marvel themselves keep teasing red hulk can dent vibranium

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Like why make a marvel rivals collab emote of him denting the shield if he can’t actually do it ?

it’s still possible he does this in the film we just haven’t seen it for the teasers yet
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Red Hulk is indeed the big attraction but that doesn't mean he will be the main villain. It's not the first time the MCU has given us a misleading trailer. Remember how the Civil War trailers focused on the Sokovian Accords but in the end, the plot ended up being focused on Bucky. Or how the GotG 2 trailers presented the Sovereign as an extremely ominous, sinister force that would be the main antagonistic group but instead, they were just joke villains. Or the whole deal about Mysterio being supposedly a hero in the MCU or Druig being hinted to be the main villain in Eternals. Or when the trailer for Multiverse of Madness made it seem the plot would center on the fallout from Strange's actions in NWH, framing his tampering with the multiverse as a catalyst which brings in an alternate Doctor Strange to serve as the film's primary threat. Or how President Loki seemed to have a big role in the trailer for the series. Or of course, THE misleading trailer, namely Iron Man 3 with the Mandarin.

We'll have to wait and see but to me, it's clear from the promo that Red Hulk is not the main villain of this story, or at least not the one to kickstart the plot. Maybe he will go off the deep end during the movie but he won't be the one to cause the plot at first. I wouldn't even be surprised if his transformation wasn't even his doing and he was a victim of an experiment of the villain to try to shatter his public image/weaken USA/control him for whatever plan they have. He'll basically be the big attraction offering the big combat scene of the movie.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Red Hulk is indeed the big attraction but that doesn't mean he will be the main villain. It's not the first time the MCU has given us a misleading trailer. Remember how the Civil War trailers focused on the Sokovian Accords but in the end, the plot ended up being focused on Bucky. Or how the GotG 2 trailers presented the Sovereign as an extremely ominous, sinister force that would be the main antagonistic group but instead, they were just joke villains. Or the whole deal about Mysterio being supposedly a hero in the MCU or Druig being hintetd to be the main villain in Eternals. Or of course, THE misleading trailer, namely Iron Man 3 with the Mandarin.
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Obviously he can’t be the main main villain as red hulk will only be showing up at the very end of the movie but he’s still the main attraction which is why all the trailers cover him because he’s what people want to see

ArkhamDC06 said:
We'll have to wait and see but to me, it's clear from the promo that Red Hulk is not the main villain of this story, or at least not the one to kickstart the plot. Maybe he will go off the deep end during the movie but he won't be the one to cause the plot at first. I wouldn't even be surprised if his transformation wasn't even his doing and he was a victim of an experiment of the villain to try to shatter his public image/weaken USA/control him for whatever plan they have.
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Yeah but why keep teasing he can dent vibranium but then he’s not actually able to do that in the film?
 
darkphantom9805 said:
Obviously he can’t be the main main villain as red hulk will only be showing up at the very end of the movie but he’s still the main attraction which is why all the trailers cover him because he’s what people want to see


Yeah but why keep teasing he can dent vibranium but then he’s not actually able to do that in the film?
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Well there's a difference between "Denting vibranium" and "Denting vibranium instantly with only a single punch with casual ease", especially if it has the kinetic properties of BP suit and tech, which only serves to make it sturdier. Technically he can do it in both instances but in the second case, it takes more than one hit. And maybe he will be shown casually bending vibranium when it's just that and not augmented in the movie.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Well there's a difference between "Denting vibranium" and "Denting vibranium instantly with only a single punch with casual ease", especially if it has the kinetic properties of BP suit and tech, which only serves to make it sturdier. Technically he can do it in both instances but in the second case, it takes more than one hit. And maybe he will be shown casually bending vibranium when it's just that and not augmented in the movie.
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If he actually does it with just his grip then that would have to be near instantly but from what’s been shown so far he can’t dent it or do anything even if it didn’t have the BP absorbing tech

marvel needs to at least let him do something to vibranium in the film what’s the point of the fight if Sam is just a stone wall and red hulk can’t threaten him in any way as he’s unable to damage vibranium
 
Ok from leaks red hulk physically tears Sam vibranium wings and breaks his helmet but doesn’t damage the shield
 
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namor was literally punching jabari wood which is equal to vibranium

Also this is bad the entire plot of the film is how vibranium is fodder now why adamantium is new material so it would’ve made sense if he at least damaged vibranium
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To be fair, Jabari Wood doesn't have the kinetic absorption aspect. Also, Vibranium can tank planetary cores and planet level force; it's not fodder, lol. The power hierarchy is just shifting.
 
I wonder how the vibranium busting holds up against old post-awakening high tiers since we know Thanos struggled to break the shield while it seems trivial for Rhulk and Namor.
Then again, he did break Vision's head so who knows.
 
Naeem0304 said:
To be fair, Jabari Wood doesn't have the kinetic absorption aspect. Also, Vibranium can tank planetary cores and planet level force; it's not fodder, lol. The power hierarchy is just shifting.
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Are the wings + his helmet which he also breaks pure vibranium or an alloy? And where would this place red hulk among the high tiers? Green hulk level?
 
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