MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[Dinobot1996]

It looks like the Phase One: Thor novel has even more tidbits on Laufey. Apparently Laufey's fighting style was surpassed only by Odin's, and Odin and Laufey both similarly view each other as powerful despite old age:

 

[Imaginym]

The whole "the Road leads to power" thing is just a scam. There was no power. Agatha made up the thing after rumors spred about it without even wanting it and went along with it so she could steal other witches's powers. Billy making the Road is like Wanda creating the Hex, it's an uncounscious effect of his Chaos Magic

But Billy's subconscious was following that scam, right? Presumably it was using those rules, no?

Yeah, someone made up a blog for him already

Link, please?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

But Billy's subconscious was following that scam, right? Presumably it was using those rules, no?

He followed those rules because he believed they were real. In fact, if you look back at the episodes, you realize that everytime Agatha explains how the Road is supposed to work, Billy is around her and can probably hear her, implying she's figured out he made it real and is explaining stuff to influence him. Hence why he materialize the Road in a form that fits what Agatha is describing

 

[darkphantom9805]

Nothing is happening in the mcu right now

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Nothing is happening in the mcu right now

In all honesty, I prefer this to an onslaught of constant new movies and series that are just passable at best

 

[darkphantom9805]

4th time 11d dormammu was mentioned

 

[darkphantom9805]

This dude has more dimensional statements then basically anyone in the mcu but not accepted

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

4th time 11d dormammu was mentioned

Honestly I'd be down with this

This would also bump up a lot of the more high-tier characters like Infinity Ultron & God Of Stories Loki as they scale above Dormammu heavily

If he has multiple statements of specifically 11D then I think we might have to change that & maybe change up the cosmology to adjust for this

 

[darkphantom9805]

This would also bump up a lot of the more high-tier characters like Infinity Ultron & God Of Stories Loki as they scale above Dormammu heavily

If he has multiple statements of specifically 11D then I think we might have to change that & maybe change up the cosmology to adjust for this

He has multiple statements of this yeah

 

[Excellence616]

He has multiple statements of this yeah

We could use them

 

[darkphantom9805]

We could use them

We clearly can’t or this would’ve been added already it’s no different then Stormbreaker which is implied and stated numerous times to be above the infinity gauntlet yet it’s only planet level on this site

 

[Dinobot1996]

A decent argument could be made for scaling a base Mjolnir above the Hadron Enforcer using the same logic currently used to scale a base Stormbreaker above it.

 

[darkphantom9805]

A decent argument could be made for scaling a base Mjolnir above the Hadron Enforcer using the same logic currently used to scale a base Stormbreaker above it.

it literally does rocket stated Nidavellir makes more powerful weapons then his own mjolnir was stated by Odin to be a king’s weapon and it’s power has no equal meaning its one of the greatest weapons Nidavellir has ever made the 4 only notable weapons being Stormbreaker mjolnir gungnir and the infinity gauntlet

 

[Dinobot1996]

it literally does rocket stated Nidavellir makes more powerful weapons then his own mjolnir was stated by Odin to be a king’s weapon and it’s power has no equal meaning its one of the greatest weapons Nidavellir has ever made the 4 only notable weapons being Stormbreaker mjolnir gungnir and the infinity gauntlet

Also the Infinity War artbook directly mentioning Mjolnir as being one of the universe's greatest weapons:

(As the artbook came out in 2018, this should apply to Mjolnir as used by a Pre-Awakening Thor)

 

[ArkhamDC06]

But Billy's subconscious was following that scam, right? Presumably it was using those rules, no?

Link, please?

Agatha All Along

vsbattles.fandom.com

Here you go

 

[sanicspood]

Agatha All Along

vsbattles.fandom.com

Here you go

why do you put "unknown" then put reasonings that have known ratings

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I didn't make the blog, don't care about Billy, the person who made it is too busy with IRL stuff to actively discuss it so I asked if I could post it here since Imaginym wanted to see it

 

[Propellus]

Agatha All Along

vsbattles.fandom.com

Here you go

The profile looks fine, but I don't think most of his haxes should be really combat applicant since he had no idea of what's happening the whole time of the witches road being created.

 

[Imaginym]

The profile looks fine, but I don't think most of his haxes should be really combat applicant since he had no idea of what's happening the whole time of the witches road being created.

I don't think we've seen him purposefully use or control many of his Road powers, & often, he was still just as affected by the Road as the others did.

If his use of powers is only shown as so involuntary he doesn't know he's doing it so far, it might be a stretch to say they're combat applicable.
At least, until we've seen him actively do such things himself.
The Sandbox even says he made the Road out of fear, so he may require duress for some stuff.

He still has lots of abilities he can use deliberately just fine.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Kahhori went to marvel comics, and it seems she actually travelled from MCU to Marvel Comics

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Kahhori went to marvel comics, and it seems she actually travelled from MCU to Marvel Comics

Do you have proof of that ?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Do you have proof of that ?

Just read the new Marvel comic book Kahhori: reshaper of worlds.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Just read the new Marvel comic book Kahhori: reshaper of worlds.

Well... Crap. The prelude information before the comic starts is clearly referring to Marvel's What-If with, and with the explicit statement she ends up in Earth-616... Wow.. The madlads actually did it and bridged the two universes canonically.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Well... Crap. The prelude information before the comic starts is clearly referring to Marvel's What-If with, and with the explicit statement she ends up in Earth-616... Wow.. The madlads actually did it and bridged the two universes canonically.

So...this kind of happened then

 

[darkphantom9805]

So basically I was right all along???? And they do share a verse together

 

[Excellence616]

So basically I was right all along???? And they do share a verse together

Still wrong.

This isn't the first time. There was a time some characters traveled to MCU. If a not mistaking one was during Hickman Avengers run.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

If this happened literally two times why wouldn't it be canon (at least on the Marvel Comics side since we don't know if it's truly canon to the MCU side) ? I'd get it if it was only once, but twice is clearly intentional imo.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Still wrong.

This isn't the first time. There was a time some characters traveled to MCU. If a not mistaking one was during Hickman Avengers run.

Is this a joke? Marvel.com explicitly states she goes to the marvel comic universe and explicitly states it’s the same kahhori who fought dr strange at this point there is so much evidence everything you state is automatically dismissed and head canon and shouldn’t be taken as a serious argument bro is like a broken record at this point

 

[Excellence616]

If this happened literally two times why wouldn't it be canon (at least on the Marvel Comics side since we don't know if it's truly canon to the MCU side) ? I'd get it if it was only once, but twice is clearly intentional imo.

Then MCU was Earth 199999

 

[darkphantom9805]

Like we still have the TvA comic coming to showing even more evidence they share a verse only on vsbattle can something be shown and stated 50 times and still not be accepted

 

[Excellence616]

Is this a joke? Marvel.com explicitly states she goes to the marvel comic universe and explicitly states it’s the same kahhori who fought dr strange at this point there is so much evidence everything you state is automatically dismissed and head canon and shouldn’t be taken as a serious argument bro is like a broken record at this point

Yes she went to 616 but that doesn't make both Multiverse canon to each other.

Do you know The massive difference between MCU and Marvel Comics?

Like we still have the TvA comic coming to showing even more evidence they share a verse only on vsbattle can something be shown and stated 50 times and still not be accepted

TVA came out a very long time ago before the MCU.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Yes she went to 616 but that doesn't make both Multiverse canon to each other.

Do you know The massive difference between MCU and Marvel Comics?

There is no difference they share verse at best you can say they are two separate multiverses all of which is transcended by Kevin’s world so basically like my box narrative I stated a few pages ago 2 boxes/2 multiverses in 1 room/the real world

 

[Excellence616]

There is no difference they share verse at best you can say they are two separate multiverses all of which is transcended by Kevin’s world so basically like my box narrative I stated a few pages ago 2 boxes/2 multiverses in 1 room/the real world

They are different.

But what am saying shouldn't stop you from creating a thread if you think they are connected.

 

[darkphantom9805]

They are different.

But what am saying shouldn't stop you from creating a thread if you think they are connected.

I think they are connected but a thread is pointless as nothing gets accepted on this site you show them a million statements that say Stormbreaker is above the gauntlet the site goes nah planet level this is no different you could show them a million different pieces of evidence and statements and it won’t be accepted

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Kahhori went to marvel comics, and it seems she actually travelled from MCU to Marvel Comics

I think this is the same situation as Insomniac Spider-Man being in both the comics & the movie universe. I'll quickly quote the youtuber CRISIS on how this could work

On that note, I really don't want to bog you guys down with all this talk of canon, but I have to address the various comic tie ins and battles that Insomniac Spidey has allegedly undergone.
Spider Man 2, the game, made it very clear that the main version of this Spider Man is connected to the Across the Spider Verse multiverse, which is then connected to the MCU's sacred timeline. With the Marvel Cinematic Universe featuring many, many contradictions, Separating it from the conventional comic multiverse, such as the fact that Spider Verse shows us its own versions of Earth 65, 1610, 616, and so on, that are clearly radically different from the comics.
If it were connected, where was main continuity Peter during Miguel's shenanigans? Where was the real Miguel? So on and so forth. This paired with the fact that the three Insomniac games themselves never referenced Spider Geddon or Spider Man Unlimited Infinity, and as they are the main source material in this case, that instead referenced the Spider Verse movies, with Peter not even knowing about the multiverse in the game, when based on the comics, he very well should.
He doesn't even recognize these bots that are based on Spider Man he's supposed to have. already met, and he never brings up the multiverse as a possible origin for said bots. Plus, the writer for Ensam's comic appearances stated that he didn't even know if the books were canon to the games. Evidently, they are not.
It's confusing and requires a lot of knowledge about random MCU and Marvel comic lore, but it seems like Spider Geddon and Spider Man Unlimited Infinity are not canon to the games. To put it in simple terms, certain Insomniac writers may have intended for the comics to be canon, but based on their own inclusions of across the Spider Verse lore, within the primary source material itself, the game in this case, their intent is overruled by the previously established lore of the MCU, which clashes more times than not with the mechanics of the comics multiverse.
Essentially, they goofed. In the same way that Spider Verse and the MCU can have their own Earth 65s and 616s, similar to but distinct from the comics, so too can the comic multiverse have its own Earth 1048.

I think this is a simular situation. The comics have their own version of Kahhori that went through simular things as the MCU version of herself, but ultimatley isn't the exact same person, just the comics version of her

 

[darkphantom9805]

I think this is a simular situation. The comics have their own version of Kahhori that went through simular things as the MCU version of herself, but ultimatley isn't the exact same person, just the comics version of her

Nah they explicitly state she’s the exact one from what if season 2 it’s literally her and a continuation of her story and stating they have their own version is head canon she was an original mcu character to begin with so she doesn’t exist in the comics

At this point we know they share a verse but we don’t have enough information on how their cosmologies interact I personally like my box narrative of 2 separate multiverses transcended by Kevin’s world

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I think this is the same situation as Insomniac Spider-Man being in both the comics & the movie universe. I'll quickly quote the youtuber CRISIS on how this could work

I think this is a simular situation. The comics have their own version of Kahhori that went through simular things as the MCU version of herself, but ultimatley isn't the exact same person, just the comics version of her

I think this might be a different situation Ryan Little wrote both this Kahhori comic and the Kahhori episode of What if.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I think this might be a different situation Ryan Little wrote both this Kahhori comic and the Kahhori episode of What if.

Then this guy's just making his OC break litteraly everything about both cosmologies. Great writing dude

I think we should see how the comics explains this before we instantly jump to combining the 2 multiverses

Also the situation might still be the same as if he's the only writer that considers the 2 multiverses connected but other writers don't, then his intent would just be overruled by the other staff at Marvel. But if it's a universally agreed upon thing that the 2 multiverses are connected, then that's just shit writing

 

[darkphantom9805]

Also the situation might still be the same as if he's the only writer that considers the 2 multiverses connected but other writers don't, then his intent would just be overruled by the other staff at Marvel. But if it's a universally agreed upon thing that the 2 multiverses are connected, then that's just shit writing

It’s stated a shared decision by marvel entertainment meaning the comics side agrees let’s just go with the 2 multiverses theory and by presumably Kevin’s interference allows crossovers between the two multiverses

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

It’s stated a shared decision by marvel entertainment meaning the comics side agrees let’s just go with the 2 multiverses theory and by presumably Kevin’s interference allows crossovers between the two multiverses

I think we should wait until the comic says how this works & apply that and not go with the 2 boxes theory. It's possible it's true, but it's better to wait until Marvel actually comes out with how this all works

Anyways, from a pure writing perspective, I don't think that merging the 2 multiverses is a good idea as you have to come up with so many excuses & bs as to why all of the massive differences in the cosmologies work. Also as a writer, I just think that simpler multiverses are objectively far better than some super complex and detailed multiverse. Your lore & cosmology should be simple enough for a passive viewer & non-mega fan to be able to understand without doing litteral hours of homework to understand it. If a general viewing/reading/whatever audience can't clearly understand your cosmology & lore simply by just passively watching & enjoying your work, you're bad at making stories. I get some people really like complex lore & cosmologies, and that's totally fine, everyone likes different things, but as a writer myself who has made a few of my own multiverse stories, making some super complex cosmology with 10,000 different rules & thousands of different pieces of lore and stuff is boring.

EEAAO Multiverse