MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[darkphantom9805]

How come Odin creation can’t scale to his ap ?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

How come Odin creation can’t scale to his ap ?

Because the wiki doesn’t recognize the Odin force as a UES

 

[darkphantom9805]

Because the wiki doesn’t recognize the Odin force as a UES

the creation feat was done strictly with the Odin force which he can channel into his attacks tho

 

[Dinobot1996]

According to the updated Marvel Studios character encyclopedia, Red Guardian is specifically stated to have enhanced physical capabilities comparable to those of Captain America:

It also confirms that Taskmaster has enhanced strength and durability with her suit, and that combined with her replication of fighting styles, she was able to give Red Guardian the match against Captain America he always wanted:

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

the creation feat was done strictly with the Odin force which he can channel into his attacks tho

Gonna need a statement or feat that implies or states he can put the same lvl of power into his ap

 

[darkphantom9805]

Gonna need a statement or feat that implies or states he can put the same lvl of power into his ap

that makes absolutely no sense the creation feat was done by the exact same power that fuels him he literally thrives off of it like hela who has limitless growth there’s absolutely no reason we should assume he can’t use it for attacks when he can literally fire fully concentrated beams of the Odin force

Make things worse it seemed like a casual feat a single tap of his staff meaning if Odin can casually harness enough of the Odin force to generate that he can use it for ap to

 

[darkphantom9805]

According to the updated Marvel Studios character encyclopedia, Red Guardian is specifically stated to have enhanced physical capabilities comparable to those of Captain America:

Do any of the guides talk about speed they always say enhanced strength and stuff but what about speed

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

that makes absolutely no sense the creation feat was done by the exact same power that fuels him he literally thrives off of it like hela who has limitless growth there’s absolutely no reason we should assume he can’t when use it for attacks when he can literally fire fully concentrated beams of the Odin force

Make things worse it seemed like a casual feat a single tap of his staff meaning if Odin can casually harness enough of the Odin force to generate that he can use it for ap to

It does by are sites standards. I already made a crt on this topic awhile ago(In fact you were there) and it was explained why it didn’t qualify

https://vsbattles.com/threads/mcu-odin-tier-4-upgrade.161176/post-6194115
(The reasoning is discussed on page 2)

 

[Dinobot1996]

Do any of the guides talk about speed they always say enhanced strength and stuff but what about speed

Red Guardian is specified to have enhanced agility:

 

[darkphantom9805]

It does by are sites standards. I already made a crt on this topic awhile ago(In fact you were there) and it was explained why it didn’t qualify

https://vsbattles.com/threads/mcu-odin-tier-4-upgrade.161176/post-6194115
(The reasoning is discussed on page 2)

The proof is there’s no reason why he wouldn’t be able to use the Odin force for his ap ? Like can you tell me one single solid logical reasoning why he wouldn’t there is no physical tier cap on Odin hela Thor etc the more mastery they have of the Odin force the stronger they become odin demonstrated enough to create the constellation meaning his ap should scale because he can harness the Odin force and shoot it as concentrated beams

Also there is this saying Thor is coming close to the power of Odin Thor has access to the Odin force to

 

[darkphantom9805]

Guardian is specified to have enhanced agility:

What about for other characters? High tiers or something

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The proof is there’s no reason why he wouldn’t be able to use the Odin force for his ap ? Like can you tell me one single solid logical reasoning why he wouldn’t there is no physical tier cap on Odin hela Thor etc the more mastery they have of the Odin force the stronger they become odin demonstrated enough to create the constellation meaning his ap should scale because he can harness the Odin force and shoot it as concentrated beams

Also there is this saying Thor is coming close to the power of Odin Thor has access to the Odin force to

If you feel this strongly about this topic then make a crt and present your argument to the mods

 

[darkphantom9805]

If you feel this strongly about this topic then make a crt and present your argument to the mods

there’s just no logical reason why he wouldn’t be able to use it for ap the entire reason he was able to do the constellation feat is because he could gather enough of the Odin force to do it and channel it through gungnir like he literally used gungnir for the constellation feat yet he can’t use it for ap where is the logic in that?

 

[Dinobot1996]

What about for other characters? High tiers or something

Agility is listed as a key strength for Thor:

Without any additional descriptors added, it isn't anything that helps set his speed at anything particularly impressive, considering Black Widow also got agility listed as a key strength:

Thanos doesn't have anything mentioned about speed:

 

[darkphantom9805]

i just learned the art of what if book is finally coming out we should get some really good statements for feats and scaling from it

Thanos doesn't have anything mentioned about speed:

That part seems like nonsense thanos demonstrated tons of agility dude was bobbing and weaving in a 1v3 against cap Thor and tony

 

[chosen]

Alot of links like unibeam > 7b lasers don't work for me. It's from me or imgur nuked whoever uploader the link images

Bump

Slso bucky page "At least Multi-Continent level with Vibranium Arm (Should be comparable to Captain America's Vibranium Shield)" it's this a accident? Check cap profile and shield dura isn't even 6a

 

[darkphantom9805]

Something interesting is that writers of NWH don’t think the mark 50 arc reactor would be to much for spidey to handle

 

[Emerald]

Where do these scans come from?

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[Excellence616]

Smash (beating) and pass

 

[darkphantom9805]

Where do these scans come from?

in the original script for NWH he was originally supposed to get a mark 50 meaning the literal writers don’t see mark 50 as to much to handle meaning there likely isn’t this gigantic gap between spidey and tony which makes sense given what we seen in endgame and infinity war of him overpowering cull taking hits from him and knocking him out

Considering his villains can break nano armor this would make sense

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Writers in the original script for NWH he was originally supposed to get a mark 50 meaning the literal writers don’t see mark 50 as to much to handle meaning there likely isn’t this gigantic gap between spidey and tony which makes sense given what we seen in endgame and infinity war of him overpowering cull taking hits from him and knocking him out

Considering his villains can break nano armor this would make sense

Cool, but in the end, that didn't happen in the movie & they used the older ark reactors, so I don't think that statement in itself is enough to go off of

 

[darkphantom9805]

Cool, but in the end, that didn't happen in the movie & they used the older ark reactors, so I don't think that statement in itself is enough to go off of

I mean we don’t know what arc reactor they used as its not the exact same one from im2 as there are differences and it’s called stark grade logically why would they go from mark 50 to im2 makes no sense

Also there’s a wog that says all scrapped storyboard and stuff like that are apart of the continuity of mcu SpiderMan and things that can actually happen I think there’s even another wog about how scrapped stuff are pruned timelines by the tva

I think it’s very clear spidey is supposed to surpass his mentor which would be tony

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I mean we don’t know what arc reactor they used as its not the exact same one from im2 as there are differences and it’s called stark grade logically why would they go from mark 50 to im2 makes no sense

Also there’s a wog that says all scrapped storyboard and stuff like that are apart of the continuity of mcu SpiderMan and things that can actually happen I think there’s even another wog about how scrapped stuff are pruned timelines by the tva

I think it’s very clear spidey is supposed to surpass his mentor which would be tony

Well unless you can supply that WOG scan and prove that the arc reactor is equal to Tony's nanoarmor, then you have pretty much no proof that it's as strong. Also, all 3 peters get absolutely stomped by an electro using the arc reactor. They couldn't fight back, they were getting demolished. And Andrew's Peter even says that he has never seen electro this powerful before, with Tom saying "It's the arc reactor"

"I've never seen him this powerful!"
"It's the Arc Reactor."

Source: MCU Wiki

So even if he was scaling to nanoarmor Iron Man (which I doubt it does as the look of the arc reactor seems to heavily resemble the earlier arc reactors and the fabricators that Electro got the arc reactor from were made pre-Infinity War iirc), the Spider-Men & Otto Octavious still got destroyed, so they aren't that comparable to it

 

[darkphantom9805]

Well unless you can supply that WOG scan and prove that the arc reactor is equal to Tony's nanoarmor, then you have pretty much no proof that it's as strong. Also, all 3 peters get absolutely stomped by an electro using the arc reactor. They couldn't fight back, they were getting demolished. And Andrew's Peter even says that he has never seen electro this powerful before, with Tom saying "It's the arc reactor"

I mean if the writers think they can handle seems pretty good when we literally have intent and conformation that it actually happened as a variant timeline and this site does accept variant scaling meaning if him getting a mark 50 is in another timeline are tobey Andrew and Tom would scale

Also they didn’t get demolished Tom tanked a uni beam Andrew and tobey took his attacks for a long time they obviously can’t win because electro can go intangible and spam long ranged attacks something they don’t have counters for but if his attacks were that strong then that means they took numerous stark grade attacks

So even if he was scaling to nanoarmor Iron Man (which I doubt it does as the look of the arc reactor seems to heavily resemble the earlier arc reactors and the fabricators that Electro got the arc reactor from were made pre-Infinity War iirc), the Spider-Men & Otto Octavious still got destroyed, so they aren't that comparable to it

I mean in the end we don’t know what arc reactor it is but regardless the spiders have a inner totem of strength to call upon

And if the writers don’t think that the mark 50 is to much meaning electro wouldn’t vape them by being near them then it makes sense

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Can scarlet witch have key high 3-A with hax since her hax is the darkhold, infinite mass destruction? I'm just wondering

 

[Excellence616]

Can scarlet witch have key high 3-A with hax since her hax is the darkhold, infinite mass destruction? I'm just wondering

Nope

 

[Lacku]

Can scarlet witch have key high 3-A with hax since her hax is the darkhold, infinite mass destruction? I'm just wondering

Nope

 

[Yokoahh5743]

In the scene where Dr. Strange fights Thanos on the Star Titan Thanos created a black hole and threw it at Dr. Strange. And he turned a black hole into a butterfly. Why isn't LOW5-B the basic level it comes from, a black hole?

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Okay guys, imagine her doing this shit to me. That would be so hot

 

[Dinobot1996]

Okay guys, imagine her doing this shit to me. That would be so hot

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Okay guys, imagine her doing this shit to me. That would be so hot

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Should we talk about the Scarlet Witch in what if immersive story This is because she is related to Yggdrasil Multiverse and the series is also listed as a spinoff of the television series. What if...? which is directly tied to the MCU She created a new timeline or fix it

 

[darkphantom9805]

I don’t have Apple vision so can someone give me a breakdown of all the feat in the what if immersive story

 

[Yokoahh5743]

I don’t have Apple vision so can someone give me a breakdown of all the feat in the what if immersive story

The scarlet witch encounters the Absolute Points incident, and she loses all visions in all timelines and universes. So she disguised herself as the Watcher to collect all the Infinity Stones. It was a way for her to get her vision back. The Infinity Stones were able to create new timelines and she used them to create new timelines by intervene with Yggdrasil Multiverse Loki, which created The new timeline should be low1-c

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

The scarlet witch encounters the Absolute Points incident, and she loses all visions in all timelines and universes. So she disguised herself as the Watcher to collect all the Infinity Stones. It was a way for her to get her vision back. The Infinity Stones were able to create new timelines and she used them to create new timelines by intervene with Yggdrasil Multiverse Loki, which created The new timeline should be low1-c

Why is this hidden behind an Apple Vision thing lmfaooooo

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Why is this hidden behind an Apple Vision thing lmfaooooo

The official mcu has already stated that it is the mcu universe, both place and time. and various realities But it was made different as mcu said that mcu is more realistic than linear and it is, and what if? immersive story is a spin-off of the television series What If...?

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Should we create a scarlet witch profile from what if? immersive story or not since it is connected to the what if... series? At the end, Captain Carter, who helped the Watcher in What if...? Season 2, comes to thank the players

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

The official mcu has already stated that it is the mcu universe, both place and time. and various realities But it was made different as mcu said that mcu is more realistic than linear and it is, and what if? immersive story is a spin-off of the television series What If...?

I’m not saying I don’t think its canon I just think it’s funny that they made all of this for a $3,000 VR headset that no one can afford.

But we do need to get footage before we can make profiles or add anything.

 

[darkphantom9805]

11d god tiers for mcu confirmed or no