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With the release of Echo we now have fairly concrete scaling that upgrades the Netflix side of the MCU to 9-A and MHS+. Along with that we have full confirmation that those shows, starting with Daredevil season 1 and ending with Punisher season 2, are all canon and a part of the Sacred Timeline (about time). I'll quickly go over the scaling justifications:
Now that I've established why exactly they should scale I've made a sandbox that's linked below featuring most of the major Netflix characters that would be affected by this upgrade. I've also cleaned up and added many missing abilities, justifications and references to a lot of these profiles (Iron Fist has a surprising amount of abilities I never knew about because I am not bothered watching that show lol). A couple of these are complete page reworks too so if I missed anything or should add something feel free to mention:
TL;DR: Netflix Marvel characters should be upgraded to 9-A and MHS+ due to scaling to Echo and Kate Bishop and I've made a sandbox showing how this would be applied if accepted along with a bunch of updates and fixes to pages that need them.
Agree: GFArrow, Excellence616, Dinobot1996, FentyBeauty, LordTracer, Dalesean027, Zeinx1, Shiraito983, Propellus, Revan_Laha
Disagree:
- On her first job for Kingpin in 2021, Maya Lopez is sent to eliminate a rival gang to Fisk's operations. After defeating this rival gang Daredevil ambushes and fights her. In this fight he is very visibly casual and not taking the fight seriously. Additionally he is barely staggered by a kick from Maya's prosthetic leg. In comparison, Maya gets floored more than once by Daredevil's blows. I would like to clarify that I'm saying none of this to downplay Maya, as she's a very formidable fighter in her own right, however, she is shown to be soundly below Daredevil in this flashback, despite putting up a good fight and even being complimented for her performance by Kingpin. Three years later after this encounter, the events of Hawkeye would take place, with Maya being shown to be comparable to the likes of Clint Barton and Yelena Belova, along with withstanding a lot of punishment, such as remaining conscious after being hit by the Widow's Bite, which can momentarily knock out other Widow's and send Ant-Man flying, and pulled it off of her chest. Nothing in the flashbacks after the Daredevil fight scene in Echo suggest that Maya got any stronger physically, though she became a far more experienced criminal. Still there isn't anything to support that there's any difference between her in 2021 and 2024.
- In Hawkeye, Kate Bishop is consistently a stone wall, withstanding sucker punches from Maya Lopez and kicks from Yelena Belova (despite her likely going easy on her in later episodes she would have no reason to hold back in their first encounter on the rooftop). Kingpin, who shows up in the last episode, dominates Kate for the entirety of their fight, and sends her flying backward with some of his blows. All the while Fisk is very casual and comes off as mildly annoyed during the whole encounter. Since he's able to hurt Kate the way he does that means he should at the very least be on the same level of others who can do the same such as Maya Lopez and Yelena Belova.
Now that I've established why exactly they should scale I've made a sandbox that's linked below featuring most of the major Netflix characters that would be affected by this upgrade. I've also cleaned up and added many missing abilities, justifications and references to a lot of these profiles (Iron Fist has a surprising amount of abilities I never knew about because I am not bothered watching that show lol). A couple of these are complete page reworks too so if I missed anything or should add something feel free to mention:
MCU Street level sandbox
vsbattles.fandom.com
TL;DR: Netflix Marvel characters should be upgraded to 9-A and MHS+ due to scaling to Echo and Kate Bishop and I've made a sandbox showing how this would be applied if accepted along with a bunch of updates and fixes to pages that need them.
Agree: GFArrow, Excellence616, Dinobot1996, FentyBeauty, LordTracer, Dalesean027, Zeinx1, Shiraito983, Propellus, Revan_Laha
Disagree:
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