[MCU] Hulk New Key + Downgrades

[RoTt35]

Hulk currently scales to Thor's 6-B full power due to their first fight during Avengers, which is incorrect since in "Thor: The Dark World Prelude" it was stated that the Dark Energy weakened both Odin and Thor, and for reference the process almost killed Odin, therefore Thor was not at his full power during Avengers.

Therefore Hulk should have a new key, called "Avenger" for example, where he scales to destroying Leviathans, which are 7-B+, and is also comparable to a weakened Thor who could do the same. In turn, this would downgrade other characters: Iron Man's first Hulkbuster and Abomination, which is still consistent with the latter breaking Wong's Tao Mandala. His second key can be called "Gladiator" or something like that, which would correspond to the events of Ragnarok where Hulk is already comparable to a 6-B Pre-Awakening Thor who isn't weakened.

Extras:

• Thor should have Awakened Power in his first key since during his battle against Hulk he was able to briefly use his awakened powers
• Doctor Strange should have Self-Soul Manipulation as WoG stated that during this scene, Thanos used the Soul Stone to shave Strange's soul out of his body, who had to pull himself back in it

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I agree with the OP

 

[Lacku]

I’m neutral on this for now but I swear it was implied that Thor was only weakened during the battle in the forest and was at normal strength for the rest of the movie

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

but will his Gladiator key have 6-B?

 

[RoTt35]

but will his Gladiator key have 6-B?

Yes

 

[Lacku]

Also not too sure about Thor having his awakened strength listed in his pre-awakening key since he only used it once against Gladiator Hulk in a extremely specific situation

 

[RoTt35]

Also not too sure about Thor having his awakened strength listed in his pre-awakening key since he only used it once against Gladiator Hulk in a extremely specific situation

Awakened Power is an ability, I guess we can clarify that it only happened after the death of his father Odin

 

[Excellence616]

Yes

 

[Lacku]

Awakened Power is an ability, I guess we can clarify that it only happened after the death of his father Odin

You’d have to add a new key in-between pre-awakening and awakened to have that listed on his profile though since he could only enter that awakened state after mjolnir was destroyed, him having it on the same key he has his hammer in wouldn’t be accurate

 

[Lonkitt]

I agree

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Seems fine

 

[RoTt35]

I have a question about Avenger Hulk's LS (7-B key), should he scale from Professor Hulk's LS who threw a boulder very fast or from his own feat of punching and moving a Leviathan?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I have a question about Avenger Hulk's LS (7-B key), should he scale from Professor Hulk's LS who threw a boulder very fast or from his own feat of punching and moving a Leviathan?

Not sure. His own feat would probably be safer, since Professor Hulk seems to be a combination of Gladiator/Post-Sakaar Hulk's brawns and Bruce Banner's brains, unless I'm mistaking something.

Personally, though, it seem weird that a generally calm Hulk would be stronger than a raging savage one, especially when Hulk's strength is somewhat connected to his anger. But that's just me

 

[Excellence616]

Not sure. His own feat would probably be safer, since Professor Hulk seems to be a combination of Gladiator/Post-Sakaar Hulk's brawns and Bruce Banner's brains, unless I'm mistaking something.

Personally, though, it seem weird that a generally calm Hulk would be stronger than a raging savage one, especially when Hulk's strength is somewhat connected to his anger. But that's just me

Generally intelligence somehow make Hulk weak. Professor Hulk should be slightly weaker than when he was Savage.

 

[RoTt35]

I don't think Professor Hulk is weaker, even though he doesn't have any feats and we all hate that, since he himself stated that he combined his strength and intelligence, what I think is that he just lost his ability to increase his strength with his anger

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I don't think Professor Hulk is weaker, even though he doesn't have any feats and we all hate that, since he himself stated that he combined his strength and intelligence, what I think is that he just lost his ability to increase his strength with his anger

I guess but hulk dosen’t have a base strength to really go off of sooooo….

 

[Excellence616]

I don't think Professor Hulk is weaker, even though he doesn't have any feats and we all hate that, since he himself stated that he combined his strength and intelligence, what I think is that he just lost his ability to increase his strength with his anger

Exactly

 

[Excellence616]

I don't think Professor Hulk is weaker, even though he doesn't have any feats and we all hate that, since he himself stated that he combined his strength and intelligence, what I think is that he just lost his ability to increase his strength with his anger

He should be at least comparable to base Hulk or at least a slightly enraged Hulk.

 

[RoTt35]

He should be at least comparable to base Hulk or at least a slightly enraged Hulk.

Professor Hulk should be comparable to Gladiator Hulk, so 6-B, although I don't know if that warrants his profile to have another key

 

[Lonkitt]

I don't think Professor Hulk is weaker, even though he doesn't have any feats and we all hate that, since he himself stated that he combined his strength and intelligence, what I think is that he just lost his ability to increase his strength with his anger

I agree. He doesn't actually seem weaker despite what the fandom says. He just doesn't have the ability to use his rage power supposedly

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Professor Hulk should be comparable to Gladiator Hulk, so 6-B, although I don't know if that warrants his profile to have another key

Idk about that, abomination was capable of going head to head with him while holding back

 

[RoTt35]

Idk about that, abomination was capable of going head to head with him while holding back

Wasn't that retconned by K.E.V.I.N. when he changed the plot since nothing made sense and therefore it isn't canon?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Wasn't that retconned by K.E.V.I.N. when he changed the plot since nothing made sense and therefore it isn't canon?

Don’t know, never really watched the final(or most of she hulk for that matter)

 

[RoTt35]

Well, Hulk's keys and tiers would be like this:

• Tier: 7-B, higher with Rage | 6-B, higher with Rage | At least 6-B | 6-B
• Key: Avenger | Gladiator | Hulkbuster 2.0 | Professor

Would it be unnecessary to add a new key for Professor Hulk?

 

[Lonkitt]

This would affect Tim Roth's goated Abomination as well, yes?

 

[RoTt35]

This would affect Tim Roth's goated Abomination as well, yes?

Yes, he and the first Hulkbuster would be downgraded to 7-B+, and his fight with Professor Hulk is "non-canon" since it was retconned by K.E.V.I.N. when he changed the plot as it didn't make sense

 

[Lonkitt]

Abomination's justifications for breaking Wong's shields can be brought back too

 

[RoTt35]

Abomination's justifications for breaking Wong's shields can be brought back too

Yes, that's already added in the OP

 

[Lonkitt]

Well, Hulk's keys and tiers would be like this:

• Tier: 7-B, higher with Rage | 6-B, higher with Rage | At least 6-B | 6-B
• Key: Avenger | Gladiator | Hulkbuster 2.0 | Professor

Would it be unnecessary to add a new key for Professor Hulk?

Also the Professor Hulk key seems fine

Country level (Bruce considers this form as having brought together the strength of the Hulk and his own genius intelligence into one)

And a weakness could be added

Weaknesses: While no weaker than his Gladiator self, Professor Hulk is incapable of utilizing boosts in power from his rage, having overcome his anger.

 

[RoTt35]

Yeah, that's perfect

 

[Excellence616]

Well, Hulk's keys and tiers would be like this:

• Tier: 7-B, higher with Rage | 6-B, higher with Rage | At least 6-B | 6-B
• Key: Avenger | Gladiator | Hulkbuster 2.0 | Professor

Would it be unnecessary to add a new key for Professor Hulk?

Better

Also the Professor Hulk key seems fine

Country level (Bruce considers this form as having brought together the strength of the Hulk and his own genius intelligence into one)

And a weakness could be added

Weaknesses: While no weaker than his Gladiator self, Professor Hulk is incapable of utilizing boosts in power from his rage, having overcome his anger.

We should remove the arm weakness or just say formally + his arm weakness?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Just to clarify, in terms of LS, Pre-Awakening Thor would still scale to Professor Hulk's boulder throw calc since they are scaling to each other, right?

 

[RoTt35]

Just to clarify, in terms of LS, Pre-Awakening Thor would still scale to Professor Hulk's boulder throw calc since they are scaling to each other, right?

Yes, he is comparable to Gladiator Hulk who scales from his Professor self, what I don't know is where the "at least" comes from since all the characters who are Class M have that

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Yes, he is comparable to Gladiator Hulk who scales from his Professor self, what I don't know is where the "at least" comes from since all the characters who are Class M have that

I think it used to be from scaling to a severely weakened Thor crushing Iron Man's gauntlet, but since Thor, Hulk and the other folks who scale to them have calcs of higher value, the "At least" can be removed

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[Eseseso]

Sad agree with Hulk nerf.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I think it used to be from scaling to a severely weakened Thor crushing Iron Man's gauntlet, but since Thor, Hulk and the other folks who scale to them have calcs of higher value, the "At least" can be removed

I’m pretty sure there’s a statment about Thor holding back in that fight to

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I’m pretty sure there’s a statment about Thor holding back in that fight to

It's not an explicit statement, but yes, it was implied

 

[RoTt35]

So the "at least" of all the characters with Class M will be removed except if they are stronger than another one like Abomination or Kurse?