MCU: 2-B Dormammu

[RoTt35]

My third and last attempt to upgrade Dormammu: according to this guidebook, the Dark Dimension is an amalgamation of countless dimensions that Dormammu has consumed, which would make the Dark Dimension a 2-B structure, since the same guidebook uses dimension, reality and universe interchangeably.

But the guidebook also states that Dormammu's essence has been altered so many times by the assimilation of other universes, which means that Dormammu not only merges the dimensions into the Dark Dimension but also into himself. This isn't contradicted during the movie since Kaecilius states that the universe will be part of the One (Dormammu) alongside with so many others. Dormammu's body being composed of those dimensions is also implied by other guidebooks:

• ‌This guidebook states that Dormammu's body is composed of space-time
• ‌These two guidebooks states that Dormammu is an extradimensional being

Therefore, both the Dark Dimension and Dormammu should be 2-B since they are composed of countless dimensions/universes

Agree: 14 (@Dalesean027, @Qawsedf234, @Thelastmlg, @ShadowWhoWalks, @Aseka, @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer, @Excel616, @Lacku, @NHTkenshin2, @The_Axiom_of_Virgo, @Gasper, @Shadowbeast, @Eseseso, @RoTt35)

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Dalesean027]

following

 

[Thelastmlg]

hmmm, yeah this makes sense to me, agreed

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

There is a statement that the infinite dimensions contain ravenous beings (something Dormammu has been described as) who are "older than time", which is a reference to Dormammu:

The Ancient One: He looks alright to me. You think you know how the world works? You think that this material universe is all there is? What is real? What mysteries lie beyond the reach of your senses? At the root of existence, mind and matter meet. Thoughts shape reality. This universe is only one of an infinite number. Worlds without end. Some benevolent and life-giving, others filled with malice and hunger. Dark places, where powers older than time lie… ravenous… and waiting. Who are you in this vast multiverse, Mr. Strange? Have you seen that before in a gift shop?

The Dark Dimension is stated to be beyond time (with time in the material dimension not progressing after Doctor Strange's time loops), and the guidebook says that Dormammu's dimension is primordial.
So Dormammu had access to an infinite amount of time to consume dimensions (he can still hunger for the material dimension specifically because it has desirable unique properties).
Can this argument provide a possibly 2-A rating?

Otherwise, 2-B makes sense.

 

[RoTt35]

2-A was rejected before since, while Dormammu seeks to consume all of the infinite dimensions and realities, we don't know if he can achieve it, plus it would be overtime

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

The arguments have the same conclusion, but citing Dormammu doing so for an infinite amount of time (in actuality, not potentially) has a different premise.

 

[Thelastmlg]

yeah we don't accept 2-A in infinite time, i think finite time could give a "potentially" rating but infinite time doesn't work

an example is altair from Re:Creators, she is low 2-C for being able to create universes, and she can create an infinite number of universes, though this would take an infinite amount of time

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

yeah we don't accept 2-A in infinite time, i think finite time could give a "potentially" rating but infinite time doesn't work

an example is altair from Re:Creators, she is low 2-C for being able to create universes, and she can create an infinite number of universes, though this would take an infinite amount of time

Not a good analogy.
A better one would be:
An infinite amount of time passed where she is constantly creating universes, then she decided to merge the universes.

NOT:
She is trying to create an infinite amount of universes after a finite amount of time has passed.

 

[Aseka]

Makes sense, fine with me.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Seems alright

 

[Excellence616]

Make sense. I agree

 

[Lacku]

looks good agree

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Seems alot more solid, i agree.

 

[Dalesean027]

I suppose this is fine

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[Gasper]

Bump

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I agree also wouldn't that be a good range feat for the time stone?

 

[Gasper]

Also forgot to comment, i agree.

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[Shadowbeast]

I agree with the upgrade

 

[Lacku]

Can this be applied yet?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Can this be applied yet?

I think we need a few more staff to look at it. Only one has evaluated it so far

 

[Qawsedf234]

As I said in the PMs and after thinking on it a bit, 2-A still has no support but 2-B is probably fine since we generally consider countless to be above 1,000.

 

[RoTt35]

As I said in the PMs and after thinking on it a bit, 2-A still has no support but 2-B is probably fine since we generally consider countless to be above 1,000.

Yeah, 2-A was already rejected, is it fine to apply the 2-B upgrade to Dormammu or do we need more staff input?

Btw, would Dormammu being composed of space-time and dimensions/universes give him any new ability or maybe LS?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah, 2-A was already rejected, is it fine to apply the 2-B upgrade to Dormammu or do we need more staff input?

You need to wait 24 hours and assuming no counterpoints are offered it can be applied.

new ability

Maybe

LS

No

 

[Gasper]

Just apply it then

 

[Qawsedf234]

Just apply it then

It's against the rules

 

[Gasper]

It's against the rules

You literally just said you need to wait 24 hours to apply, which this thread is already past that. 2 staff agree and no one disagrees.

 

[Qawsedf234]

You literally just said you need to wait 24 hours to apply, which this thread is already past that. 2 staff agree and no one disagrees.

The 24 hours started when I accepted it, since at that point the CRT was passed.

 

[Gasper]

The 24 hours started when I accepted it, since at that point the CRT was passed.

I see

 

[Eseseso]

Late agree with 2-B

 

[RoTt35]

It's been 24 hours since Qawsedf's comments, so I applied the changes on Dormammu's profile, this thread can be closed now