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This is a poor excuse and a thread like this should have no room for it.Boy weve making overly intellectualised theories on a few sentences from a 5 year old indie game to get power levels for a wiki that confines all of fiction to one system that runs on earth logic and whacky theories about higher planes of existence. "Intelligent" was never in this room to begin with lmao
This has..some self-delution, I'll say, we don't say that they didn't left a timeline because it's never stated and it goes against what the lore says, as a standard take that's insane. We do have to do things that make sense and ignore the things that don't. Do not bring up other verses, Undertale doesn't have their inconsistencies and noticing something like it should have been a prioruty for you.Frisk reverses time yeah, but whos to say the previous progress he made doesnt branch off in its own timeline? Not everything has to be taken in a way that "makes sense more than anything" (not saying we should accept things that are actually contradicted or have truly little to no evidence). They refer to only one timeline a lot of the time yeah. But dont forget we have tonnes of verses that refer to a "timeline" or "universe" as a multiverse or higher in context (blazeblue, digimon, smt etc). Heck the same game uses "world" to refer to the entire games reality.
This ignores all the points against that.For the left off timelines, people may or may not be left off in those timelines, or the timelines could just become defunct, but it wouldnt really contradict much besides flowey and frisk more than likely not existing in those timelines (which would just give them time travel as well as time manip more than anything).
Not necessarily, he may not be a follower but there are factors you ignored like him talking about him without being a follower, indirectly saying something that fits to his story without him knowing him or Gaster having influenced the followers and him. As a mystery, just 100% saying that he wasn't referring to Gaster isn't a valid take over it being possible in context. The only way we know he's not a Gaster follower is via hacking the game, same with his placement on the fun value board, for all we know Toby could have added him later, after having added those 3 others guys.Also for goner kids evidence. He is absolutely referring to himself and not gaster. Hes not even a gaster follower or confirmed to be in any way besides being grey like the others and disappearing off camera eventually. Heck his placement on the fun value board is fundamentally different from the other followers.
This is a cheap AF thing to say and doesn't make it canon anyway.Fun values while they are only seen through hacking. Not only does toby know players will hack the game
Someone referring themselves as not existing in "another world" was just a thought in the air, his existence being tied to a probability system is a game mechanic not said in-game. He could just be referring to the system as a game mechanic, not a canon in-universe thing and he could be referring to all the other takes I gave above, including one where the system is canon but only changes the same timeline to make "other timeline/another world" like the lore of the game states, making everything fit and nothing going against that. You have no reason to say what you did.but there is pretty much no reason for him to add a probability system into a metanarrative and actually have someone refference themselves not existing in "another world" whos existence is literally tied to said probability system and follows that perfectly, and said probability system not even being canon at all.
No, you made up the rules there. If there can be another timeline where he doesn't exist then the same timeline can be changed so that he doesn't exist (taking in that that's what he meant), the Goner Kid in the og timeline from the another timeline and the Goner Kid from the og timeline before being changed can both equally feel bad about not existing in another world, saying otherwise is lacking imagination. Saying one of the takes goes against what the lore states, saying the other fits in the lore, all the other takes also fit and go against what you say, I can say that there are intelligent and not intelligent ways of doing this, we just have to have some standards I believed we already had.If you wanna say goner kid is probably just referring to there being a chance in him appearing or not appearing then go for it. But the point andys making is that its way more likely that someone being depressed about the idea of them straight up not existing in a different world and the games reality itself functioning perfectly without them as a pretty clear reference to that actually happening is a pretty strong indicator of alternate timelines more than some kind of probability.
It's legit made to have many takes and have myssstery over it, don't be dishonest about it.The whole logic of "theres many other ways that it can be explained" just seems like something that can be used to disregard any feat of piece of lore and hardly a contradiction a lot of the time tbh.
So should Eficiente be allowed to go ahead then, given that Andy and Ultima do not respond?
I went over what Sans said in my blog and that thing Chara said specifically goes in favor of there being only 1 timeline, they're clearly not destroying this "next" world with their attack, hence they will move on into it next, and if the Player replays this Chara is just annoyed that they keep messing with this world, it being the 1 timeline they destroyed before (or the planet, but really they always say world as in timeline). Giving what Chara says they are it's pretty clear that they mean for the Player to go to some other game in general and start becoming stronger by killing, this ignoring what happened in Deltarune.But possibly 2-C could work with Sans especially mentionning "timelines" and Chara talking about "next world".
That's actually what I meant "by more logic". Like, it would have been clearer.Well, it wouldn't make more logic, it would only be more clear for us to get it. It makes perfect logic as it is just like, say, Doc in Back to the Future talking about an alteration in the timeline letting him and Marty in other "reality", with the past of it being the same as their og reality and that verse only having 1 timeline.
Feel free to comment here in the meantime.Seems like some things deemed wrong in other CRTs were still in the profiles. The changes are done, although things like match-ups still need to be removed.
I'll soon make other CRT for the verse, link it here and then close this one.