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Mashle - Massive thread for a verse that nobody cares

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AP revision for profiles that doesn't even exist

"But why?"

The main reason of this thread it's because if everything here got accepted I will put everything in this blog. Originally I wasn't even going to create a thread There are so many things that it's much better to simply revise the overall logic to see if it makes sense before create the profiles.

This will not talk about every existing character in the series, just the ones that are "key" for the scaling.

And of course, I won't put all the calculations here. There are some that will serve as support that are not going to be put here since they are not "so important".

I'm not gonna talk about speed because I am afraid of the current chapters and LS. This is for another time (Or not, because these two are much simpler)

Yes, I know that you is gonna only look at the numbers mf
Why am I already regretting having this idea?
Anyway
Multipliers
10x
The higher your level of magical power, the greater your sea of possibilities for more high-level spells. The fact that you have a weak level of magical power makes some more advanced level spells impossible to use.

This is relevant because a Lance with the mentally and skills of a baby, with a Magic power reduced by at least 10 times, was able to cast a spell that makes the power difference irrelevant between him and the enemy

Sure, Lance it's a ******* genius, probably the greatest prodigy of the entire series behind Orter and Rhyo. Therefore, this multiplier cannot be used for any spell that's considered "too strong", only for some exceptions. The idea is to use this multiplier only for spells that are legitimately far above any normal spell, for that, they need to follow requirements
  • The owner of the spell needs to have a higher magical power level than Lance from the tournament arc
  • The spell should be be represented as being massively above any normal spell of the wizard
  • The spell MUST be demonstrated as having focus on attack potency
Now, the spells that will have this multiplier are

Sounds Metamorphose
Secondths
Not every Secondth will get this multiplier, of course, only those that are focused on destruction and power, since some are just hax
Summons
Thirds


Of course, this is not going to be a consistent multiplier, it is just a low-end for most cases

Summon + Thirds
A Summon enhances someone's magic and the level of magic power you can unleash is incomparable.
Any Thirds needs the user to activate the Summon first, as shown with Lance and Famin
It is basically an amplifier being used when the wizard is already being amplified. Imagine this as Goku using kaioken while at SSJ
Attack Potency
7-C to High 7-C
Mash throwing a scorpion = 31 Kilotons (7-C)
Magia Lapus and Dot
Silva has shown capable of withstanding punches from Mash in the same instance two times

Silva's durability ~ 31 Kilotons

Gehtsk is a lot tougher than Silva.

Gehtsk's durability > Silva's durability ~ 31 Kilotons

Dot is able to oneshot Gehtsk via Explomb Bomb, a spell that multiplies the power by 5 times. Therefore, his normal attacks are 5 times weaker than Gehtsk's durability

Explomb Bomb >> Gehtsk's durability > Silva's durability ~ 31 Kilotons >>> Dot's Attack Potency ~ 6.2 Kilotons

Both Gehtsk and Silva are easly above Dot's magic power. Dot, however, is capable to withstand attacks from both with difficulty

Explomb Bomb >> Gehtsk's durability > Silva's durability ~ 31 Kilotons >>> Gehtsk's attack potency > Silva's Attack Potency > Dot's durability ~ Dot's Attack Potency ~ 6.2 Kilotons

Any
Magia Lapus member must be massively above Silva. He is considered pathetic and has no chance of joining the group

Durability of a Magia Lapus member = Gehtsk's durability > Silva's durability ~ 31 Kilotons >>> AP of a Magia Lapus member = Gehtsk's attack potency > Silva's Attack Potency > Dot's durability ~ Dot's Attack Potency ~ 6.2 Kilotons
Lance and Wirth
Lance can damage Wirth, one of the strongest members of Magia Lapus, and if there were any surfaces, Wirth would be severely damaged.

Lance's Attack Potency >~ Wirth's durability ~ Gehtsk's durability > Silva's durability ~ 31 Kilotons >>> Gehtsk's attack potency > Silva's Attack Potency > Dot's durability ~ Dot's Attack Potency ~ 6.2 Kilotons

Wirth and Lance are comparable, what makes the difference is the environment. Lance is capable to withstand Wirth's magic attacks with difficulty

Wirth's Attack Potency ~ Lance's Attack Potency >~ Lance's durability ~ Wirth's durability > Gehtsk's durability > Silva's durability ~ 31 Kilotons >>> Gehtsk's attack potency > Silva's Attack Potency > Dot's durability ~ Dot's Attack Potency ~ 6.2 Kilotons

Lance and Wirth get a 10x multiplier via Secondths as explained before

Mudoro Devilus and Torture Pole = 310 Kilotons (High 7-C)
Dot's Ira Kreuz
Dot via Ira Kreuz is showed being capable to easly defeat a Magia Lapus member

Dot's Ira Kreuz > Durability of a Magia Lapus member = Gehtsk's durability > Silva's durability ~ 31 Kilotons >>> AP of a Magia Lapus member = Gehtsk's attack potency > Silva's Attack Potency > Dot's durability ~ Dot's Attack Potency ~ 6.2 Kilotons
High 6-C to Low 6-B
Mash throwing a giant = 121 Gigatons (High 6-C)
Divine Visionaries and Margarette

The giant itself can compete with Mash's strength. He is only thrown away when his feet leave the ground

Mash (Holding back) = 121 Gigatons >~ Giant

The Visionaries would have been able to stop the giant if it were not for the barrier of anti-magic. They also call Mash's feat as a "little show of force". By law, Visionaries are the symbol of power, the pinnacle of magic, it would make no sense for Kaldo and Orter to consider the feat weak if it was something on such a divine level. Especially when Orter is the one who respects the rules as an inevitable order that must always be respected. Even characters that are close to the level of a Visionary he considers to be weak thanks to the worth and not by strength.

"Divine level" > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons >~ Giant

Margarette is at the level of a Visionary and her power is respected by Kaldo and Orter

Margarette = "Divine level" > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons >~ Giant

As explained before, Margarette's Sounds Metamorphose multiplies the power by at least 10 times

Margarette's Sounds Metamorphose = 1.21 Teratons (Low 6-B)
Lévis and Dot's durability
Galuf could potentially fight Margarette

Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons

Lévis is above the rest of his group with the exception of Domina and was capable to easly defeat a weakened Galuf

Lévis > Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" (Baseline) > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons

Dot is able to withstand several attacks from Lévis. However, in terms of AP, he can't do much without Ira Kreuz

Dot's durability ~ Lévis > Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" (Baseline) > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons
Lévis's durability and Dot's Ira Kreuz
Lévis can take a punch from Mash, which logically must be at least as strong as the punch that almost killed Galuf

Lévis's durability > Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" (Baseline) > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons

Lévis needs to protect or dodge against Dot's Ira Kreuz attacks, otherwise he would be ******.

Dot's Ira Kreuz > Lévis's durability > Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" (Baseline) > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons

However, as shown, Lévis's spiked balls can easily take the explosions

Spiked balls's durability > Dot's Ira Kreuz > Lévis's durability > Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" (Baseline) > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons
Lance and Dot
Charles was one of the first along with Lévis and Domina to enter the final exam, something Galuf could not do and had to use other means to do so. One of the tests before the final exam is a tournament, which would mean that Charles must be comparable, if not superior, to Galuf.

Charles ~ Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons >~ Giant

Lance can withstand attacks from Charles

Lance's durability ~ Charles's power > Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons

As much as Charles can withstand his own attacks but with much difficulty

Lance's durability ~ Charles's power > Charles's durability ~ Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons

Lance is capable to damage Charles as well as sands that are capable to injury his body

Lance's power ~ Lance's durability ~ Charles's power > Charles's durability ~ Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons

Dot, although inferior to most, not being able to keep up with Lévis nor Galuf, was able to fight together with Lance constantly

Lance's power ~ Lance's durability ~ Charles's power > Charles's durability ~ Galuf ~ Margarette = "Divine level" > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons ~ Dot's power
6-C
Rayne and Margarette are comparable, with both being capable to fight each other. Besides, Rayne is a legitimate Divine Visionary, so I don't think he needs much elaboration.

Rayne = Margarette = "Divine level" > Mash (Holding Back) = 121 Gigatons >~ Giant

Mash after having all parts of his body stabbed, such as neck, head, arm, stomach, legs, arms, ass, etc, was capable to stop Rayne's attacks, who was using 10% of his power

Weakened Mash (Holding Back) > Rayne (10%) = 12.1 Gigatons

Just a few moments before such a confrontation between Rayne and Mash, Mash was fighting Abyss, who could damage and withstand his attacks

Abyss's strength > Weakened Mash (Holding Back) > Rayne (10%) = 12.1 Gigatons

Abel, despite knowing that Abyss was defeated by Mash, he still believed that his dolls were unstoppable

Abel's Dolls > Abyss's strength > Weakened Mash (Holding Back) > Rayne (10%) = 12.1 Gigatons
6-B to High 6-A
Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons (6-B)

At this point the characters are able to amplify their body with magic, so I don't need to differentiate between AP and durability anymore
Lévis's Summon
Mash (Holding Back) can easily obliterate the Invariable Railgun and treats it like a joke

Mash (Holding Back) > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

Although Mash treated the Invariable Railgun as a joke, Lévis still believed that his Summon would defeat Mash easly

Lévis's Summon > Mash (Holding Back) > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

When Mash managed to hit Lévis, Lévis's armor was completely destroyed and he had no chance to compete with Mash

Mash (Holding Back) > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons
Domina
After all this, Lévis says that Mash has no chance against Domina. Even after Lévis's battle, Mash could do nothing against Domina's magic. Not even when Mash was extremely angry he was able to completely defeat Domina's magic. Even after the whole confrontation with Lévis some even imagined that Mash would be obliterated in the first instance

Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

As established, Secondths multiplies power by 10 times

Domina's Secondth = At least 78.6 Teratons (6-B+)

Mash while playing with water ends up overcoming the strength of Domina's Secondth

Mash (Holding Back) > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

After his Secondth being defeated, Domina uses his Summon, and begins to destroy Mash

Domina's Summon > Mash (Holding Back) > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multipler > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

Mash breaks Domina's trident and damages him. He also begins to withstand attacks much more easily

Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

As established, Thirds multiplies power by 10 times

Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury = At least 786 Teratons (6-A)

Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

Mash (At peak) can withstand the Angus's Roar with difficulty

Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons
Mash's AP (At peak)
Doom's 30% can potentially damage Mash.

Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

Mash can match Doom's strenght, although later he loses. Mash was notably at his peak, since soon after losing the power struggle with Doom he saw that he needed to use his unlimited mode

Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons
Delisaster and Rayne + Finn
Delisaster is stronger than Domina

Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Delisaster > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

Now comes the interesting part, even though Delisaster is unskilled and unmotivated, being the only brother who does not have an Thirds, he is still considered stronger than Domina. The most plausible solution would be to assume that his Summon is above Domina's Thirds

Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Delisaster > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

After Rayne being amplified by Finn's Secondth, his power become equals Delisaster's

Rayne + Finn = Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Delisaster > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons
Epidem and Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution
Epidem is stronger than Domina and Delisaster

Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

Epidem's Summon obviously must be above Delisaster's. This is supported by Epidem's Summon being above Lance's Thirds

Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

As established, Thirds multiplies power by 10 times

Sisyphus Inclination = At least 7.86 Petatons, likely higher (High 6-A)

Dot using Ira Kreuz Evolution is able to keep up with Epidem's Thirds and later destroy the same

Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons
Lance and Dot (Base)
Dot is able to withstand attacks from Epidem. Showed being capable to damage Lance with a punch. However, he is clearly far inferior to Epidem

Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > Dot > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

Lance is able to withstand and stop Epidem's attacks, and is also able to force Epidem to defend himself from his attacks. Showed being capable to damage Dot with punchs. However, just like Dot, he is clearly far inferior to Epidem as well

Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > Lance ~ Dot > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

As established, Summons and Thirds multiplies power by 10 times

God of the Stars = 78.6 Teratons (6-B+)

Nemesis Inclination = 786 Teratons (6-A)
Rayne + Finn's Magic fusion and Doom (50%)
After Rayne and Finn fuse their magic, Doom considered them "above an average mage" and worthy of facing him using 50% of his power (Ignore the translation "half my power", it's wrong). Such a thing did not happen when Doom defeated Lance and Dot (Both at peak)

Rayne and Finn's Magic fusion > Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > Lance ~ Dot > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

It should be noted that Rayne and Finn was not able to scratch Doom even when he was using less than 50%. And at 50%, Doom can destroy Rayne and Finn with a single finger

Doom's 50% > Doom using less than 50% > Rayne and Finn's Magic fusion > Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > Lance ~ Dot > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons
Orter and Famin
Orter is above Doom's 50%. Doom even had to use 60% to have a chance

Orter > Doom's 50% > Doom using less than 50% > Rayne and Finn's Magic fusion > Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > Lance ~ Dot > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

Famin can block Orter's attacks and damage him

Famin ~ Orter > Doom's 50% > Doom using less than 50% > Rayne and Finn's Magic fusion > Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > Lance ~ Dot > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

As established, Summon multiplies power by 10 times

Orter and Famin's Summons = At least 78.6 Petatons, likely higher (High 6-A)
Unlimited Physical Mode
Mash's Unlimited Physical Mode would legitimately damage Doom's 50% in such a massive way that he was forced to use his personal magic

Mash's Unlimited Physical Mode > Famin ~ Orter > Doom's 50% > Doom using less than 50% > Rayne and Finn's Magic fusion > Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > Lance ~ Dot > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons
Doom (60% to 70%) and Rhyo
Just by walking, Doom at 60% easily overcomes Orter's strength. The difference from 50% to 60% is so insane that even with Orter fighting together with Finn, someone capable of amplifying the statistics to the unimaginable, he (And Rayne) were unable to stop an air wave created by Doom

Double-Line Finn's aura of magic is so strong that it is able to overcome Rayne's swords. These swords were created when Rayne was at the base, so this would make Double-Line Finn's magic powerful enough to be High 6-C.
Making Finn stronger than Lance's magic level in the tournament arc.
The ampilifier was also shown to be strong enough to make a gap between 6-B and 6-A be nothing.
So, due to these factors, plus the fact that the amplifier is through a Secondth, Orter being amplified by Finn gets a 10x amplifier as a low-end

Doom's 60% > Orter + Rayne + Finn > 78.6 Petatons = 10 multipler > Famin ~ Orter > Doom's 50% > Doom using less than 50% > Rayne and Finn's Magic fusion > Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > Lance ~ Dot > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

Doom's 60% is not able to damage Rhyo's body, the hottest guy in the world. By the fact that Doom at 60% can't do shit againt Rhyo, he start to use 70%, something that change nothing

Rhyo > Doom's 70% > How strong Doom thought Rhyo was > Doom's 60% > Orter + Rayne + Finn > 78.6 Petatons = 10 multipler > Famin ~ Orter > Doom's 50% > Doom using less than 50% > Rayne and Finn's Magic fusion > Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > Lance ~ Dot > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons
Unrestricted Mash
Unrestricted Mash can damage and break the Doom's sword, something that not even Rhyo was capable

Unrestricted Mash > Rhyo > Doom's 70% > How strong Doom thought Rhyo was > Doom's 60% > Orter + Rayne + Finn > 78.6 Petatons = 10 multipler > Famin ~ Orter > Doom's 50% > Doom using less than 50% > Rayne and Finn's Magic fusion > Dot's Ira Kreuz Evolution > Sisyphus Inclination > 7.86 Petatons = 10x multipler > Epidem's Summon > Delisaster's Summon > Angus's Roar and Poseidon Extreme Fury > Mash's AP (At peak) ~ Doom's 30% ~ Mash's durability (At peak) > 786 Teratons = 10x multipler > Mash (Holding back) ~ Domina's Summon > Mash playing with water > Domina's Secondth > 78.6 Teratons = 10x multiplier > Epidem > Delisaster > Domina > Lance ~ Dot > How strong Mash was against Lévis > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons
Conclusion
Im gonna kill myself
 
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I should mention that I agree

Also, since we're using Korean Scans now, shouldn't it be mentioned that Ryoh seems to have considerable cracked Caladbolg? After Doom was sent flying from Ryoh's attacks, there seems to be 3 chips in total.
 
I think if enough of us agree it can be added. I guess we just grew accustomed to only needing staff votes which is fair most times.
 
Dang... Seems legit but where did the 6.1 kilotons come from?
Dot is 5x weaker than his Explomn bomb, so that would be the 6.1 Kilotons

Also I find it funny how Dot went from the weakest main character outside of Finn, to top tier where he's the second most powerful in his group, only surpassed by Mash
 
Mash (Holding Back) can easily obliterate the Invariable Railgun and treats it like a joke

Mash (Holding Back) > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

Although Mash treated the Invariable Railgun as a joke, Lévis still believed that his Summon would defeat Mash easly

Lévis's Summon > Mash (Holding Back) > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons

When Mash managed to hit Lévis, Lévis's armor was completely destroyed and he had no chance to compete with Mash

Mash (Holding Back) > Lévis's Summon > How strong Lévis thought Mash was > Invariable Railgun = 7.86 Teratons
Considering Levi's summon is Severa Times stronger, it's would give us Multiplier from the Railgun wich is 31,44 Terratons

Mash should scale higher than that because he overpowering it.
 
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By the way, rereading some chapters, should Finn's Secondth have a 10 times multiplier?

Finn's aura of magic becomes so strong that it is able to overcome Rayne's swords. These swords were created when Rayne was at the base, so this would make Fiin's magic powerful enough to be High 6-C.
Making Finn stronger than Lance's magic level in the tournament arc.

The ampilifier was also shown to be strong enough to make a gap between 6-B and 6-A be nothing.

So, for example, when Finn was fighting together with Orter, should Orter also receive a 10 times apilifier as an Low-end?
This would simply fix up the things a bit, since it wouldn't make Famin and Orter have the highest values shown so far via Summon
 
Another thing, where would Wahlberg go? Same with Meliadoul. And would IZ's base post fight be High 6-A due to taking hits from UPM Mash?
As I said, I didn't put all the characters here, only the "key" ones
Wahlberg is gonna have the same rating as Domina, since they are comparable (Except in terms of Thirds, since Whalberg's is Hax)
Meliadoul is Unknown so far
And yes, IZ is gonna be High 6-A
 
You said that it's only granted LS , I show you how LS is related.

His railgun use magnetic force to lauched the projectile, he use lightning magic to increasing the magnetic force, greater magnetic force he produce = greater AP
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By the way, rereading some chapters, should Finn's Secondth have a 10 times multiplier?

Finn's aura of magic becomes so strong that it is able to overcome Rayne's swords. These swords were created when Rayne was at the base, so this would make Fiin's magic powerful enough to be High 6-C.
Making Finn stronger than Lance's magic level in the tournament arc.

The ampilifier was also shown to be strong enough to make a gap between 6-B and 6-A be nothing.

So, for example, when Finn was fighting together with Orter, should Orter also receive a 10 times apilifier as an Low-end?
This would simply fix up the things a bit, since it wouldn't make Famin and Orter have the highest values shown so far via Summon
I agree with this and I have similar idea in the provious crt or grneral thread if i recall correctly.
 
You said that it's only granted LS , I show you how LS is related
The scan is literally talking about the explosive force that muscles can generate through LS. There is no correlation with magic, much less with magnetism. It would be correlated if the one who got several times stronger was Mash
His railgun use magnetic force to lauched the projectile
A Railgun does not work only by magnetic force tho
greater magnetic force he produce = greater AP
This would only work if Lévis's Summon was something like a cannon, but it is just armor that makes him punch things. Magnetic force attracts and repels, there is no correlation with AP here, nor is it established such.
If it was an explicit statement about potency, like just using "many times stronger than most magic", than would work. But Lévis made it explicit that it was only the magnetic force that was several times stronger
I agree with this and I have similar idea in the provious crt or grneral thread if i recall correctly
Great. I'm gonna edit the thread tomorrow
 
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The scan is literally talking about the explosive force that muscles can generate through LS. There is no correlation with magic, much less with magnetism. It would be correlated if the one who got several times stronger was Mash
Of course it did, Levi's magic use Magnetic force repel things, lightning magic increasing the force of his magnet magic so with that his railgun can work this is simply means higher magnetic force = higher AP. Levi's armor make him can swift the magnetic pole within his armor repelling with higher force and attracting with equal amount of force.
Levi's Adamas armor = 4x> Levi's Railgun.
Levi's Adamas armor > Mash > Levi's railgun.

A Railgun does not work only by magnetic force tho
It does, electrical things just to increasing the magnetic force.
This would only work if Lévis's Summon was something like a cannon, but it is just armor that makes him punch things. Magnetic force attracts and repels, there is no correlation with AP here, nor is it established such.
If it was an explicit statement about potency, like just using "many times stronger than most magic", than would work. But Lévis made it explicit that it was only the magnetic force that was several times stronger
I've explain above, he repel and attract with higher force, if the force have the same value with his Railgun then Mash would simply break through it and Levi's puched Mash with higher force via attracting force.
 
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