Mashle magic system and multipliers

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Based on this. I disagree with how this is applied, but since it is accepted on the site...

• High-class wizards are able to amplify their body's capabilities to the limit using magic
• Strenghtening Magic its a physical boost
• This allows wizards to be able to amplify their speed
• Doom, by amplifying his magical power, was able to multiply his speed
• As well as the lifting strenght
• After Domina amplified his magic power, Mash, who was able to damage base Domina with a casual punch, was now unable to cause a scratch on his face with a Deltroid Magic: Barbarian Punch
• Dot, by amplifying his magic, is able to overcome Epidem's speed and reaction easly
• With Epidem amplifying his magical power he became able to keep up with Lance's Nemesis, something he was not able to do

There are more examples

Basically, for high-level wizards capable of using Strenghtening Magic, increasing magic power is the same as increasing durability, LS and speed

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Following

 

[KingTempest]

I don't even like this shit

Based on this

And I actively disagreed
So I'll stay neutral for consistency, I won't accept a weird concept for a verse because another verse has the same weird concept

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I don't like it either.

But well, we live in society. Sooner or later many verses will keep trying to use the same logic until someone decides to put an end to it.

But util then, why not try?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Besides, it won't be so absurd. The verse will only get a speed multiplier of 100 times

 

[WrongIdea21]

I agree with this.

Having a large magic capacity must also have more durable body not just greater magical Capability, because if the body can't withstand it then it will damage the user's own body when it released.

Anyway did secondth spell just Boosting destructive type of Magic? Because Secondth is increasing all of their Magic type Capability on a different layer by increasing their magic power, as Example Sound Magic's Secondth spell is increasing the effect and range, Gravity Magic's Secondth spell is increasing the force of their Gravity, etc.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Having a large magic capacity must also have more durable body not just greater magical Capability, because if the body can't withstand it then it will damage the user's own body when it released.

To be honest, I interpret this differently. I believe it is because Innocent Zero has reached such a high level of magical power that he has broken the limit of what a human could achieve, or rather, of his artificial body.

Anyway did secondth spell just Boosting destructive type of Magic? Because Secondth is increasing all of their Magic type Capability on a different layer by increasing their magic power, as Example Sound Magic's Secondth spell is increasing the effect and range, Gravity Magic's Secondth spell is increasing the force of their Gravity, etc.

Yeah, of course

 

[WrongIdea21]

To be honest, I interpret this differently. I believe it is because Innocent Zero has reached such a high level of magical power that he has broken the limit of what a human could achieve, or rather, of his artificial body.

Yeah, the Logic was there. Human Body have a Limit of their body, Have so much magic power that their body cant handle is hurting theirself by releasing it, not being have it.

Yeah, of course

I though some people doesnt agree with those Idea. So Non destructive Secondth type would also have that Multiplier.

 

[Le'garde273]

It's pretty weird tbh in those thread why it can be accepted. Because i believe DT ever said no matter how powerful strength or speed got amplify, without any direct statement said "character got x-times stronger/faster" it won't be multiplier or simply just become "higher" rating

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I though some people doesnt agree with those Idea. So Non destructive Secondth type would also have that Multiplier.

Secondths are a new extension for a wizard. Some are simply absorption, others are raw power. There are some things that are simply not possible to apply a multiplier to. What I agreed with you is about Secondths being an extension of magical ability

 

[WrongIdea21]

It's pretty weird tbh in those thread why it can be accepted. Because i believe DT ever said no matter how powerful strength or speed got amplify, without any direct statement said "character got x-times stronger/faster" it won't be multiplier or simply just become "higher" rating

Uh, those scans above just a support evidence that Increasing Magic power= enhanced Their physical Capability, we Already found the Multiplier method.

 

[WrongIdea21]

Secondths are a new extension for a wizard. Some are simply absorption, others are raw power. There are some things that are simply not possible to apply a multiplier to. What I agreed with you is about Secondths being an extension of magical ability

It wouldnt make sense if the Multiplier only applied on destructive type only, it's should be apply for other type of Magic. Like Famin's transparent magic make him completely undetected, better than before. The point is Their Magic Capability is got that Multiplier/ Buff not just those magic that base on destructive type.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

It is fine by me to assume that the magical abilities have been multiplied. What I am against is assuming that Famin's Thirds, which is based on erasing his existence from people's perception, gains a 10 times greater attack power even though this makes no sense and has never been established

 

[WrongIdea21]

Yup, it's not my point anyway.

 

[PrinceofPein]

"Everyday we stray further away from God"

Anyway who am I to disagree, so neutral

 

[Panache_x]

Based on this

It really had to go this way
But does the verse has a specification of 3x Magic increase = 3x Speed increase proportionally?
I mean what's the proportionality depiction between Magic and Speed in the verse.
Cause BC's wanked proportionality application to other Verses would be wild without the verse having its own proportionality depiction.
Maybe I missed it somewhere in OP

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Doom, by increasing the percentage of his magic power, consequently multiplied his speed by two as well. In the same chapter it is shown that percentages multiply not only speed, but strength as well

 

[Panache_x]

Doom, by increasing the percentage of his magic power, consequently multiplied his speed by two as well. In the same chapter it is shown that percentages multiply not only speed, but strength as well

Was the percentage magic increase directly proportional to speed?
I'm not making inquiries if speed was increased by two due to a certain percentage increase of magic
The value of the 50% magic might be a 1000, then applying it to speed caused a 2x increase. That would mean it's not directly proportional.
In BC there were two explicits, one with Zora clear 2x magic = 2x Speed and another with Magna equating his and Dante magic to 501 in value and they became exactly relative in speed.

Just trying to avoid a "it happened in that verse" application

 

[Arnoldstone18]

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[LIFE_OF_KING]

Was the percentage magic increase directly proportional to speed?

"I've got more than speed"

The value of the 50% magic might be a 1000, then applying it to speed caused a 2x increase.

That is not how it works in Mashle. Nothing implies that wizards can focus magic on just a single physical capacity. As shown in the Thread, the capabilities in general are amplified, nothing more and nothing less

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whats up

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You didn’t have to reference my thread

Basically, for high-level wizards capable of using Strenghtening Magic, increasing magic power is the same as increasing durability, LS and speed

So what now? I agree with this…

but do you at least have a statement that shows boosting magic boosts all these to the same degree? Y’know like Zora and Magna from my thread.. or you just messing with me

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I was kicked from the thread already, huh

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I was kicked from the thread already, huh

wdym?

btw link me y’all discussion thread

 

[AnAverageUsername]

wdym?

stopped receiving notifs.

btw link me y’all discussion thread

https://vsbattles.com/threads/mashle-magic-and-muscles-discussion-thread.110526/

 

[CloverDragon03]

This was the same thing I've touched on before, that you need an explicit statement of this. That, for example, doubling magic would mean doubling speed. I'm looking at Mash's profile and I'm seeing this guy who gets a 2x speed buff from going from 30% to 50% which... doesn't add up at all.

You're referencing a thread that had something like this to support it. Simply showing increases to speed doesn't mean an increase in magic means that same level of increase to speed.

 

[Panache_x]

That is not how it works in Mashle. Nothing implies that wizards can focus magic on just a single physical capacity. As shown in the Thread, the capabilities in general are amplified, nothing more and nothing less

Now, I don't know if u're intentionally doing this or u simply can't understand yet.
I'm not asking if Magic boots all sort of physical characteristics
I'm Asking What Is the Proportionality Of The Magic Increase To The Stats Being increased
What is the validation of 2x Magic increase = 2x Speed/Physical Capabilities.
I already told u before, The Black Clover Ideology is solidly built on a 2x Magic Increase = 2x Speed.
You didn't provide such information on your notations rather, you simply associated it to Black Clover. That's a terrible association fallacy if such basis is nonexistent in the verse.
Almost every single verse has their stats generally boosted when the character increases the energy within them. So unless you don't wanna be seeing a "Naruto Multipliers Acceptance" thread next, you should provide the verse's own fundamental proportionality or settle for an unquantifiable "higher"

 

[Arnoldstone18]

That is why I said there is nothing to worry about with other verses because I know many verses with a power system boost also apply to stats. but if there is no statement for that power system like "Fine, equalize our magic so we can fight on equally" or "doubles magic; doubles speed and power boost". Only a handful have power system statements. In BC's case, these statements were in a character's magic-boosting abilities like Zora and Magna. So if Mash has a general statement or a statement about magic power in one or two character abilities, then show us so you can proceed to the next step I guess.

 

[Samlex1234]

Following.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I was playing a plague tale requiem, so I took a while to comment

But at end, you guys can close this for now. If you people disagree with the scans that I showed, to be honest I don't know what will change your mind.

Doom's percentages are back in the new chapters. If something comes up again, I'll come back here as well