MASHLE: Magic and Muscles Discussion Thread

[AnAverageUsername]

Though it also wouldn't be a bummer, since it would mean a stronger Mash.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Also why won't Mash have an 8B key anymore? Another forest recalc?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

A 7-C calc for Mash

 

[AnAverageUsername]

....Never would have expected a scorpion being thrown would be more impressive than Brad's forest destruction hype.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Also wait a minute, wouldn't this mean Silva would be tier 7 due to harming Mash with his iron magic?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Damaging Mash is being stronger than his casual, and a hand movement is very casual (The 7-C feat), so yeah

Mash in first key is "At least 7-C, likely far higher"
While people who are stronger than his casual movements (Like Lance and Silva) will be something like "At least 7-C"

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Damaging Mash is being stronger than his casual, and a hand movement is very casual (The 7-C feat), so yeah

Mash in first key is "At least 7-C, likely far higher"
While people whoare stronger than his casual movements (Like Lance and Silva) will be something like "At least 7-C"

So would this apply to most of the Magia Lupus as well?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

One of the weakest is stronger than Silva, so yes

 

[WrongIdea21]

Oh nice, 7C to 7A+ , i like that.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Hopefully in the future we reach tier 6.

 

[WrongIdea21]

Hopefully in the future we reach tier 6.

This verse already 50% Done, I'd rather have Feats Speed in the future at least Everyone can scale at least Mhs+ or higher

 

[WrongIdea21]

I realy need to see Ryoh magic ( Light Cane) and Renatus magic ( Immortal Cane), both of them had interesting Magic

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This verse already 50% Done

I doubt it

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I doubt it

Yeah, it might get extended, but for now we should take Komoto's word as truth.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Also how do I create a draft for a character profile, I wanna try to make one for Wirth.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

At current status it is almost impossible to finish in just 70 more chapters.

• It is still necessary to show all the visionaries
• Mash still needs to become a visionary
• It is still necessary to show Zero's 5 children and explore
• It is still necessary for Mash to reach at least a fraction of Baigan's power to defeat any son, so I believe he will have something of a training arc with visionaries
• Zero's location has not even been discovered yet

To complete all this you need at least 150 chapters

 

[AnAverageUsername]

At current status it is almost impossible to finish in just 70 more chapters.

• It is still necessary to show all the visionaries
• Mash still needs to become a visionary
• It is still necessary to show Zero's 5 children and explore
• It is still necessary for Mash to reach at least a fraction of Baigan's power to defeat any son, so I believe he will have something of a training arc
• Zero's location has not even been discovered yet

To complete all this you need at least 150 chapters

All of these are good points. I just think its safe to take Komoto's word, and if he does make Mashle go on longer, then hey, that means more Mashle.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Don't know if I should be saying this, but the korean scans have been out and hoo boy, Orter has a good feat that may or may not be calculable.

 

[WrongIdea21]

I used to see Raw scans on Facebook, although I don't really like spoilers, especially for this verse.

 

[WrongIdea21]

Hi guys, Since we already have some Calc, what if we made the profile page? but I don't know how to make it.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I am already creating

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I am already creating

Heads up, the Dot calc leads to the Lance calc when clicked on.

 

[Metalballrun]

I am already creating

I don't think the Mash supersonic+ reaction calc makes sense.
It was simply sound travelling faster on solid ground IIRC, and Mash's insane reflexes picking up on it. It's not the same as reacting to an attack. At best it's an impressive heightened senses feat.
Especially with how many times Mash fails to react to transonic Macaron.
Other than that I suppose it's looking good.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Mash was able to react to the attacks, he just wasn't able to strike back, since Margarette was more than 50 meters per second ahead of him. The insane reflexes are obviously part of the reaction

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Also wow, Mash is the fastest subsonic now, that's some good shit.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Also can anybody explain what was happening in this panel, specifically the white planes or whatever they are?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

 

[Metalballrun]

There are instances where Mash cannot visually follow Margaret's movements. That wouldn't happen if he had supersonic+ reactions. Do note that I'm not saying that Mash is completely unable to react to Macaron either.
Neither would Mash need to rely on the sound travelling on the ground to help him against a transonic attack, if he actually had supersonic+ reactions. That's just misleading.

The attack just sent sound waves that travelled faster, hence it reached Mash much faster, and Mash sensed the subtle vibrations in the wall, allowing him to deal with Macaron's transonic attack.
Mash didn't react to a Hypersonic+ movement at all. Not that it has nothing to do with speed entirely, just that it's not an explicitly direct translation to reaction speed, and that it has more to do with Mash sensing the soundwaves when it would've been too subtle for other characters to notice.

Well that's just my opinion, and I probably should've made this comment on the blog instead, but just putting this out here.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Also can anybody explain what was happening in this panel, specifically the white planes or whatever they are?

what

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

There are instances where Mash cannot visually follow Margaret's movements. That wouldn't happen if he had supersonic+ reactions. Do note that I'm not saying that Mash is completely unable to react to Macaron either.

I think you are confusing reaction speed with combat speed. You react to something doesn't mean that you will be able to attack at the same speed, you will only be able to perceive x thing at y speed, but it doesn't mean that you will move or attack at the same speed as x.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

what

I'm a dumbass that doesnt know how to post pictures with text

 

[Metalballrun]

I think you are confusing reaction speed with combat speed. You react to something doesn't mean that you will be able to attack at the same speed, you will only be able to perceive x thing at y speed, but it doesn't mean that you will move or attack at the same speed as x.

I am not, I think that's perfectly clear.
There's even the panel where Mash says "Huh", more than likely because he didn't see Macaron move out of the way of his attack.
I have not talked about Mash not catching or moving at the same speed as Macaron.

A normal human can feel an Earthquake (seismic waves) on the ground, it doesn't mean we're reacting to and/or perceiving these waves at supersonic/hypersonic speeds.

 

[Metalballrun]

And with regards to Mash's otherwordly reflexes, it's more about his MuscleForce TM being able to detect the sound waves travelling on the ground/wall than him having supersonic+ reactions.
Comparatively (and a bit tangent), someone can have supersonic+ reactions but not be able to do what Mash did because their reflexes (and muscles) aren't as good and as trained as Mash's.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I thought better of it, the supersonic+ should be removed, youre right.

I will write the thermology now

 

[AnAverageUsername]

So Mash stays below transonic in anything for speed. What a bummer.

 

[EnderLord8]

In fact, it is still possible to emerge a better speed effect now that the fight with Margarette is over and it is possible that another feat faster than the sound will eventually emerge.

Although this is a bit lame, as a considerable amount of feats have been presented above the transonic.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I don't remember any feat above transonic that is not done by Top-Tiers and God-Tiers

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I don't remember any feat above transonic that is not done by Top-Tiers and God-Tiers

I guess the whole feat of Mash dodging the Sounds magic by digging could count, but people have said it's most likely an outlier so eh.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

It is not Outlier. I calculated the majority, the result was subsonic. There was only one scene where the result was hypersonic, but Mash was probably just dodging before the attack happened.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Well then there really isn't any supersonic feats for Mash that anybody has brought up