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MASHLE: Magic and Muscles Discussion Thread

I like how creative Mash can be because no one would have expected him to do a one man bucket brigade and circumvent Dominia's intangibility by getting rid of all of his water.

Also, where did Mash get the bucket? Did he make it with his iron wand cause that would be neat
 
Mods would probably require a low-end with normal human perception timeframe, considering FTL+ is much much higher than anything else and this is a shounen instead of some obscure light novel
 
Epiccheev said:
Mods would probably require a low-end with normal human perception timeframe, considering FTL+ is much much higher than anything else and this is a shounen instead of some obscure light novel
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We've always had low ends with feats, it doesn't really change much. It'd be really helpful if we had concrete timeframes or sized, like for that supposed "country decimating" railgun.
 
But in this case, who would it be? Because the two characters that are there are watching what he's doing, if it's one of them it doesn't make sense
 
USklaverei said:
But in this case, who would it be? Because the two characters that are there are watching what he's doing, if it's one of them it doesn't make sense
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Are you seriously saying that Mash is not faster than Domina's perception? Yes, indeed Finn can see Mash, but this is more like a joke in the verse
 
He may be faster than his perception, but that doesn't mean the feat was accomplished without him noticing anything, and he was even commenting on what he was doing.
 
USklaverei said:
He may be faster than his perception, but that doesn't mean the feat was accomplished without him noticing anything, and he was even commenting on what he was doing.
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Nah, that Finn seeing the feat is just a joke on the verse. He himself says that getting close to the speed of sound is something impossible, and he can perceive things that Mash's opponent doesn't even see happening in any battle. It's more part of the plot than an anti-feat

Unless you are saying that Domina, one of the most powerful mages in the verse and who defeated a Divine Visionary as a child, has less reaction speed than Finn, someone who is below average
 
Actually it doesn't matter, you can't prove that he did it all in 0.00041649312 seconds, since you only have the beginning of the feat where there are several afterimages of Mash and he wonders where he is, and that might as well be referring to the images
 
I think I've found some good shots to find the distance. How are these?

Also, keep in mind that this is Mash at his full power, not holding back. I don't think anything contradicts this, Domina wasn't even able to see Mash's bucket brigade until he even tried to focus. Mash was basically a statue to Domina, and not in the way it'd be favorable for Domina.
 
USklaverei said:
But in this case, who would it be? Because the two characters that are there are watching what he's doing, if it's one of them it doesn't make sense
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Also, responding from this, the mach 7 is from Levis' railgun feat, which his blatantly stated by Levis himself. Mash was able to react to it, and supposedly we are assuming Domina blitzed Mash's perception.
 
USklaverei said:
It would have to be FTE for this to be used, which was not the case.
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And we already have FTE feets, with quite possibly the fastest subsonic calc on this site? I honestly dont know what you're saying. If Domina can react to base Mash, and we use that, it'd still be very fast, right?
 
Dishonesty is you trying to jack off this to FTL+
The character is literally talking about what he's doing, but you still want to consider it as if the character didn't even see what happened.
 
So, whether it's a joke or not, you're wanting to consider something that didn't happen, if you could see the fact, then that's it, you can't use the perception time
 
USklaverei said:
Dishonesty is you trying to jack off this to FTL+
The character is literally talking about what he's doing, but you still want to consider it as if the character didn't even see what happened.
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Ok wait I think I understand. You're confusing Domina with Finn. Finn is the one explaining the whole feat. He's basically used as the "explainer", to shout out stuff like "Wow this is impossible!" to hype up feats further. He's always been able to see these sorts of things as a gag. Either its intentional with him not having pupils, or it's just gag bullshitery. Either way, if we go with the former, it would NOT scale to his actual movement speed.
 
Domina is the one getting his ass kicked by Mash by getting blitzed. And, in theory, Domina should already be superior to Levis, due to being a creation/son of Innocent Zero, automatically making him one of the most powerful characters in verse.
 
Domina at the beginning of the fight can't understand what happened to his spell on page 6

In the same panel Domina says that his Poseidon is getting smaller and he can't even tell why, and later it is shown from Mash's perspective what is going on

Throughout the chapter Domina is not able to correctly understand what is going on and at no point does he show that he is able to know where Mash is. Literally at no point is it legitimate to say whether Domina knows what Mash is doing

To say that the feat is not valid because Finn saw what happened is bullshit, since it is literally a joke in the verse. Domina is literally in the top 5 strongest mage in the entire verse and he can't even sense the presence of Mash's movements, and yet you're saying he's not even at FTE speed? Come on man
 
Also, Mash was already FTE in base to begin with, almost being able to contend with sound. And before anyone brings it up, he was restrained while doing all of that. Also, we already have a potential size for Poseidon, why cant we just angsize the distance or whatever it's called, and then calculate the speed from there.
 
Here we see him thinking about it and saying he's fast, so tell me, how can you use his perception speed when he can think while the feat happens?
To use the speed of perception, everything would have to happen without him even being able to think during it, for him it would be as if nothing had happened, then he literally can perceive that it is happening
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But it is obvious. It is even mentioned that Mash is moving the water from Poseidon's body thousands of times every moment, he didn't do it all in one second
 
USklaverei said:
Here we see him thinking about it and saying he's fast, so tell me, how can you use his perception speed when he can think while the feat happens?
To use the speed of perception, everything would have to happen without him even being able to think during it, for him it would be as if nothing had happened, then he literally can perceive that it is happening
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Firstly, how are you able to post images directly here? Honest question.

Secondly, eh, Mashle speed is always janky. But even then, at first, Domina wasn't even able to perceive Mash when he wasn't messing around with Domina. Domina had to focus in on Mash, and while he did this, he was still blitzed to kingdom come. And when Mash scooped up Domina himself, Domina wasn't able to react. We can easily assume Domina knew that Mash was scooping him up do to focusing earlier.
 
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