MASHLE: Magic and Muscles Discussion Thread

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Casuality Manipulation only works with magic users, it removes the cause and effect of a magic, it does not work with physical and non-magical attacks.

Death manipulation has never been shown to be useful. It only killed a few nearby flowers, but was never shown to be useful against people or usable in battle.

The ki makes him have precog, but that's not as useful against much more skilled people. And considering Mash's acrobatics in the most recent arc, I doubt it's useful, since precog is extremely limited

 

[WrongIdea21]

... wtf

No cap

 

[WrongIdea21]

Casuality Manipulation only works with magic users, it removes the cause and effect of a magic, it does not work with physical and non-magical attacks.

Death manipulation has never been shown to be useful. It only killed a few nearby flowers, but was never shown to be useful against people or usable in battle.

The ki makes him have precog, but that's not as useful against much more skilled people. And considering Mash's acrobatics in the most recent arc, I doubt it's useful, since precog is extremely limited

Mash Had all of Acrobatic Ability

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Okay, after rereading a few chapters I am really bothered by the idea of Mash being subsonic

• Feats
  • Mash with one run created a shockwave
  • Created shockwaves with his fingers
  • He did it again
    • Creating shockwaves is at least transonic
  • He performed a hypersonic+ feat
  • Mash is able to keep up with sound attacks without difficulty (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
  • It is stated to be faster than sound
  • Mash and Margarette are able to move while rocks are in slow motion (Hypersonic+)
• Anti-feats
  • Mash is considered to be someone slower than Margarette, who was moving through sound waves
    • This happens for 2 chapters in a row

Therefore, we have three options

1. Consider 90% of the manga an outlier
2. Consider that both options are real. For example:
   

   At least Subsonic+, likely Hypersonic+

3. We simply ignore the anti-feats because they are minorities, just like we did with Bleach and One Piece

Thoughts?

 

[WrongIdea21]

I still belive Mash Have Hypersonic+ Reaction Speed and he also have reactive evolution, Mash can reacted to Margarrtte's Movement via Sound Vibration in the Ground he anticipated Sound speed on the air... I'll re read it once again, what a minute

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The AP scale is so consistent, but the speed scale on the other hand is shit

 

[Theendzero13]

Okay, after rereading a few chapters I am really bothered by the idea of Mash being subsonic

• Feats
  • Mash with one run created a shockwave
  • Created shockwaves with his fingers
  • He did it again
    • Creating shockwaves is at least transonic
  • He performed a hypersonic+ feat
  • Mash is able to keep up with sound attacks without difficulty (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
  • It is stated to be faster than sound
  • Mash and Margarette are able to move while rocks are in slow motion (Hypersonic+)
• Anti-feats
  • Mash is considered to be someone slower than Margarette, who was moving through sound waves
    • This happens for 2 chapters in a row

Therefore, we have three options

1. Consider 90% of the manga an outlier
2. Consider that both options are real. For example:
3. We simply ignore the anti-feats because they are minorities, just like we did with Bleach and One Piece

Thoughts?

What anti-feats do we ignore in bleach and one piece?

 

[WrongIdea21]

This is the Final Counter for Mash doesn't surpassed Speed of Sound, Margarette Move at speed of sound mean he Have Sound speed perception,Right? He Clearly Didnt recognized that Mash move from his first Place, Mash can Move FTE to Margarette, like I said He did have Hypersonic+ Reaction Speed but not All of his movement speed.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

What anti-feats do we ignore in bleach and one piece?

In bleach there is Gin who is one of the fastest characters in the verse and is said to move 500 times the speed of sound, but is still considered Sub-Relativistic

In One Piece... Well, the characters are hit by bullets without much difficulty

 

[WrongIdea21]

In bleach there is Gin who is one of the fastest characters in the verse and is said to move 500 times the speed of sound, but is still considered Sub-Relativistic

In One Piece... Well, the characters are hit by bullets without much difficulty

In One Piece even light speed guy scared on Flint lock pistols

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This is the Final Counter for Mash doesn't surpassed Speed of Sound, Margarette Move at speed of sound mean he Have Sound speed perception,Right? He Clearly Didnt recognized that Mash move from his first Place, Mash can Move FTE to Margarette, like I said He did have Hypersonic+ Reaction Speed but not All of his movement speed.

Nha, that's just a dramatic scene. In the next chapter it is said that Margarette was at the speed of sound and that Mash could not catch her.

 

[Theendzero13]

In bleach there is Gin who is one of the fastest characters in the verse and is said to move 500 times the speed of sound, but is still considered Sub-Relativistic

In One Piece... Well, the characters are hit by bullets without much difficulty

Gin is weird because he literally lied about his bankai speed, so the mach 500 thing should only aplies to the casual gin, who scales above beggining KT bankai ichigo who is relatively strong and thus an anti-feat for most of the espada , but it does not matter for people stronger than supressed gin and bankai karakura town ichigo

One piece is weird...but at least that series got lightspeed statements and laser who suit most of our criteria

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Gin is weird because he literally lied about his bankai speed, so the mach 500 thing should only aplies to the casual gin

He lies to frighten his opponent, so in theory the speed would be less

One piece is weird...but at least that series got lightspeed statements and laser who suit most of our criteria

Yes, that's what I said. Usually the site verses ignore the minority (It is called as Outlier)

 

[Theendzero13]

He lies to frighten his opponent, so in theory the speed would be less

Unmasked supports the speed and i always thought that gin lies to fool aizen

 

[Theendzero13]

Yes, that's what I said. Usually the site verses ignore the minority (It is called as Outlier)

Here is the thing even though they are a minority the site still tend to go with statements over feats , one piece got lightspeed statements,bleach got lightning speed statements from dodder to counter the verse capping at mach 500
Mashle realy does not (at least not one that can't be written of as finn being a dumbass )

 

[WrongIdea21]

Nha, that's just a dramatic scene. In the next chapter it is said that Margarette was at the speed of sound and that Mash could not catch her.

She make some Distance from Mash, It is difficult to catch something that consistent move at speed of Sound while you only can Dashing in short periode of time. The Only Mash got hit from Margarette is because Mash doesn't Understand how Margarette' ability works and from his first time anticipated Margarette's Movement he never Got Hit anymore. Margarette choose to not deal with Mash in Physical combat because of that.

 

[Theendzero13]

H

That being said the subsonic + scaling should only cap characters on the level of maragette fight mash and bellow everything else should be free game since mash clearly gets stronger over time

 

[WrongIdea21]

Margarette said it herself that he need to make Distance so Mash can catch her, what Mash can only do is dashing Around in Short time and distance, i think it ia consistent witj the feats.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Here is the thing even though they are a minority the site still tend to go with statements over feats , one piece got lightspeed statements,bleach got lightning speed statements from dodder to counter the verse capping at mach 500

Fun fact: Mashle's characters are said to be faster than sound and Mash was able to dodge a sound attack at close range. Don't think you know more about the site than I do, I know the rules and the logic

She make some Distance from Mash, It is difficult to catch something that consistent move at speed of Sound while you only can Dashing in short periode of time.

That is, you are assuming that someone moving at 9000m/s is not able to catch someone moving at the speed of sound, which makes no sense. The characters themselves say that he is slower than sound at that moment. The best option is to use a "liekly".

At least Subsonic+, likely Hypersonic+

 

[Theendzero13]

Fun fact: Mashle's characters are said to be faster than sound and Mash was able to dodge a sound attack at close range. Don't think you know more about the site than I do, I know the rules and the logic

( at least not one that can't be written as finn being dumb )

 

[AnAverageUsername]

....I wonder what would happen if Mash's travel speed and combat speed were separated.

( at least not one that can't be written as finn being dumb )

Also, Finn can't be that dumb considering he's passing easton and got accepted in the first place. Though some can make the argument that's due to his connections with Rayne.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Besides the fact that Mash in the same scene explicitly dodges a sound attack

 

[Theendzero13]

....I wonder what would happen if Mash's travel speed and combat speed were separated.

Also, Finn can't be that dumb considering he's passing easton and got accepted in the first place. Though some can make the argument that's due to his connections with Rayne.

Now that you mention it i am okay with travel speed and combat speed being separated for mash, so he would get subsonc+ travel and hypersonic+ reactions and combat, travel speed not being comparable is a factual thing for real life atletes , that i forget sometimes due to universal energy systems and having a tendency of calling characters taking to much time to cross relatively short space plot induced stupidt

But yeah that finn scene is ful of plot induced stupidt to begin with, a lot of people could not see mash moving ( including the divine visioneires ) but finn somehow could , i would't put my eggs on that basket

 

[AnAverageUsername]

But yeah that finn scene is ful of plot induced stupidt to begin with, a lot of people could not see mash moving ( including the divine visioneires ) but finn somehow could , i would't put my eggs on that basket

I mean we've seen him make a similar observation before, and even Love had her time to shine with this kind of moment, but they were most likely played for comedy so eh.

 

[WrongIdea21]

That is, you are assuming that someone moving at 9000m/s is not able to catch someone moving at the speed of sound, which makes no sense. The characters themselves say that he is slower than sound at that moment. The best option is to use a "liekly".

Yes if they only have that speed in their reaction speed not all of his movement and Mash speed only in short Distance . Hiw does someone blitz another person with reaction speed?

 

[WrongIdea21]

....I wonder what would happen if Mash's travel speed and combat speed were separated.

Also, Finn can't be that dumb considering he's passing easton and got accepted in the first place. Though some can make the argument that's due to his connections with Rayne.

Ames Family are Famous as Hell, his Cousin(posibly) wich is the Magma master Rhodes Ames, one of the best from Orca Dorm and Finn thr only one who looks like Fodder. Ames connection would make him easly enter the Easton Magic Academy but Finn Personal Magic also a Unique one.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Even if it is up close or not, Mash would be able to catch it without difficulty if it were dozens of times faster, as here. Even up close he had difficulty

Btw, I wrote down all of Mash's skills, did I forget anything?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Ames Family are Famous as Hell, his Cousin(posibly) wich is the Magma master Rhodes Ames, one of the best from Orca Dorm and Finn thr only one who looks like Fodder. Ames connection would make him easly enter the Easton Magic Academy but Finn Personal Magic also a Unique one.

Actually, from what I've heard, the Japenese spelling between Rhodes Ames and Rayne/Finn Ames are different, meaning they share a similar last name, but aren't related.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Btw, I wrote down all of Mash's skills, did I forget anything?

The abilities look good, though it's hard to think of any that are physical based.

 

[WrongIdea21]

Actually, from what I've heard, the Japenese spelling between Rhodes Ames and Rayne/Finn Ames are different, meaning they share a similar last name, but aren't related.

Hmm, intersting but source?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Hmm, intersting but source?

I only heard it somewhere, but it should be easy to find the Japanese scans. I'll go look.

 

[WrongIdea21]

Even if it is up close or not, Mash would be able to catch it without difficulty if it were dozens of times faster, as here. Even up close he had difficulty

But the next Page he can keep up but only half of meter Dashing, his reaction speed not all of his movement.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Hmm, intersting but source?

ローデス•エイムス
Rodesu Eimusu

レイン・エイムズ
Rein Eimuzu

 

[WrongIdea21]

ローデス•エイムス
Rodesu Eimusu

レイン・エイムズ
Rein Eimuzu

Yeah its look similiar but I can see the Different now. Thanks

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Looks like Mashle is on break next week. It's probably due to Komoto getting the second shot of the vaccine.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

So with Mashle on break next week, could we use that time to set up a series page as well as some profiles?

 

[JnSteHar002]

So with Mashle on break next week, could we use that time to set up a series page as well as some profiles?

Yes! What help is needed?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Yes! What help is needed?

Life has already started work on Mash's profile as well as a verse page, and WrongIdea has some profiles worked on. Maybe you could ask them if you could help with those.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Just realized that we finally have ages for some of the students. Mash is confirmed 15, and since his friends should be around his age, they should also be around 15.

 

[WrongIdea21]

I think 15 yo for Freshman Students is accurate since Magic acadamy looks like High school to me.