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Masadaverse Discussion Thread 24
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well, at least this is the first showing that their verse isnt just the planet earth
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TonySansNom said:
and yet no reasonable proof has been shown to actually showcase 1-A besides people putting words in the author's mouth.
and somehow justifying it by quoting machina vs madara when the scene says that it wasnt taikyoku but physical strenght that broke the barrier and are using machina of all people who has the power to destroy basically anything
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your point is???Embracetophats said:
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then rip
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Leader9 said:
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It's like science. It's 100% headcanon.
Logic. You are not told "this is" absolutely.
A character is walking and the author is saying "walking", not moving. Does it mean the character is not moving? Is what you're saying.
and yet no reasonable proof has been shown to actually showcase 1-A besides people putting words in the author's mouth.
and somehow justifying it by quoting machina vs madara when the scene says that it wasnt taikyoku but physical strenght that broke the barrier and are using machina of all people who has the power to destroy basically anything
Actually most of the 1-A stuff comes from Yakou talking about the Throne and Singularity and Yato talking about various parts of the verse.
The only people with those scans are Ravenous and ALRF/Sleepy and they are either gone or dont wanna come here (This specific thread unless for something else), Ravenous is in vacation and has avoided discussing all of this cause he said it was annoying/boring and Alfy who is going into Medical School and also didnt care to debate this either since hes trying to lessen his wiki time.
Logic. You are not told "this is" absolutely.
A character is walking and the author is saying "walking", not moving. Does it mean the character is not moving? Is what you're saying.
and yet no reasonable proof has been shown to actually showcase 1-A besides people putting words in the author's mouth.
and somehow justifying it by quoting machina vs madara when the scene says that it wasnt taikyoku but physical strenght that broke the barrier and are using machina of all people who has the power to destroy basically anything
Actually most of the 1-A stuff comes from Yakou talking about the Throne and Singularity and Yato talking about various parts of the verse.
The only people with those scans are Ravenous and ALRF/Sleepy and they are either gone or dont wanna come here (This specific thread unless for something else), Ravenous is in vacation and has avoided discussing all of this cause he said it was annoying/boring and Alfy who is going into Medical School and also didnt care to debate this either since hes trying to lessen his wiki time.
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well, just gonna leave this here because of pantheon, because it is something i have seen on forums for years now and you guys dont address this, regardless of how high up you want to place taikyoku.
https://ootoriarchives.wordpress.co...e-gods-together-dies-irae-pantheon-episode-0/
it is about the origins of the throne, as well as us knowing for a long time that there are things outside of the throne and the reality under the throne being called a "narrative".
"Their ponderings are interrupted by a strangely familiar voice: "The Truth, the Remorseless, the Morning Star, the Mercury, the Gold, the Moment, the Twilight, the Hajun… Come on, we're still missing two?" The voice calls himself Naraka Interim; when asked about his own divine nature, he responds with "Don't take me for the same shmuck as all of you". Simply put, the gods of the Throne are nothing but software, with Naraka being the hardware that houses all of them. Even Hajun, no matter how potent he is, did not come close to matching his strength. Even the Twilight, no matter how technologically advanced her reign was, did not come close to learning the truth about him.
"Just shut up and wait, will you? This entire thing was made to bring you all together and complete the sephirot. If you're so bored, look around and construct some theories or something. You like that, don't you?", ― says the hardware to the software."
"Q: Is it even possible to affect reality outside of the Throne's narrative? A: It is not; however, the Throne has already underwent a massive change in the past, and it might do it again."
A- did the original universe of the 1st Heaven before the Throne get erased when she took the throne or does it still exist somehow? the fact that Naraka wants to use the throne to accomplish their original goal would imply the latter.
B- if both the throne and that universe still exist at the same time, is the throne essentially the matrix and is that why Naraka calls the gods "software"?
C- is taikyoku something that only started existing after the throne was created and would that make the concept a creation of the Trone itself? (we already know that Naraka who merged with the throne is still above the gods, even hajun) if it preceeded the throne, was it necessary to operate the throne before? let's say that it was. there were many people fighting over it, implying that there were hadou gods before, so why couldnt any of them emanate at will and paint over the universe to the degree that they viewed the throne as a necesary tool to the point of going to war over it?
D- if Naraka wasnt a hadou god, then what is he, considering that he seem to be unafected by infinite taikyoku and is seemingly above the concept itself? is he just a regular human that controls the throne after merging with it? if he is so above the hadou gods, why couldnt he win the war with ease if everyone else at the time was a taikyoku user (assuming the people that fought over the throne had taikyoku)? if he is indeed a regular human (as well as whoever those 4 other entities might be that appear alongside Naraka's representation) and Mithra was the one with taikyoku, what does it say about the nature of hadou gods if a human is so above them and treats them like software?
E- if Naraka is trying to power up a sephiroth with atziluth users like in kabbalah, then is he trying to fight a qliphoth like some fans theorize? would that qliphoth be something like a second throne? what does that say about the cosmology of the verse if 2 thrones can exist? what does it say about taikyoku as a result? does the other side even use taikyoku or something totally different?
F- if there is no 2nd throne like an acquaintance of mine has theorized and the throne at full power is meant to fight something like an extradimensional threat (someone else's theory, not mine), then what does that say about the throne and the cosmology and dimensional tiering of the verse? because as far as i am aware, the throne is never stated to have erased and replaced any potentially existing dimensional framework that existed beyond its conception besides the 1st space opera universe
TLDR: the ban and the revisions to the lore page should best be kept in place until after pantheon is finished or more about the nature and original purpose of the throne is revealed, because the author may throw a wrench into it and force you wall to rework a lot of stuff from scratch
https://ootoriarchives.wordpress.co...e-gods-together-dies-irae-pantheon-episode-0/
it is about the origins of the throne, as well as us knowing for a long time that there are things outside of the throne and the reality under the throne being called a "narrative".
"Their ponderings are interrupted by a strangely familiar voice: "The Truth, the Remorseless, the Morning Star, the Mercury, the Gold, the Moment, the Twilight, the Hajun… Come on, we're still missing two?" The voice calls himself Naraka Interim; when asked about his own divine nature, he responds with "Don't take me for the same shmuck as all of you". Simply put, the gods of the Throne are nothing but software, with Naraka being the hardware that houses all of them. Even Hajun, no matter how potent he is, did not come close to matching his strength. Even the Twilight, no matter how technologically advanced her reign was, did not come close to learning the truth about him.
"Just shut up and wait, will you? This entire thing was made to bring you all together and complete the sephirot. If you're so bored, look around and construct some theories or something. You like that, don't you?", ― says the hardware to the software."
"Q: Is it even possible to affect reality outside of the Throne's narrative? A: It is not; however, the Throne has already underwent a massive change in the past, and it might do it again."
A- did the original universe of the 1st Heaven before the Throne get erased when she took the throne or does it still exist somehow? the fact that Naraka wants to use the throne to accomplish their original goal would imply the latter.
B- if both the throne and that universe still exist at the same time, is the throne essentially the matrix and is that why Naraka calls the gods "software"?
C- is taikyoku something that only started existing after the throne was created and would that make the concept a creation of the Trone itself? (we already know that Naraka who merged with the throne is still above the gods, even hajun) if it preceeded the throne, was it necessary to operate the throne before? let's say that it was. there were many people fighting over it, implying that there were hadou gods before, so why couldnt any of them emanate at will and paint over the universe to the degree that they viewed the throne as a necesary tool to the point of going to war over it?
D- if Naraka wasnt a hadou god, then what is he, considering that he seem to be unafected by infinite taikyoku and is seemingly above the concept itself? is he just a regular human that controls the throne after merging with it? if he is so above the hadou gods, why couldnt he win the war with ease if everyone else at the time was a taikyoku user (assuming the people that fought over the throne had taikyoku)? if he is indeed a regular human (as well as whoever those 4 other entities might be that appear alongside Naraka's representation) and Mithra was the one with taikyoku, what does it say about the nature of hadou gods if a human is so above them and treats them like software?
E- if Naraka is trying to power up a sephiroth with atziluth users like in kabbalah, then is he trying to fight a qliphoth like some fans theorize? would that qliphoth be something like a second throne? what does that say about the cosmology of the verse if 2 thrones can exist? what does it say about taikyoku as a result? does the other side even use taikyoku or something totally different?
F- if there is no 2nd throne like an acquaintance of mine has theorized and the throne at full power is meant to fight something like an extradimensional threat (someone else's theory, not mine), then what does that say about the throne and the cosmology and dimensional tiering of the verse? because as far as i am aware, the throne is never stated to have erased and replaced any potentially existing dimensional framework that existed beyond its conception besides the 1st space opera universe
TLDR: the ban and the revisions to the lore page should best be kept in place until after pantheon is finished or more about the nature and original purpose of the throne is revealed, because the author may throw a wrench into it and force you wall to rework a lot of stuff from scratch
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So, we are Hellstar Remina now?
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you mean the "retcon" cuz it wasnt like this until pantheon came. although heavily implies throne was still nothing until pantheon retcon about the throne.
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regardless of using that it was also said by the same link that most of this are speculation according to him. so unless pantheon gets worked up again, pantheon needs to be left alone.
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I was thinking the same :vDvorak1902 said:
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Actually most of the 1-A stuff comes from Yakou talking about the Throne and Singularity and Yato talking about various parts of the verse.
you mean the ones that you guys actually have that when you run them through an image translator only talks about diluting sugar and regular humans not bearing the singularity on a mental level? yeah that isnt an argument for 1-A according to this wiki's own standards as stated in the tiering system page. by that logic, any madness manipulator is 1-A.
"The only people with those scans are Ravenous and ALRF/Sleepy and they are either gone or dont wanna come here (This specific thread unless for something else), Ravenous is in vacation and has avoided discussing all of this cause he said it was annoying/boring and Alfy who is going into Medical School and also didnt care to debate this either since hes trying to lessen his wiki time."
aka, you are basing 1-A scaling on the word of someone you presume good faith from and seemingly dont provide evidence. a wiki can only be believed as far as its refferences go. that is why people dont trust wikipedia and when you try to directly quote a wiki, people either laugh at you or say "man, just trust the hyperlinked sources at the bottom and nothing else, because all else can easily be BS"
you mean the ones that you guys actually have that when you run them through an image translator only talks about diluting sugar and regular humans not bearing the singularity on a mental level? yeah that isnt an argument for 1-A according to this wiki's own standards as stated in the tiering system page. by that logic, any madness manipulator is 1-A.
"The only people with those scans are Ravenous and ALRF/Sleepy and they are either gone or dont wanna come here (This specific thread unless for something else), Ravenous is in vacation and has avoided discussing all of this cause he said it was annoying/boring and Alfy who is going into Medical School and also didnt care to debate this either since hes trying to lessen his wiki time."
aka, you are basing 1-A scaling on the word of someone you presume good faith from and seemingly dont provide evidence. a wiki can only be believed as far as its refferences go. that is why people dont trust wikipedia and when you try to directly quote a wiki, people either laugh at you or say "man, just trust the hyperlinked sources at the bottom and nothing else, because all else can easily be BS"
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@Embrace
As i told you before, you're free to make a thread to downgrade Shinza to Planet/Star/Galaxy/Universal/Multiversal whatever your belief is.
Should know by now no one is listening to you here and are more focused on Avesta news or busy with their lives
Thank you
As i told you before, you're free to make a thread to downgrade Shinza to Planet/Star/Galaxy/Universal/Multiversal whatever your belief is.
Should know by now no one is listening to you here and are more focused on Avesta news or busy with their lives
Thank you
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i aint asking for a downgrade just yetSleepyTBubble said:
i am A- asking for evidence and B- suggesting that the freeze on the matches should be in place until pantheon answers some key questions
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To my vast and incredible knowledge, Shinga law created to sides and since she saw the good as the weak who struggles against evil, the good was loosing but Muzan came who saw this and thinked "hey, why don't we become evil so we can destroy evil" and thus he killed everyone including shinga, the end.
Like you, I'm waiting for someone who actually know
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the first 2 gods arent ethically smart eh?
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Also, IIRC someone told me (well, not me but the entire thread) that Satanel paradoxed and retconed both Muzan and Shinga out of existence and that's how he got the throne but we need someone who knows to explain and debunk my ass.
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Embracetophats said:
you mean the ones that you guys actually have that when you run them through an image translator only talks about diluting sugar and regular humans not bearing the singularity on a mental level? yeah that isnt an argument for 1-A according to this wiki's own standards as stated in the tiering system page. by that logic, any madness manipulator is 1-A.
"The only people with those scans are Ravenous and ALRF/Sleepy and they are either gone or dont wanna come here (This specific thread unless for something else), Ravenous is in vacation and has avoided discussing all of this cause he said it was annoying/boring and Alfy who is going into Medical School and also didnt care to debate this either since hes trying to lessen his wiki time."
aka, you are basing 1-A scaling on the word of someone you presume good faith from and seemingly dont provide evidence. a wiki can only be believed as far as its refferences go. that is why people dont trust wikipedia and when you try to directly quote a wiki, people either laugh at you or say "man, just trust the hyperlinked sources at the bottom and nothing else, because all else can easily be BS"
Its because this was all discussed before, you think that when they came noone ever talked anything about what was said? or think they came decided to put it on 1-A and thats it wihtout evidence or anything? But iirc when it comes to stuff like this people always come to pester some people and it gets really annoying , there will be characters that the people that have the evidences are already gone that doesnt mean they are wrong
And you can't just compare this with wikipedia these people were here before ,talked here before and showed evidence when they had to discuss to back up knowledge about it, they arent just random people that came here told everyone something and know everyone trust it and now everyone just trust that, you can't just honestly expect that everyone will show up to give you answers about this kind of thing if them are not even bothering with this hobby or are busy
Also is everyone here using the pictures that yakou was talking while translating it with a image translator? The same novel that is said to be extremely hard to transalte? Because if you are basing arguments with a image translator whatever you are trying to do to downgrade has no value since it can be just a gibberish and most likely dont even tell what it wanted originally, unless what others here say come from also image translated texts
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Id like to keep out of this from now on but ill say this quick thing, K3 is considered for all intents and purposes untranslatable so anything that comes from an image translator, which is already sketchy and would likely be totally ignored, would be considered irrelevant.
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aight for those who are not sure download cpature2text if u wanna translate the k3 dialogues in some K3 CRT
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Isnt K3 untranslatable to English? Thats what ive been told by literally everyone and apparently even the people making the series have said stuff like that.
Like it uses to much Japanese slang iirc.
Like it uses to much Japanese slang iirc.
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yeah i mean if u want to get context then up to you lolPsychoWarper said:
. then again it dont get you context compare to the people who can translate it.
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Yeah the closest translation would be from a person who can speak Japanese and understands the slang terms.
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A bit off topic, but I just realized that Hajun's story is litteraly that one It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episode where Charile goes into a sensory deprivation chamber and gets a God complex, except Hajun actually becomes God.
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Id love to see a sitcom between the gods ovo.
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good news. new dies irae game confirmed. it would be about first era
https://twitter.com/DistantValhalla/status/1172817606518235136
https://twitter.com/masada_takashi/status/1172813273499963392
https://twitter.com/DistantValhalla/status/1172817606518235136
https://twitter.com/masada_takashi/status/1172813273499963392
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Sephiron000 said:
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Did you just use Internet Explorer or something kek
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It's not a game - its a Web Novel, and we've been talking about Avesta for a little bit now.Infera28 said:
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i know this "currently" is in form web novel but accroding to first link:
" Dies irae fans, this is not a drill. The Pantheon content Masada envisioned for the 1st Throne is being developed as an independent game. "Dichotomous Avesta" is the story of the world in which 'good' and 'evil' were clear cut, and the tale of one man's slaughter towards God."
this "currently" is in form a web novel but Masada wants it to be a game/multimedia (eventually)
" Dies irae fans, this is not a drill. The Pantheon content Masada envisioned for the 1st Throne is being developed as an independent game. "Dichotomous Avesta" is the story of the world in which 'good' and 'evil' were clear cut, and the tale of one man's slaughter towards God."
this "currently" is in form a web novel but Masada wants it to be a game/multimedia (eventually)
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Hoping for it to be a VN eventually rather than a Gacha. But if he can make it become a Gacha, then that wouldn't hurt.
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