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Masadaverse Discussion Thread 21

Having all the tabs spaced out from one another is still far neater than a wall of text - and this is such a minor complaint, I don't see why you are arguing it.
 
Tbh both choices are gross, tabbers on mobile look like ass but trying to read a huge wall of text on mobile ******* sucks.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
I use mobile a lot, it looks gross on mobile.
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Get a laptop, scrub!

Like I said, I find the smaller paragraphs a lot easier to read than just one giant blob of textual garbage.
 
1- i'm sure 7 Swastikas and below Reinhard is multi solar system lvl. it twice stated Reinhard is capable of shaking universe (by summoning his lance and his presence) now we know in order to shaking universe it needs to have mass of the universe. but it multiple times stated Longinuslanze Testament has infinite mass too

not to mention Base Reinhard had 0 universal feats in franchise. so saying he is universal = outlier or metaphor

also i remember it in Yakou Madara old profile stated he is Reinhard's Equal and Yakou had control over movement of the stars and capable of throwing stars. based on that Reinhard is multi solar system lvl too

2- how we are supposed to knowing Masada compared Base Reinhard with Amakasu's Gods? it could be referred to Atziluth Reinhard not Base. seeing Atziluth is a "God" too. also mentioned "comparison" could be a metaphor only and is completely Vague. why we preferred a vague inconsistent statement to consistent feats and statements too?
 
Wasnt it the hand book that said Rein, Merc and Yakou where all equal to Amakasu?

Physical tier means nothing to those 3 since they all have busted ass 1-A hax
 
Infera28 said:
1- i'm sure 7 Swastikas and below Reinhard is multi solar system lvl. it twice stated Reinhard is capable of shaking universe (by summoning his lance and his presence) now we know in order to shaking universe it needs to have mass of the universe. but it multiple times stated Longinuslanze Testament has infinite mass too
not to mention Base Reinhard had 0 universal feats in franchise. so saying he is universal = outlier or metaphor

also i remember it in Yakou Madara old profile stated he is Reinhard's Equal and Yakou had control over movement of the stars and capable of throwing stars. based on that Reinhard is multi solar system lvl too
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Dude, you brought this up last thread and every there told you that those "shaking the universe" feats are just flowery language.

And no, Reinhard being universal isn't an outlier, nor is it a metaphor.


Restricted Reinhard would be something more akin to, "At least 7-A, likely Far Higher, Even higher with each Swastika released"
 
@warren it twice stated he shook universe. i can consider something that stated once as flowery language but twice in a scene? nor this scan seems like a metaphor

again how we know Masada compared "Base" Reinhard with Amakasu's Gods? that couild be Atziluth Reinhard. seeing Atziluth one is a "God" too. saying Masada compared a God with other Gods makes more sense. anyway when we don't know Masada referred to Base or Atziluth that is unqualified

Reinhard being universal is inconsistent with show feats and statements too. don't tell me Valeria Trifa had universal durability and Yetzirah Machina cracked his body? then Ren Fujii and Tubal Cain survived Machina's Yetzirah punches
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I dont think Amakasu's gods have any feats of being even close to being on par with a 90 Taikyoku Hadou God.

Also Ren and Cain could easily survive universal punches since they have Low-Godly, no level if AP outside maybe tier 0 can overcome Low-Godly (without helping hax).
 
Even if you massively wank the Senshinkan character to transcend reality each layer of dream they exist in, they would still be many sets of infinitely above baseline 1-A weaker than the weakest God so far.
 
Infera28 said:
@warren it twice stated he shook universe. i can consider something that stated once as flowery language but twice in a scene? nor this scan seems like a metaphor
again how we know Masada compared "Base" Reinhard with Amakasu's Gods? that couild be Atziluth Reinhard. seeing Atziluth one is a "God" too. saying Masada compared a God with other Gods makes more sense. anyway when we don't Masada referred to Base or Atziluth that is unqualified

Reinhard being universal is inconsistent with show feats and statements too. don't tell me Valeria Trifa had universal durability and Yetzirah Machina cracked his body? then Ren Fujii and Tubal Cain survived Machina's Yetzirah punches
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Yes - there can be more than one use of flowery language in a scene.


That's entirely your headcanon - Reinhard in 99% of Dies Irae wasn't a God - so someone asking how strong Reinhard was in Dies Irae is clearly representative of his base form. It's the more logical assumption. If they wanted to know how strong Reinhard as a God was, then they would have asked that specifically.


And you can't be serious.

Machina destroyed Trifa with his Existence Erasing Briah - Midgardr Völsunga Saga - Machina one-shotted Tubal Cain with his Power Null Yetzirah - Deus Ex Machina - and the only time Machina hit Ren with his Briah is the moment where Ren began emanating his own law and it was clearly shown as a big deal that Machina couldn't affect Ren with his Briah.
 
I like how the universe shaking feats are flowery language, but Reinhard being universal due to equally Ragnarok Gods isn't, even though he's never shown feats even close to that while having 7/8 Swastikas open Thrice, LOL.
 
Higher dimension could mean anything in between low 2-C to High 1-B.

So it means Rein is high 1-B, it is true because he has tier 1 hax.
 
Tbh this whole "reinhard is equal to amakasu's gods" is a bit fishy

we don't even have the source of this claim, and when someone asked for it, people just posted what Masada supposedly said, but not the actual tweet (or whatever source was it) itself
 
@Dark: I tried to look into Masada's Twitter to see if he ever made a tweet about it but I couldn't find it and even if it was from Twitter, I can't seem to go any further than 2013 or some such last I checked. Seems like Twitter is only able to allow tweets to last up to a certain time period I guess.

It could very well not be on Twitter but my searches for stuff like WoG from Masada are pretty pretty VERY limited in all hoensty.

That's as much as I can say.
 
i don't recall sending tremors across cosmos as flowery language that was a feat not even statement. nor i see anything for proving they were flowery language. we can't call something as flowery language without proving. i said multi solar system lvl needs to have mass of the universe and Longinuslanze Testament had infinite mass too

as u said in end that's a assumption only so unqualified. we used a assumption for tiering? when we have actual feats and statements from novel itself. Senshinkan is a whole different Cosmology with different powers and story. tiering Reinhard based off Senshinkan is like tiering Reinhard based off Mario

Senshinkan isn't translated and we have lack info about it. we can't make sure about Senshinkan Gods are 1-A or not. as i said Comparing Atziluth Reinhard (God) with Amakasu's "Gods" makes more sense too. also tiering something with writer statements isn't death of author fallacy?

Reinhard being universal is pretty inconsistent with novel too and i know Beri'ah Machina killed Valeria but Yetzirah Machina cracked his body and sent him to flying too. so Tubal Cain and Ren Fujii had universal durability? as they survived his Yetzirah punches

about that higher dimensional Reinhard thing. existing in a higher dimension doesn't mean as u have same lvl existence and context told us higher dimension was Gladshiem and Base Reinhard hadn't same lvl existence as Gladshiem
 
@Warren:

(Shrugs)

It could also be from Atwiki. I think someoen mentioned that Masada goes on Atwiki himself and answers stuff but I haven't really checked there in a long time (For Shinza stuff, that is) and I cannnot confirm if that is true or not nor know who said that as that was probably a whole while back.
 
I take those statemets as secondary evidences for his tiring, not really as flowery language, but that's just me.

Masada, unlike other authors in fiction, know what he is doing and how strong are his characters. Him giving a statement like that has more weight thana buch of fans complaining. Also, both works of fiction where created by him, he knows them and clearly knows how they would fare one against the other.

AFAIK alrf only puts them at 2-A and he has read/played the game, moot point.

Death of the author isn't when the statements made byto the author are ignored?

Inconsistent with what exactly? Cain was insta one shoted and Ren was only hitted with MVS IIRC.

The last one is a joke. Also, Glads is part of Rein, it's his desire. In any case i could say base rein is 1-A :v
 
Just read the passage - it is obviously flowery language. The same thing can be said for the Longinus having infinite mass - unless you really think that Reinhard's lifting strength is infinite.


We have no feats for Reinhard because he doesn't do anything but stomp the cast and then become a god. And you know full well that is a massive false equivalency.

Masada is the author of both Senshinkan and Shinza Banshou and knows how strong he wrote his own characters - if he states Reinhard is comparable, and nothing contradicts it, then the statement should be usable.


You do know our Senshinkan profiles were written by someone who actually has read the verse and knows the cosmology, right? The Senshinkan gods aren't 1-A because nothing in the series proved that it was - if 1-A Senshinkan was a thing, then it would be apart of our profiles.

And no, comparing Atziluth Reinhard to Amakasu's Gods is not more logical just because they are both Gods. Methuselah is a "God" - does that mean he is 1-A too? No, it doesn't. Your logic is faulty - just because both verses have gods doesn't mean that Masada was comparing each verses gods.


No, it isn't inconsistent.

And I am 99% sure that Yetzirah Machina never cracked Trifa - AFAIK, it was one hit in his Briah that cracked Trifa's shell and another would have killed Trifa. Even if it did happen, it doesn't matter because it would clearly be an outlier.

Not to mention, that even if Reinhard was downgraded to 4-A like you are suggesting, then that still means that Yetzirah Machina cracking Trifa is a massive ******* outlier, unless you think Ren and Tubal Cain have 4-A durability.


Dude, that higher dimension thing is a joke - its just flowery language.

Seriously, stop being Amelia Bedelia and learn what a metaphor is, please.
 
Speaking of Glads being Reinhard's desire, does his page still say his "desire" is I love everything?

Cuz that's not a desire. It should be written more like "I want to love(destroy) everything" or something
 
@warren it 4 times stated Longinuslanze Testament has infinite mass or considered as separate universe. if 4 times is "2 different routes" is flowery language so exactly what isn't a flowery language? it in data book stated Yakou Madara is Reinhard's Equal too and we know Yakou had control over movement of stars and capable of throwing them. that further proves even writer considers Reinhard as someone close to solar/multi solar rather than universal as he compared him with Yakou who had actual solar system powers

and what is problem with Reinhard having infinite lifting strength? strength = / = AP so that doesn't contradict novel

how we are sure about Masada considers Reinhard or Amakasu's Gods as universal? he can consider Gods as planet lvl. i remember Senshinkan had more planetary and below feats than universal too. so in end that's multiple assumptions at same time and appeal to probability. assuming 1- writer referred to "Base" Reinhard and not Atziluth 2- writer talked about power/AP 3- Masada believed Nakiri is universal too and compared Reinhard with all of the Amakasu's Gods not few gods only

u said if nothing contradicts it so it is usable. yes that's true but not for a Ambiguous statement and i should mention nothing contradicted those shaking feats too? u said comparing gods with gods is faulty but saying Masada referred to Base Reinhard cuz 95% time we have seen his Base isn't faulty logic and a appeal to probality?

also i said 7 Swastikas and below Reinhard is 4-A i never said 8 Swastikas Reinhard is 4-A too. u can keep 8 Swastikas one as universal

also yeah Machina one shotted Cain but Cain body wasn't destroyed that's universal durability
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
I just remembered we need to take off the Yakou fight against the Emprah, as he's 3-A now.
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That wasn't really an important factor in the fight though. It's probably still going to be removed for some other reasons.
 
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