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Marvel Storms tier upgrade?

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24animefan

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So for a while now people seem to disregard pretty much all Ororo best feats. So basically I'm gonna show some feats and try to give some context behind them that a lot of people seem to miscomprehend or downplay.



Scans of storm shorting the synapses of grey hulk she wasn't amped or anything by cable


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387329-3538819470-21135.jpg


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387330-7662725677-21135.jpg


She again almost kills hulk in an another in counter


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387331-5303389470-19079.jpg


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387332-1054962519-19080.jpg


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387333-5771255300-21135.jpg




She's also hurt colossus and people in his weight class multiple times.


She sees the universe like how she sees earth as energy she sees the universe, stars, planets etc as energy patterns she can manipulate.


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387437-6963856313-74739.jpg


She created a cosmic turbulence around the whole planet.






She also Ignited Earth's atmosphere making Aurora borealis around the world


https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/52828/7064470-0346818109-67588.jpg


Storm was able to manipulate the radiant energy from the solar corona of the sun and convert it to Solar winds to fly in space, as well as create a Force 12 Gale to destroy a sentinel backed by the FULL power of the sun.



Storm easily killed horseman magneto and he later was revived by X-Men.







Ororo also hurts gladiator and sentinels with solar winds




https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387445-3678309898-74721.jpg



Also did you know on two occasions she hurt silver surfer. (Don't wanna hear y'all saying pis when silver let Black panther put him in a choke hold thing, He was clearly holding back.


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1374378-489694_stormsurfer31ad_super.jpg


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/4762/1077130-scan0011cj.jpg



She's also destroyed stardust form with their own electrons lol. (They reformed)


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27500/626982-fantastic_four__546___page_8.jpg
So far she has affected three or four heralds

Storm in Uncanny X-men #10 where she unleashed a powerful attack on Nate Grey(X-man), who at the time was fused with Legion. This was powerful enough to devastate him so that the 7 telepaths present(with their combined power) could finally break through to his mind and unfuse them. The battle involved some of mutant's biggest powerhouses, such as Apocalypse, Magneto, Iceman, Jean, Meggan, Dazzler and Polaris, and indicated Storm was the only one powerful enough to affect him on this level.



https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/u...Qcu0AgB4AdxzQUfpwH_maPY8lgsyHjQ4mEJig%3Ds1600



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She uses the full power of an galactic core (millions of stars and suns). If you read the context correctly you would know she did not almost die because of her using the core's power It was her killing the embryo infection inside her which knocked her out in the middle of space with no protection.



https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387438-3185662690-74720.jpg



https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387439-6884955928-74720.jpg



Ororo with her godhood was able to one-shot an space lubber a race of aliens who survived their planet destruction, can fly at ftl speeds, manipulate plasma, and consume energy.






https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/u...zcbSeGwupu8nRnYXp1Yn-jk4F6DgEfhiQA0IcbhA%3Ds0






Storm also was able to contain powerful mystical powers from four different beings, magik almost killed herself trying while storm was barely strained from it



https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/u...6X6eXjo2JRvHSP-Nqz4bzWXnjAiUEXK0Ff8vU%3Ds1600



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Storm also broke Dr strange most famous spell cytorrak bands



https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/52828/7064094-8099214530-67653.jpg



She defeated trion in their own realm and Heald their dimension.



https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/52828/7064457-6597101498-67587.jpg



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And another one of her greatest feats we're hosting eternity, she and Dr strange were the only ones strong enough to do it. Can't find the scan, so here's the name of the issue Fantastic Four #550



Man that was a lot 😑 so what do y'all think does storm deserve an upgrade in tier or an extra key or something.
 
...can the OP remove the High 6-C feats? We already list her at that.

Also source issue numbers for these scans.
 
24animefan said:
Which ones? I tried to make sure I got all her feats that weren't mentioned on her page.
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I mean you don't need more than 2 or 3 feats on the file itself to solidify tiering, rest'll be unnecessary bulking up the page

I'll go through these anyway
 
The_Impress said:
I mean you don't need more than 2 or 3 feats on the file itself to solidify tiering, rest'll be unnecessary bulking up the page

I'll go through these anyway
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Ok sorry I wasn't sure I just started list feats for her. Also it may take me a bit but yeah I can look for the sources
 
24animefan said:
Scans of storm shorting the synapses of grey hulk she wasn't amped or anything by cable


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387329-3538819470-21135.jpg


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387330-7662725677-21135.jpg


She again almost kills hulk in an another in counter


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387331-5303389470-19079.jpg


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387332-1054962519-19080.jpg


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387333-5771255300-21135.jpg


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...this is just her using hax. Non-scaleable to tier.
24animefan said:
She's also hurt colossus and people in his weight class multiple times.
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Already listed
24animefan said:
She sees the universe like how she sees earth as energy she sees the universe, stars, planets etc as energy patterns she can manipulate.


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387437-6963856313-74739.jpg
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Relevance?
24animefan said:
She created a cosmic turbulence around the whole planet.


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This is a range feat, not that impressive DC
24animefan said:
She also Ignited Earth's atmosphere making Aurora borealis around the world


https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/52828/7064470-0346818109-67588.jpg
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Also a range feat.

We also just... probably mention this on her file
24animefan said:
Storm was able to manipulate the radiant energy from the solar corona of the sun and convert it to Solar winds to fly in space, as well as create a Force 12 Gale to destroy a sentinel backed by the FULL power of the sun.
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Just seems like random P&A + Power Source are RARELY equatable to all tier
24animefan said:
Storm easily killed horseman magneto and he later was revived by X-Men.





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This is probably far less impressive than what we already list her
24animefan said:
Ororo also hurts gladiator and sentinels with solar winds




https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387445-3678309898-74721.jpg
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Gladiator gets ****** up by every X-Men, poor feat
24animefan said:
Also did you know on two occasions she hurt silver surfer. (Don't wanna hear y'all saying pis when silver let Black panther put him in a choke hold thing, He was clearly holding back.


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1374378-489694_stormsurfer31ad_super.jpg


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/4762/1077130-scan0011cj.jpg
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A held back Silver Surfer is High 6-C, we already list her that
24animefan said:
She's also destroyed stardust form with their own electrons lol. (They reformed)


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27500/626982-fantastic_four__546___page_8.jpg
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This is also just hax
24animefan said:
So far she has affected three or four heralds
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...with P&A or against ******* who hold back.

Electro once blanked out X-Man's brain, just affecting the ******* means nothing, HOW you affect them does.
24animefan said:
Storm in Uncanny X-men #10 where she unleashed a powerful attack on Nate Grey(X-man), who at the time was fused with Legion. This was powerful enough to devastate him so that the 7 telepaths present(with their combined power) could finally break through to his mind and unfuse them. The battle involved some of mutant's biggest powerhouses, such as Apocalypse, Magneto, Iceman, Jean, Meggan, Dazzler and Polaris, and indicated Storm was the only one powerful enough to affect him on this level.



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...mate the entire point of Age of X-Man was that they were all too weak to stop him, and thus they had to team up.

Claiming THAT one moment magically means Storm = X-Man in any relevant sense, is ignorant af
24animefan said:
She uses the full power of an galactic core (millions of stars and suns). If you read the context correctly you would know she did not almost die because of her using the core's power It was her killing the embryo infection inside her which knocked her out in the middle of space with no protection.



https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387438-3185662690-74720.jpg



https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387439-6884955928-74720.jpg
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...relevance? I'm not accepting the face value assertion of "Base Storm's durability is 4-A"
24animefan said:
Ororo with her godhood was able to one-shot an space lubber a race of aliens who survived their planet destruction, can fly at ftl speeds, manipulate plasma, and consume energy.






https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/52828/7064083-5080560137-7063503-9315927743-GUCcG9ORqL1CFacmSjVI9lAsEkoc4HGNRBurVO5tdqTKjtkiPTvhBE1GuQGZqScwdjNUMK4gW1TS1-Ix-9zyemRM_QWDC4g88szcbSeGwupu8nRnYXp1Yn-jk4F6DgEfhiQA0IcbhA%3Ds0



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...relevance?
24animefan said:
Storm also was able to contain powerful mystical powers from four different beings, magik almost killed herself trying while storm was barely strained from it



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...you DO recognize Storm survives because she conducts it away? Hence not suffering the full yield
24animefan said:
Storm also broke Dr strange most famous spell cytorrak bands



https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/52828/7064094-8099214530-67653.jpg
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Everyone and their moms have probably done this
24animefan said:
She defeated trion in their own realm and Heald their dimension.



https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/52828/7064457-6597101498-67587.jpg



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She says it a bajillion times that she's amping herself by using the dimension's properties
24animefan said:
And another one of her greatest feats we're hosting eternity, she and Dr strange were the only ones strong enough to do it. Can't find the scan, so here's the name of the issue Fantastic Four #550
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Will check this in a bit

I see like, at best an FTL upgrade. Not much else
 
The_Impress said:
...this is just her using hax. Non-scaleable to tier.

Already listed

Relevance?

This is a range feat, not that impressive DC

Also a range feat.

We also just... probably mention this on her file

Just seems like random P&A + Power Source are RARELY equatable to all tier

This is probably far less impressive than what we already list her

Gladiator gets ****** up by every X-Men, poor feat

A held back Silver Surfer is High 6-C, we already list her that

This is also just hax

...with P&A or against ******* who hold back.

Electro once blanked out X-Man's brain, just affecting the ******* means nothing, HOW you affect them does.

...mate the entire point of Age of X-Man was that they were all too weak to stop him, and thus they had to team up.

Claiming THAT one moment magically means Storm = X-Man in any relevant sense, is ignorant af

...relevance? I'm not accepting the face value assertion of "Base Storm's durability is 4-A"

...relevance?

...you DO recognize Storm survives because she conducts it away? Hence not suffering the full yield

Everyone and their moms have probably done this

She says it a bajillion times that she's amping herself by using the dimension's properties

Will check this in a bit

I see like, at best an FTL upgrade. Not much else
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Question you do know storm powers are to manipulate the energy and Matter that makes up the atmosphere?
She can adapt to any environment she's in like the trion feat or any of her outerspace feats their all from her adapting to her environment. She's not really amping herself she's just adapting to what's accessable to her, like on earth she manipulate Earth's energy/atmosphere.
 
Also here's all the things storm has manipulated with her powers.

Energy Sight


Electric Energy


Electromagnetic Energy


Kinetic Energy/Tidal Energy


Thermal/Internal Energy


Radiant/Solar Energy


Potential Energy


Chemical Energy

she's manipulated magical energy as well
 
The_Impress said:
...this is just her using hax. Non-scaleable to tier.

Already listed

Relevance?

This is a range feat, not that impressive DC

Also a range feat.

We also just... probably mention this on her file

Just seems like random P&A + Power Source are RARELY equatable to all tier

This is probably far less impressive than what we already list her

Gladiator gets ****** up by every X-Men, poor feat

A held back Silver Surfer is High 6-C, we already list her that

This is also just hax

...with P&A or against ******* who hold back.

Electro once blanked out X-Man's brain, just affecting the ******* means nothing, HOW you affect them does.

...mate the entire point of Age of X-Man was that they were all too weak to stop him, and thus they had to team up.

Claiming THAT one moment magically means Storm = X-Man in any relevant sense, is ignorant af

...relevance? I'm not accepting the face value assertion of "Base Storm's durability is 4-A"

...relevance?

...you DO recognize Storm survives because she conducts it away? Hence not suffering the full yield

Everyone and their moms have probably done this

She says it a bajillion times that she's amping herself by using the dimension's properties

Will check this in a bit

I see like, at best an FTL upgrade. Not much else
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Um I don't know how to do whatever format your using so I'm just gonna reply like this ok.

1. First time yeah. but the second she hit him with her full power and he almost died she didn't target an specific are like his brain or heart.

2. How so she's protecting earth from solar radiation plus I bet she could use solar radiation to destroy earth if she wanted. Also how come her using the full power of the sun not upgrade worthy?

3. She ignited the atmosphere out of grief. Is there an specific reason it can't be used

4. Storm isn't just some random fodder. She's only had a couple in counters with heralds, but Everytime they do meet storm is able to make the feel pain and hurt them even when she's not using her full power.

5. Literally no one was doing shit to X-Men/legion till storm blasted him hard enough for those psychic to separate them. If just anyone could do it than apocalypse or someone else would've done it plus she hit him with raw power not hax

6. Storm adapts to her environment so if she moves to a planet that had fire for rain and cosmic energy for a sun she would be resistant to them because that's her environment. So like in space she's immune to solar/radiant energy

7. You do know an space lubber eats on sound, electricity, and cosmic energies, they also survived their planet destruction.

. storm used that as a metaphor she wasn't actually being a conduit she was harnessing the magic Magik couldn't hold

8. Ok only because some one else broke them doesn't change the fact that their powerful and storm broke them with white lightning

9. But she doesn't amp herself she adapts to her environment that's her powers she adapted to their realm in order to fight them. This isn't the first time she has manipulated alien environments as she used her powers in a fake environment and a twisted reality so I'm positive she wasn't amping herself.
 
24animefan said:
Um I don't know how to do whatever format your using so I'm just gonna reply like this ok.

1. First time yeah. but the second she hit him with her full power and he almost died she didn't target an specific are like his brain or heart.
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Still High 6-C, not a higher tier
24animefan said:
2. How so she's protecting earth from solar radiation plus I bet she could use solar radiation to destroy earth if she wanted. Also how come her using the full power of the sun not upgrade worthy?
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Solar radiation alone is a buzzword that implies nothing impressive.

Also it's logic that if you're connected to the house power supply you don't 100% scale to jt
24animefan said:
3. She ignited the atmosphere out of grief. Is there an specific reason it can't be used
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I mean you can use it, it's just not impressive
24animefan said:
4. Storm isn't just some random fodder. She's only had a couple in counters with heralds, but Everytime they do meet storm is able to make the feel pain and hurt them even when she's not using her full power.
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...because they're not using their full power either
24animefan said:
5. Literally no one was doing shit to X-Men/legion till storm blasted him hard enough for those psychic to separate them. If just anyone could do it than apocalypse or someone else would've done it plus she hit him with raw power not hax
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Literally never said "anyone could do it", what Storm does impressive, sure, but by basic plot she's not equal to X-Man because then she wouldn't have needed the telepaths' help
24animefan said:
6. Storm adapts to her environment so if she moves to a planet that had fire for rain and cosmic energy for a sun she would be resistant to them because that's her environment. So like in space she's immune to solar/radiant energy
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P&A, sure
24animefan said:
7. You do know an space lubber eats on sound, electricity, and cosmic energies, they also survived their planet destruction.
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I wouldn't considering you never gave a single scan for that.
24animefan said:
storm used that as a metaphor she wasn't actually being a conduit she was harnessing the magic Magik couldn't hold
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Prove this by statement, I'm gonna take what's written in the comic rather than your headcanon otherwise.
24animefan said:
8. Ok only because some one else broke them doesn't change the fact that their powerful and storm broke them with white lightning
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This is actually faulty reasoning. They're not powerful 50% of the time, this is under that 50%
24animefan said:
9. But she doesn't amp herself she adapts to her environment that's her powers she adapted to their realm in order to fight them. This isn't the first time she has manipulated alien environments as she used her powers in a fake environment and a twisted reality so I'm positive she wasn't amping herself.
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You recognize this is the equivalent of "there was a gun so I took it". I know this narrative, it's also just hax, there were 4-B energies around and she utilized them.

Like mate you have to note I don't disagree that Storm is strong as shit, but she's a haxlord, and most of the shit she does, doesn't scale to Destructive Capacity.
 
The_Impress said:
Still High 6-C, not a higher tier

Solar radiation alone is a buzzword that implies nothing impressive.

Also it's logic that if you're connected to the house power supply you don't 100% scale to jt

I mean you can use it, it's just not impressive

...because they're not using their full power either

Literally never said "anyone could do it", what Storm does impressive, sure, but by basic plot she's not equal to X-Man because then she wouldn't have needed the telepaths' help

P&A, sure

I wouldn't considering you never gave a single scan for that.

Prove this by statement, I'm gonna take what's written in the comic rather than your headcanon otherwise.

This is actually faulty reasoning. They're not powerful 50% of the time, this is under that 50%

You recognize this is the equivalent of "there was a gun so I took it". I know this narrative, it's also just hax, there were 4-B energies around and she utilized them.

Like mate you have to note I don't disagree that Storm is strong as shit, but she's a haxlord, and most of the shit she does, doesn't scale to Destructive Capacity.
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Ok I'm chill I'm not overworked or anything just want to understand why her feats aren't destructive capabilities?

1. Okay I'll accept I guess

2. Um a big solar flare would destroy all electronics on earth let alone if she removed Earth's protection from them or she could wipe out earth with it's EM spectrum

3. Since none of them use their full power in a fight than what does this means

4. She's not a telepath how would she separate them. Superman is equal to darkseid avatars who have matter manipulation and telepathy but superman wouldn't be able to psychically beat him since that's not his powers so I'm not sure how she would've separated them like the psychic's did since she isn't one

5. What's P&A mean? I've never heard the term before

6. I don't have RN but I'm looking for it. Also the space lubber was eating all of wakandas memories and shuri (new bp) powers.

7. In. The scan I presented it stated that they were going to channel all of their magic into Magik but one was skeptical that she wouldn't survive all of their magic being charged into her which he was correct since Magik couldn't handle it so storm channeled the power herself without dieing or passing out

7. Ok I guess that's true, but storm still has magical potential because of her ancestors, she also hosted eternity which only her and Dr strange are powerful enough to do it ( silver surfer was there and the fantastic four)

8. But her powers literally are to manipulate the energy and matter that makes up her environment meaning nothing stops her from using the energy of stars like she did before with the core From Earth since she has manipulated stuff that were light years away before

9. Also her galactic core feat definitely is a stellar level feat shouldn't she scale from that she also didn't die from it either it was the death of the embryo that knocked her out
 
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24animefan said:
2. Um a big solar flare would destroy all electronics on earth let alone if she removed Earth's protection from them or she could wipe out earth with it's EM spectrum
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Recognize "destroy all electronics" is still FAR LESS than what we currently rate her.

She's listed as being capable of reducing countries to dust and rubble
24animefan said:
3. Since none of them use their full power in a fight than what does this means
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No real scaling :v
24animefan said:
4. She's not a telepath how would she separate them.
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That just isn't the primary objective for any character, in that run, in the slightest.

Genuinely just, read the story, if you're saying "yes Storm could've stopped X-Man at any time", there would be NO CONFLICT whatsoever
24animefan said:
6. I don't have RN but I'm looking for it. Also the space lubber was eating all of wakandas memories and shuri (new bp) powers.
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Latter part seems irrelevant :v
24animefan said:
7. In. The scan I presented it stated that they were going to channel all of their magic into Magik but one was skeptical that she wouldn't survive all of their magic being charged into her which he was correct since Magik couldn't handle it so storm channeled the power herself without dieing or passing out
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Again, this is headcanon, she redirects it VERY VISIBLY, something Magik can't do. That's what's happening
24animefan said:
7. Ok I guess that's true, but storm still has magical potential because of her ancestors, she also hosted eternity which only her and Dr strange are powerful enough to do it ( silver surfer was there and the fantastic four)
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Which is her property, not related to tiering
24animefan said:
8. But her powers literally are to manipulate the energy and matter that makes up her environment meaning nothing stops her from using the energy of stars like she did before with the core From Earth since she has manipulated stuff that were light years away before
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And that's just Energy Manipulation, it's not tierable >:V
24animefan said:
9. Also her galactic core feat definitely is a stellar level feat shouldn't she scale from that she also didn't die from it either it was the death of the embryo that knocked her out
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I mean we just don't know what interacting with the Galactic Core entails, it's not a IRL thing, so.
 
Antvasima said:
What do you think about this?
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Like Imp has said most of this stuff is either unscalable situational incidents or hax that's not DC related.

Also even if the OP was 100% correct on everything they broke our sourcing rule and nothing can be used until then.
 
Okay. Thank you both for helping out.

So should we close this thread, or is there any useful information that we can apply here, if the OP sources his/her scans?
 
I think the Grey Hulk and Silver Surfer scans can be listed as supporting evidence for her current tier, OP has gathered a couple of good energy manip and range scans for her too.

Also if posted FTL Storm may be legitimate, if they post the correct scans

OP is a newcomer so I feel they're kinda confused how tiering works, it's in respect to their shown destructive capabilities, Storm is extremely powerful, but you have to recognise most of it comes from her extremely large range and amazing abilities, her core destructive potential however, is lacking (most mutants' are as well, for the record)
 
FTL storm is definitely something that should have happened long ago. She has quite a lot feats of it from what I can remember.
 
Combat and reactions. I cannot remember her flight being that far. I think I remember some sol statements or something close to it but that's it
 
The_Impress said:
Recognize "destroy all electronics" is still FAR LESS than what we currently rate her.

She's listed as being capable of reducing countries to dust and rubble

No real scaling :v

That just isn't the primary objective for any character, in that run, in the slightest.

Genuinely just, read the story, if you're saying "yes Storm could've stopped X-Man at any time", there would be NO CONFLICT whatsoever

Latter part seems irrelevant :v

Again, this is headcanon, she redirects it VERY VISIBLY, something Magik can't do. That's what's happening

Which is her property, not related to tiering

And that's just Energy Manipulation, it's not tierable >:V

I mean we just don't know what interacting with the Galactic Core entails, it's not a IRL thing, so.
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1. That was just an example lol if she wanted to she could manipulate Earth's atmosphere to destroy it

2. Okay I guess.

3. Never said that, she was the only one to affect X-Men on that scale everyone else was powerless

4. In the scan it also said that the power could kill her and we clearly see Magik in pain when she tried

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/u...6X6eXjo2JRvHSP-Nqz4bzWXnjAiUEXK0Ff8vU%3Ds1600

5. Ok when you said P&A I thought it was something else sorry 😆

6. Well an short Google search said that it's something like the center of a Galaxy or something like that. But in the story storm describe it as something else here's an direct quote

"This must be The GALACTIC CORE Millions of Suns, Crammed into a relatively Tiny amount of space–Living stars, Living world's, And from each I draw spiritual and material Sustenance
This is what she says when she first comes in contact with it.


Here she's stated to have easily used the power of the entire core and had pretty much turned into a star for a moment

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387439-6884955928-74720.jpg

She's also created an 12 Force Gale backed by the full power of the sun

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387445-3678309898-74721.jpg

Those should definitely be stellar level
 
24animefan said:
3. Never said that, she was the only one to affect X-Men on that scale everyone else was powerless
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Then it's PIS, not a feat
24animefan said:
4. In the scan it also said that the power could kill her and we clearly see Magik in pain when she tried

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/5/52828/7064090-2193116872-6757739-2877332887-IKwl4aylRN69cRB153q1UCY6hIh94KyrKHvuOf36X6eXjo2JRvHSP-Nqz4bzWXnjAiUEXK0Ff8vU%3Ds1600
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rq btw, you recognise Magik is one of the weaker 9-As in Durability, right? It's not a relevant feat anyhow

Also again, only reason Storm doesn't die is because she redirects this energy in the form of blasts.
24animefan said:
6. Well an short Google search said that it's something like the center of a Galaxy or something like that. But in the story storm describe it as something else here's an direct quote

"This must be The GALACTIC CORE Millions of Suns, Crammed into a relatively Tiny amount of space–Living stars, Living world's, And from each I draw spiritual and material Sustenance
This is what she says when she first comes in contact with it.

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Again, I am never accepting 4-A base durability Storm, she gets ****** up in durability by everyone.

So it's an outlier
24animefan said:
Here she's stated to have easily used the power of the entire core and had pretty much turned into a star for a moment

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387439-6884955928-74720.jpg
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It's a hyperbole tho, not literal :v
24animefan said:
She's also created an 12 Force Gale backed by the full power of the sun

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387445-3678309898-74721.jpg
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So lemme get this straight, " BACKED BY THE FULL POWER OF SUN", she is only able to create hurricane winds?

Do you see how dumb this is?
24animefan said:
Those should definitely be stellar level
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No tbh, both feats are really silly
 
Um did you just call solar winds hurricane winds 🤦🏾‍♂️ and do you actually think her manipulating stars are a durability feat? Smh lol. So remember how I told you storm can manipulate the energy and matter of her environment well she can also see the world around her as energy she can manipulate she adapts to her environment so that means her resistance changes due to her environment so her absorbing radiant energy and having no I'll affects mean is possible.

Also this is what an solar wind is

The solar wind is a stream of energized, charged particles, primarily electrons and protons, flowing outward from the Sun, through the solar system at speeds as high as 900 km/s and at a temperature of 1 million degrees (Celsius). It is made of plasma. Plus in the core feat she isn't attacking herself with energy she's killing the brood inside her.
 
24animefan said:
Um did you just call solar winds hurricane winds 🤦🏾‍♂️
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If it's a "Force 12 Gale", it's not Solar Winds definitely lol, that's like, aroud a tenth of the speeds actual solar winds go. Maybe as well be hurricane wknds
24animefan said:
and do you actually think her manipulating stars are a durability feat?
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...her ramming headfirst into a dense collective of stars is.
24animefan said:
So remember how I told you storm can manipulate the energy and matter of her environment well she can also see the world around her as energy she can manipulate she adapts to her environment so that means her resistance changes due to her environment so her absorbing radiant energy and having no I'll affects mean is possible.
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But you'll have to prove this relevantly, which you haven't.

Also again, this is just... Energy Manipulation, not tiering
24animefan said:
Also this is what an solar wind is

The solar wind is a stream of energized, charged particles, primarily electrons and protons, flowing outward from the Sun, through the solar system at speeds as high as 900 km/s and at a temperature of 1 million degrees (Celsius). It is made of plasma.
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Again, she's not doing Solar Winds at F12 lol.
 
Here she uses an solar wind to hurt gladiator worst than any other pain he felt

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387446-8467707480-27840.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387445-3678309898-74721.jpg

In the scan the sentinel literally yells And I quote "WARNING....Unit L-1 Being buffeted by Unknown Energy Matrices..... This Unit's Memory Banks have no data for this phenomenon cannot cope....."


Also for the galactic core feat she was in a spaceship before she connected to the core and the ship tore apart
 
Scans for her perceiving the world as energy and Matter

It is commonly misconstrued that Ororo merely just controls the weather, however this is not the case for this powerful mutant. Storm actually has the ability to perceive, sense ,and manipulate multiple forms of energy that relate to weather phenomena. These energies include Thermal, Kinetic, Electric, Electromagnetic, Radiant/Luminous, Tidal and Potential energy. All of these factor in the weather conditions of the entire universe. Her powers can be described as a weather based ergokinesis. So in short Storm is one extremely powerful energy manipulator. Given the fact that her powers adapt to different environments gives Storm much versatility in power usage. However in this blog we will be focusing on the forms of energy Storm manipulates on a daily basis with only a few exceptions.

When ever we see Storm's beautiful blue eyes change into the iconic white, we see it as an awesome attribute and a signal that she's about to open up a can of whoop arse. What most don't know is that when her eyes glow white she perceives the world as energy instead of solid matter. This gives her the ability to see things that the human eye can't including the cataracts of the human nervous system. This ability also expands her awareness of the environment around her.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387291-1689211583-22625.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387292-1152713881-22625.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387293-6518821885-22625.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387294-7060538198-22625.jpg

 
24animefan said:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387445-3678309898-74721.jpg

In the scan the sentinel literally yells And I quote "WARNING....Unit L-1 Being buffeted by Unknown Energy Matrices..... This Unit's Memory Banks have no data for this phenomenon cannot cope....."
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...are you literally gonna argue Solar Winds is an unknown phenomenon now?

24animefan said:
Scans for her perceiving the world as energy and Matter

It is commonly misconstrued that Ororo merely just controls the weather, however this is not the case for this powerful mutant. Storm actually has the ability to perceive, sense ,and manipulate multiple forms of energy that relate to weather phenomena. These energies include Thermal, Kinetic, Electric, Electromagnetic, Radiant/Luminous, Tidal and Potential energy. All of these factor in the weather conditions of the entire universe. Her powers can be described as a weather based ergokinesis. So in short Storm is one extremely powerful energy manipulator. Given the fact that her powers adapt to different environments gives Storm much versatility in power usage. However in this blog we will be focusing on the forms of energy Storm manipulates on a daily basis with only a few exceptions.

When ever we see Storm's beautiful blue eyes change into the iconic white, we see it as an awesome attribute and a signal that she's about to open up a can of whoop arse. What most don't know is that when her eyes glow white she perceives the world as energy instead of solid matter. This gives her the ability to see things that the human eye can't including the cataracts of the human nervous system. This ability also expands her awareness of the environment around her.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387291-1689211583-22625.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387292-1152713881-22625.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387293-6518821885-22625.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387294-7060538198-22625.jpg

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Good God dude, again, how many times will you make me repeat, this is ENERGY MANIPULATION, not her own DESTRUCTIVE CAPABILITIES.

It's not tierable, it's hax, we don't give Jean Grey a tier off her telepathy either.

Honestly I'm closing this, OP isn't sourcing anything and making me repeat points ad infinitum. This has been thoroughly rejected
 
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