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So currently the main consensus on the destruction of earth is that it was caused by the horned serpent, I’m here to prove otherwise along with a couple of other things
The destruction of earth was due to the clash between Freedom and Angel. They have repeatedly been linked to the cause of earths demise, not Washington as shown in the following.
the QnA’s
And of course there’s this pretty blantly confirming it
We also straight up see Washington only start moving after the earth gets blown up
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Retcon
No obviously your probably wondering “well cool but they don’t scale to it since it’s a chain reaction” which I would agree with if it wasn’t for this
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Angels crown blasts freedoms blade, destroying it and nothing happens. This then leads me into my next point.
I think it be fair to say there’s been a retcon to how Eve views these two power wise based off of this statement:
And this arguably isn’t the only one, Eve original never thought of Alcatraz as being god
but then by the end of modern day, Cthanaut A says otherwise
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There’s also her changing her mind on the lunarian’s being related to the sphinx at all
Anti-feat
Now before getting into the scaling of these two I need to address the elephant in the room and that being angel supposedly being badly injured after getting shot down by the USA.
For one it’s already been established that the ADA isn’t the most trustworthy bunch and tends to skew facts for there agenda as stated by Eve
And two we straight up see the supposed “burnt and broken” angel land on there tomb looking just fine
So it seems there “fixing” of the angel was greatly exaggerated
Scaling
So assuming we’re all in board at this point your probably wondering were they should scale. Well besides then blowing up earth I think they should be 3-A to most likely low 2-C.
The reasons for this are as follows
Angel and freedom both being considered infinitely powerful beings
Angel and freedoms head both survived the great division
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I'll get back to this later. I don't whole heartedly agree / disagree with anything, but I think the ordering of some of the logic is a bit off. Lowkey might go calc the Angel blowing a crater in the moon though.
So currently the main consensus on the destruction of earth is that it was caused by the horned serpent, I’m here to prove otherwise along with a couple of other things
The destruction of earth was due to the clash between Freedom and Angel. They have repeatedly been linked to the cause of earths demise, not Washington as shown in the following.
the QnA’s
And of course there’s this pretty blantly confirming it
We also straight up see Washington only start moving after the earth gets blown up
(8:26)
Retcon
No obviously your probably wondering “well cool but they don’t scale to it since it’s a chain reaction” which I would agree with if it wasn’t for this
(40:56)
Angels crown blasts freedoms blade, destroying it and nothing happens. This then leads me into my next point.
I think it be fair to say there’s been a retcon to how Eve views these two power wise based off of this statement:
And this arguably isn’t the only one, Eve original never thought of Alcatraz as being god
but then by the end of modern day, Cthanaut A says otherwise
(5:14)
There’s also her changing her mind on the lunarian’s being related to the sphinx at all
Anti-feat
Now before getting into the scaling of these two I need to address the elephant in the room and that being angel supposedly being badly injured after getting shot down by the USA.
For one it’s already been established that the ADA isn’t the most trustworthy bunch and tends to skew facts for there agenda as stated by Eve
And two we straight up see the supposed “burnt and broken” angel land on there tomb looking just fine
So it seems there “fixing” of the angel was greatly exaggerated
Scaling
So assuming we’re all in board at this point your probably wondering were they should scale. Well besides then blowing up earth I think they should be 3-A to most likely low 2-C.
The reasons for this are as follows
Angel and freedom both being considered infinitely powerful beings
Angel and freedoms head both survived the great division
(9:36)
So yeah, Angel and the Freedom are the reason the earth cracked open at the end of of season 2. However, the statement above literally states that the synergism between the Giza Glass beam and Angel's energy.
What Eve was referring to there was the simulated events of the fight in the Babylon forest where the Angel and Freedom would clash. While this was a simulation by Department of Technology, the only difference between the actual events is that the DOT believed this clash would kill both of them. Instead it ruptured the earth and caused the great division. Eve's statements saying that the great division was caused by this clash also affirms as such.
In regards to the events of Season 3, the major issue in that situation is that the Angel was beheaded by Freedom and became a canyon crown. While becoming a Canyon Crown doesn't inherently give an exact "boost" or change certain abilities, human crowns are definitely stronger than their human counterparts, so its likely that the same is true for Angel. Beyond speculation though, the presentation of Angel's power shows that the crown variant of them is much stronger.
As stated, Angel's beams originally clashed perfectly with Freedom, causing the great division. After this, we see that Freedom's entire body was obliterated, while the Angel was left relatively unharmed (likely due to their hax as a being capable of reforming themself). This is further reinforced by the fact that the Angel went back in time to face Freedom, they were entirely decapitated without any type of struggle. If Freedom is able to hurt the angel so effortlessly, even though their combined attack obliterated them, then it lends further credence to the Angel's survival being off of their hax.
However, when the Angel is a crown it was somehow able to not only destroy the Giza Glass sword, but completely blitz freedom in the process? So if your argument is that the base Angel would've been able to do this then... no. In terms of it not causing some kind of reaction, it's possible the fact Angel's plasma was so powerful that it didn't hold a sustained clash with the Giza Glass could be it. We also don't know how being a crown could change its plasma abilities, and since the Angel crown was literally made with Giza Glass it could've changed the reaction? We just don't know, and the fact that the Angel is entirely different with new powers and hax in its crown form doesn't help (like it gets fusionism out of nowhere?)
Even if we did say that the great division wasn't caused by the giza glass and plasma synergism, it doesn't change the fact that Freedom doesn't scale to the earth getting destroyed and nor does the Angel.
In regards to other retcons, Alcatraz not being an overarching god doesn't fully work because Modern Day is kind of its own thing now. Like, looking at the Modern Day cannon, sure you could call it retcon, but for the main series it isn't. Also, you could say it isn't a retcon, as the type of god Eve said Alcatraz isn't is not what it is in modern day. Eve said that Alcatraz isn't some kind of multiverse overlord who is pulling the strings in all realities. This is technically still true, since Alcatraz in modern day is only "god" in the sense of its general power, and the fact that two of its offshoots, the Debate Demon and the Monument Monster, become Tree and Serpent who created the universe. This means they aren't a multiversal puppet master, but just a god of their world.
For the Lunarian inclusion, that's not a retcon at all? That's just an author saying they had an idea originally but didn't do it. That's like calling concept art "retcons" because they aren't apart of the final story. Like yeah, she thought of including them but then decided against it.
Finally, even if we DID wan't to give them scaling to the cracking of the earth, they definitely don't scale to the great division itself. Even herself said them being infinitely powerful is just a hax thing, and that they defy so many laws of reality that she considers them infinitely powerful in that sense. And no, Freedoms head surviving means nothing. In no universe would 90% of a person's body being vaporized give them a tier, let alone a possibly because one body part somehow survived.
Only major thing I don't have a problem with is angel surviving air force one exploding. That was never considered a cap on its power. Far from it. Hell, it has an accepted feat on the wiki way higher than it already.
In regards to the events of Season 3, the major issue in that situation is that the Angel was beheaded by Freedom and became a canyon crown. While becoming a Canyon Crown doesn't inherently give an exact "boost" or change certain abilities, human crowns are definitely stronger than their human counterparts, so its likely that the same is true for Angel. Beyond speculation though, the presentation of Angel's power shows that the crown variant of them is much stronger.
As stated, Angel's beams originally clashed perfectly with Freedom, causing the great division. After this, we see that Freedom's entire body was obliterated, while the Angel was left relatively unharmed (likely due to their hax as a being capable of reforming themself). This is further reinforced by the fact that the Angel went back in time to face Freedom, they were entirely decapitated without any type of struggle. If Freedom is able to hurt the angel so effortlessly, even though their combined attack obliterated them, then it lends further credence to the Angel's survival being off of their hax.
However, when the Angel is a crown it was somehow able to not only destroy the Giza Glass sword, but completely blitz freedom in the process? So if your argument is that the base Angel would've been able to do this then... no. In terms of it not causing some kind of reaction, it's possible the fact Angel's plasma was so powerful that it didn't hold a sustained clash with the Giza Glass could be it. We also don't know how being a crown could change its plasma abilities, and since the Angel crown was literally made with Giza Glass it could've changed the reaction? We just don't know, and the fact that the Angel is entirely different with new powers and hax in its crown form doesn't help (like it gets fusionism out of nowhere?)
Not sure what you mean by blitz but whatever, if angels plasma and the Giza glass interaction in of itself is a chain reaction then it doesn’t matter if it’s hypothetical stronger. A little match stick can still ignite a bunch of oil. I see no reason for angels plasma to be different, even though the crowns are floating heads there still made out of flesh and bone.
Even if we did say that the great division wasn't caused by the giza glass and plasma synergism, it doesn't change the fact that Freedom doesn't scale to the earth getting destroyed and nor does the Angel.
In regards to other retcons, Alcatraz not being an overarching god doesn't fully work because Modern Day is kind of its own thing now. Like, looking at the Modern Day cannon, sure you could call it retcon, but for the main series it isn't. Also, you could say it isn't a retcon, as the type of god Eve said Alcatraz isn't is not what it is in modern day. Eve said that Alcatraz isn't some kind of multiverse overlord who is pulling the strings in all realities. This is technically still true, since Alcatraz in modern day is only "god" in the sense of its general power, and the fact that two of its offshoots, the Debate Demon and the Monument Monster, become Tree and Serpent who created the universe. This means they aren't a multiversal puppet master, but just a god of their world.
Modern day is literally a prequel what are you talking about? And the whole point of it being a retcon is that eve original said Alcatraz was not on the scale of manilpuating everything and but then Eve’s self insert says otherwise and calls it the “only god” then says we’re all made up of each other. Which lines up with serpent literally making an entire universe out of Alcatraz matter
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For the Lunarian inclusion, that's not a retcon at all? That's just an author saying they had an idea originally but didn't do it. That's like calling concept art "retcons" because they aren't apart of the final story. Like yeah, she thought of including them but then decided against it.
Finally, even if we DID wan't to give them scaling to the cracking of the earth, they definitely don't scale to the great division itself. Even herself said them being infinitely powerful is just a hax thing, and that they defy so many laws of reality that she considers them infinitely powerful in that sense. And no, Freedoms head surviving means nothing. In no universe would 90% of a person's body being vaporized give them a tier, let alone a possibly because one body part somehow survived.
Only major thing I don't have a problem with is angel surviving air force one exploding. That was never considered a cap on its power. Far from it. Hell, it has an accepted feat on the wiki way higher than it already.
The fact is that Freedom's entire body was destroyed in the explosion, and so it scaling wise doesn't make sense that Angel could tank the explosion yet somehow also get destroyed by Freedom's sword. Giza Glass doesn't inherently have dura neg, and instead (as Eve stated) has space distorting effects likely in relation to its ability to keep cut objects connected (like how when it cuts someone they can still feel their body).
In regards to the Angel thing, I'm not trying to say that's exactly what happened, just that we really don't know how the Angel survived. Considering how the scaling chain just doesn't work, and the Angel has hax that would allow them to survive when Freedom didn't shows that your conclusion isn't exact.
Not sure what you mean by blitz but whatever, if angels plasma and the Giza glass interaction in of itself is a chain reaction then it doesn’t matter if it’s hypothetical stronger. A little match stick can still ignite a bunch of oil. I see no reason for angels plasma to be different, even though the crowns are floating heads there still made out of flesh and bone.
The Angel as a canyon crown was able to blast the Giza Glass blade and destroy it while Freedom was in the middle of fighting Everrett. He blows it up while she's going in for another attack. That being said, the point wasn't inherently just that the plasma is stronger, and thus a reaction wouldn't occur. It definitely is stonger based off the scaling I've mentioned before, and there is definitely something to be said there about a stronger ability being able to resist that kind of reaction (plus your analogy is backwards; this is like trying to light a match with an atomic bomb), but that isn't the point. The point is that you are trying to say the the base Angel is the same as the Angel as a crown. We just don't have any information on the differences between them, and as a matter of fact, we know it is definitely stronger and may even have new abilities. It just may not cause that kind of reaction as a crown, and we have no way to say one way or another.
Modern day is literally a prequel what are you talking about? And the whole point of it being a retcon is that eve original said Alcatraz was not on the scale of manilpuating everything and but then Eve’s self insert says otherwise and calls it the “only god” then says we’re all made up of each other. Which lines up with serpent literally making an entire universe out of Alcatraz matter
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Whatever the retcon may or may not be, talking about Modern Day doesn't matter because its addition is only cannon to itself. Due to its removal, it isn't conducive of the mainline series. Think of it as "Monument Mythos GT" or "Monument Mythos Daima" in a sense. Monument Mythos S1-3, is cannon to itself, and Modern Day was cannon for a time, but ever since its removal it isn't really apart of the series anymore. Season 3 was like that too until it got readded back to the main cannon/channel. TL;DR, you can look at Modern Day as its own thing, but any changes and editions are cannon only to that version of the story.
Again, gave my reasons why Angel surviving doesn't make any sense. And no, Freedom didn't survive. There's no indication whatsoever that her head was alive, let alone would anyone take that implication as what happened without a statement.
Overall, I think the Moon feat would honestly be the best and most logical thing they should scale too (which by my rough estimates is like High 6-A). Maybe, and I can not stress how much of a maybe this is, I think you could either say that the Angel and freedom possibly scale to half of the world cracking feat each, and AT BEST possibly scale to the whole world cracking feat. In no way do I think either of them should be on par with the Horned Serpent and his High 3-A or Low 2-C feats. Right now though, I disagree with a lot of this and don't think this should go through as is.
The fact is that Freedom's entire body was destroyed in the explosion, and so it scaling wise doesn't make sense that Angel could tank the explosion yet somehow also get destroyed by Freedom's sword. Giza Glass doesn't inherently have dura neg, and instead (as Eve stated) has space distorting effects likely in relation to its ability to keep cut objects connected (like how when it cuts someone they can still feel their body).
In regards to the Angel thing, I'm not trying to say that's exactly what happened, just that we really don't know how the Angel survived. Considering how the scaling chain just doesn't work, and the Angel has hax that would allow them to survive when Freedom didn't shows that your conclusion isn't exact.
Still no confirmation of that, causing distortion in space is a hax lol
Unless you have evidence to suggest the angel reformed I see no reason to assume he did for the explosion, this isn’t even something they regularly. The only times it happens is when there born and when they commit cosmic sucide so I don’t even see it as a valid explanation tbh.
The Angel as a canyon crown was able to blast the Giza Glass blade and destroy it while Freedom was in the middle of fighting Everrett. He blows it up while she's going in for another attack. That being said, the point wasn't inherently just that the plasma is stronger, and thus a reaction wouldn't occur. It definitely is stonger based off the scaling I've mentioned before, and there is definitely something to be said there about a stronger ability being able to resist that kind of reaction (plus your analogy is backwards; this is like trying to light a match with an atomic bomb), but that isn't the point. The point is that you are trying to say the the base Angel is the same as the Angel as a crown. We just don't have any information on the differences between them, and as a matter of fact, we know it is definitely stronger and may even have new abilities. It just may not cause that kind of reaction as a crown, and we have no way to say one way or another.
Ok still don’t see how that’s a blitz but whatever. And as I’ve said we have no reason to believe its abiltes are ultimately different. The only things that happen in a crown is the growth in size and flight. There’s still made out of flesh and bone. No other crowns can shoot out lasers or breath fire.
Whatever the retcon may or may not be, talking about Modern Day doesn't matter because its addition is only cannon to itself. Due to its removal, it isn't conducive of the mainline series. Think of it as "Monument Mythos GT" or "Monument Mythos Daima" in a sense. Monument Mythos S1-3, is cannon to itself, and Modern Day was cannon for a time, but ever since its removal it isn't really apart of the series anymore. Season 3 was like that too until it got readded back to the main cannon/channel. TL;DR, you can look at Modern Day as its own thing, but any changes and editions are cannon only to that version of the story.
Again, gave my reasons why Angel surviving doesn't make any sense. And no, Freedom didn't survive. There's no indication whatsoever that her head was alive, let alone would anyone take that implication as what happened without a statement.
Overall, I think the Moon feat would honestly be the best and most logical thing they should scale too (which by my rough estimates is like High 6-A). Maybe, and I can not stress how much of a maybe this is, I think you could either say that the Angel and freedom possibly scale to half of the world cracking feat each, and AT BEST possibly scale to the whole world cracking feat. In no way do I think either of them should be on par with the Horned Serpent and his High 3-A or Low 2-C feats. Right now though, I disagree with a lot of this and don't think this should go through as is.
I mean I dont really see why, besdies all the stuff we already talked about it was there combined power with evertt that destroyed the serpent. Can’t imagine a couple of high 6-A’s killing some 2-C character in one shot.
Still no confirmation of that, causing distortion in space is a hax lol
Unless you have evidence to suggest the angel reformed I see no reason to assume he did for the explosion, this isn’t even something they regularly. The only times it happens is when there born and when they commit cosmic sucide so I don’t even see it as a valid explanation tbh.
You are genuinely missing the point though. I'm not saying my interpretation is 100% true, just that your claims aren't as substantiated as you claim them to be when there are other options AND evidence to counteract it. Your argument isn't anything better than a "possibly" AT BEST.
Although again, it isn't that far fetched that the Angel could survive by reformation. It basically did a Dr. Manhattan when it was first born, reforming itself from the particles of the atomized soldiers, so the idea that it could do it again when caught up in an explosion isn't far fetched.
Ok still don’t see how that’s a blitz but whatever. And as I’ve said we have no reason to believe its abiltes are ultimately different. The only things that happen in a crown is the growth in size and flight. There’s still made out of flesh and bone. No other crowns can shoot out lasers or breath fire.
Freedom and Everett were mid combat when the Angel obliterated Freedom's sword inbetween. They basically blitzed her attack before it could hit Everett, or hell before she could even move far at all.
And again, we just don't know enough to say they are the same. The Angel as a crown has better feats than the base angel, has weird new abilities like fusionism, and crowns in general gain new abilities via getting cut by Giza glass. We don't know how the Angel was affected, so to say the crown Angel and the base Angel are one in the same isn't valid.
No matter the reason Modern was removed, it is still kind of in a "light cannon" position. S1-3 and the Nixonverse are cannon to it, but not the other way around, simply because it is still removed and not representative of the current story that Eve is telling. Hell, Alternate American Folklore basically takes the position of what Modern day was, and while I haven't finished it, is the continuation that Eve is going with instead. For future reference, Modern Day is basically it's own key on profiles.
In no verse would the implication of someone's entire body getting vaporized, leaving only their head mean that they survived, let alone scale to an attack. Leaving the head was probably just visual flair and isn't meant to show that she somehow tanked the explosion.
I mean I dont really see why, besdies all the stuff we already talked about it was there combined power with evertt that destroyed the serpent. Can’t imagine a couple of high 6-A’s killing some 2-C character in one shot.
Huh??? I'm assuming you are talking about the Martian Serpent which is a whole other thing, but the fact that they fused into an entirely new being is more than enough evidence that they could kill something like the Martian Serpent. We don't know how the fusion occurred, but there's no reason is had to be a linear or even multiplicative fusion of power.
Either way, it doesn't matter how they killed the Martian Serpent since it wasn't in base for any of them.
I don't think I agree with the low 2-C arguments after reading and as the WoG said in the scans you posted they aren't able to destroy the moon either or at least not in one solid blow so scaling to low 5-B for splitting the earth in half beyond its GBE would be out of the question if I'm understanding that to be correct, its either that or we take the moon chunk statement with a grain of salt which I don't think is the right move as it definitely sounds like they are certainly 6-B ~ High 6-A.
But just having a one off infinite power statement and saying they are anomalies that don't follow the rules of the world don't equate to tier 2 ratings not without a lot more backing it and you'd have to prove its in a specific way where they could attack with infinite potency which wouldn't be the case obviously if they are capped at only being able to wipe out large chunks of the moon in singular blows. So like sure compared to a human scale they would be infinitely powerful but this doesn't work for low 2-C.
This is just my take from reading the OP not knowing anything about the series
I don't think I agree with the low 2-C arguments after reading and as the WoG said in the scans you posted they aren't able to destroy the moon either or at least not in one solid blow so scaling to low 5-B for splitting the earth in half beyond its GBE would be out of the question if I'm understanding that to be correct, its either that or we take the moon chunk statement with a grain of salt which I don't think is the right move as it definitely sounds like they are certainly 6-B ~ High 6-A.
Ya expect the whole point of my retcon section was the fact that it doesn’t line up with the characters power currently. And the feat is just the earth getting blown up not split in half
But just having a one off infinite power statement and saying they are anomalies that don't follow the rules of the world don't equate to tier 2 ratings not without a lot more backing it and you'd have to prove its in a specific way where they could attack with infinite potency which wouldn't be the case obviously if they are capped at only being able to wipe out large chunks of the moon in singular blows. So like sure compared to a human scale they would be infinitely powerful but this doesn't work for low 2-C.
This is just my take from reading the OP not knowing anything about the series
Um that’s not the only reason for my proposal of there higher tier. Angel survives essentially the destruction of the earth and universe along with freedoms head and in the alt timeline they combine together with evertt to defeat the Martian serpent which is 2-c
Ya expect the whole point of my retcon section was the fact that it doesn’t line up with the characters power currently. And the feat is just the earth getting blown up not split in half
right but as said the retcon section doesn't really support your point or honestly even act as a retcon, nothing there really contradicts what was said before as far as where WoG placed their belief of the power of the characters in question so I have doubts about even calling it a retcon to begin with from what I read.
Like I said above compared to a human scale they would be infinitely powerful but this doesn't work for low 2-C as a justification and it doesn't work as a retcon either as having AP on a scale that could vaporize entire large chunks of the moon would already put you high into tier 6 around the 6-B ~ High 6-A range already which is power that could wipe the entire surface of earth and compared to the energy and scale of things humanity has access too would basically just be considered infinitely powerful from a real world perspective.
If the above argument is accurate they literally got vaped and lost their entire body with only the head somehow remaining so its not something you can say they scale to if it literally basically kills them and vapes them in their entirely, again that's IF i'm reading the above section right
Right but as said above that would have no bearing on them individually as you can't say for certain how much it amped them therefore it can ONLY scale to the merged form
You are genuinely missing the point though. I'm not saying my interpretation is 100% true, just that your claims aren't as substantiated as you claim them to be when there are other options AND evidence to counteract it. Your argument isn't anything better than a "possibly" AT BEST.
Although again, it isn't that far fetched that the Angel could survive by reformation. It basically did a Dr. Manhattan when it was first born, reforming itself from the particles of the atomized soldiers, so the idea that it could do it again when caught up in an explosion isn't far fetched.
I’m not, my point is you suggesting that angel reforms after the explosion. But there’s literally no reason to believe that they do because A. it never being implied or stated to be a thing that happened, B not even something they do regularly like say logia’s from one piece. Angel tanking the explosions is the more reasonable route with the evidence we have
Freedom and Everett were mid combat when the Angel obliterated Freedom's sword inbetween. They basically blitzed her attack before it could hit Everett, or hell before she could even move far at all.
And again, we just don't know enough to say they are the same. The Angel as a crown has better feats than the base angel, has weird new abilities like fusionism, and crowns in general gain new abilities via getting cut by Giza glass. We don't know how the Angel was affected, so to say the crown Angel and the base Angel are one in the same isn't valid.
Intercepting an attack or blocking an attack isn’t blitzing that’s literally just them being comparable. This is like saying immortal is faster then omniman cuz he got to omniman before he could get to mark
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My point is there energy should have set off with the Giza glass. The crown and angel are still made of the same stuff just like how crowns are still flesh and bone. The fusionism shouldn’t even be anything to crazy considering bro literally combined with and over road the memories of his past self
No matter the reason Modern was removed, it is still kind of in a "light cannon" position. S1-3 and the Nixonverse are cannon to it, but not the other way around, simply because it is still removed and not representative of the current story that Eve is telling. Hell, Alternate American Folklore basically takes the position of what Modern day was, and while I haven't finished it, is the continuation that Eve is going with instead. For future reference, Modern Day is basically its own key on profiles.
In no verse would the implication of someone's entire body getting vaporized, leaving only their head mean that they survived, let alone scale to an attack. Leaving the head was probably just visual flair and isn't meant to show that she somehow tanked the explosion.
Huh??? I'm assuming you are talking about the Martian Serpent which is a whole other thing, but the fact that they fused into an entirely new being is more than enough evidence that they could kill something like the Martian Serpent. We don't know how the fusion occurred, but there's no reason is had to be a linear or even multiplicative fusion of power.
Either way, it doesn't matter how they killed the Martian Serpent since it wasn't in base for any of them.
It kinda dose as it supports the higher end scale. I’m not saying they can individually one tap the serpent or anything my point is the fact that there combined power was enough to overwhelm a foe of that magnitude would speak to how strong they are individually to a degree
I’m not, my point is you suggesting that angel reforms after the explosion. But there’s literally no reason to believe that they do because A. it never being implied or stated to be a thing that happened, B not even something they do regularly like say logia’s from one piece. Angel tanking the explosions is the more reasonable route with the evidence we have
AGAIN, the point wasn't that there was more reason to believe it, just that your claims weren't any better (and even worse considering how contradictory the scaling chain is).
Intercepting an attack or blocking an attack isn’t blitzing that’s literally just them being comparable. This is like saying immortal is faster then omniman cuz he got to omniman before he could get to mark
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My point is there energy should have set off with the Giza glass. The crown and angel are still made of the same stuff just like how crowns are still flesh and bone. The fusionism shouldn’t even be anything to crazy considering bro literally combined with and over road the memories of his past self
When the Angel and Freedom fought the first time, they were comparable speed, blocking each others attacks, etc. That's more like what you see in that moment with Omni-man and Immortal. What the crown Angel did though was more like shooting someone from a couple feet away as their throwing a punch. Angels beam traveled to Freedom and took out her sword way faster than she could continue to attack Everett.
And again, you have no evidence that they are exactly the same. The reaction between Giza Glass and the plasma is pretty deliberate, and, shocker, the moment the Angel is changed by something made of Giza Glass, the reaction doesn't occur. Even if you REALLY want to push that there's no Giza Glass reaction, it doesn't change how neither of them scale to the Earths destruction via the presentation of Freedom's death and the scaling chain simply not working.
Okay I'm genuinely not arguing this if you are going to act this way about this feat. Don't act like the literal universe altering cataclysm didn't cause her body to get destroyed. Like literally, there's no way you can argue her head being left on the ground while the rest of her body was destroyed means anything other than the fact she did not scale to it. Like I'm not trying to be mean here, but are you serious?
It kinda dose as it supports the higher end scale. I’m not saying they can individually one tap the serpent or anything my point is the fact that there combined power was enough to overwhelm a foe of that magnitude would speak to how strong they are individually to a degree
We have no idea how their powers combined though. How a fusion acts isn't indicative of the scaling of the beings making it up and vice versa unless statements are also given on it. Hell, we don't even know how they did it fully. Does the perfect union scale to the Martian Serpent? Yeah. Could it have been hax or any number of things one of the characters has in their kit combined together? Yeah.
