[Marvel Comics] Upgrade for Marvel Stomper

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Ms. Marvel Kamala Khan
Her current profile needs some updates so I made a Sandbox

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I will be talking about the most important changes in the thread too.
Before we start, I need to say that the Sandbox still has some stuff that needs to be discussed as I'm not sure about what's best in those cases.

P&A
There isn't much to see here, some new resistances, a new tab for her destined one suit with proper powers included, nothing fancy mostly just self evident, but...

Time travel
Marvel made some explaination about how her powers work, It's a real odd case because Kamala herself doesn't time travel only her molecules do. She exchanges mass with her past and future selves. I'm not even sure how to deal with this so I just put it as limited.

New Tiers
There is quite a few upgrades here, and big ones at that, some of them will have options to be discussed because I'm not sure which ones are best to use here.

Varies rating
I think she needs a varies rating because of her ability to change her size, which she does constantly, and different from Ant Man she doesn't really have a consistent size, some times she is towering buildings, some times she is just taller than humans, sometimes she shrinks to "ant size", ect... It's stated that her mass and weight does increase when she grows, which should make her stronger.

Attack potency
Her current profile has her scaling to Shocker, which is pretty ridiculous even more so how it's phrased "trade blows", as if it was a fair fight, Ms. Marvel would have ended the fight in the first few seconds if not for her powers being affected by a machine, the times she has some control over her powers she just destroys and literally stomps him. She should at least highly upscale from Shocker. She actually has statement of normally holding back.
She has other feat, she clearly scales higher than tier 8, which is why she also has some scaling with tier 5s as noted in her profile, so I put her as downscaling with tier 5-B.

Speed
Now cames the question how high should she scale? Hypersonic or relativistic+? She has feats with lot's of characters, she is not really consistent on the people she fights, she can go from cosmic to street tiers in the same book.
I also thought about having her scale with Beast, but his speed section is a mess

Speed: At least High Hypersonic, likely High Hypersonic+ with Hypersonic combat speed via scaling from Captain America and Daredevil.

He has a High Hypersonic calc but has Hypersonic combat speed? Why isn't he High Hypersonic in combat speed too? Is there a reason for why his leaping should be higher than his normal speed?

Lifting Strenght
I don't even know why is que class 25 now train cars should be at least 30 tons empty, it's stated there are hundreds inside and she is doing it with one hand, this is an at least high into class 100
I found an even better feat, she is slowing down a full train which is stated to be over 1 mile long, just using average train car size of about 16 meters with an average weight of 30 tons reaches almost 3000 tons class M
I also found an apparently accepted calc for Mister Hyde, I don't think anyone is using it, and it's not on Marvel's page, so can this be used?

Range
So, who would have thought Kamala might get Multiversal tier even if it's only in range. Well as explained earlier she exchanges mass with her past and future selfs, actually in an experiment made by Bruno using Kamala's DNA and attempting to recreate her power he opened a rift to multiple possible futures of Kamala, she can trade her mass with multiple timelines at the same time, presumely all of the timelines where she exists, I'm not sure what tier is that actually, or if this should even be on her profile since it's really weird case.

Conclusion
There were quite a few changes hope you are ok with this.

• New powers
• Varies rating
• AP Upgrade
• Speed Upgrade
• Lifting strenght upgrade
• Range upgrade

And if you can answer my questions when you give your vote that would be appreciated.

Agree: Hixkaryana, TWILIGHT-OP, Maverick_Zero_X, Antvasima (Ant-man feat), LordTracer (Class G)

 

[Hixkaryana]

I agree with all of this and I suppose Beast's C.Speed was deattached from his T.Speed because it requires a special technique for him to move at High Hypersonic+ speeds, which he doesn't primarily use in combat/close quarters.

 

[Antvasima]

This mostly seems fine, except for that I think that Giant-Man could only grow to 10 feet at that point in time, not larger than a universe as he can currently do, so outperforming him is not impressive, and that feat should be removed.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I agree with all of this and I suppose Beast's C.Speed was deattached from his T.Speed because it requires a special technique for him to move at High Hypersonic+ speeds, which he doesn't primarily use in combat/close quarters.

I guess, but leaping doesn't seem like a special technique, and I don't think Beast has any reason to became faster for a single technique, that would still scale to reaction speed in combat.

This mostly seems fine, except for that I think that Giant-Man could only grow to 10 feet at that point in time, not larger than a universe as he can currently do, so outperforming him is not impressive, and that feat should be removed.

I'm not trying to scale her to outversal, planet level should still be a possibility without becoming larger than universe right? Wasn't he capable of going over 100 feet at this point or was it later? But sure I can remove that,

 

[Hixkaryana]

I guess, but leaping doesn't seem like a special technique, and I don't think Beast has any reason to became faster for a single technique, that would still scale to reaction speed in combat.

Meh, that’s arguable. Leaping often increases the overall distance you can travel on a short period, and I think that was the context of the calculation. The only way you would scale to it is if Beast was shown to leap towards you and you reacted to it.

 

[Excellence616]

Everything looks good. I think she should get self matter manipulation for her manipulating her body molecules.

She should get Relativistic speed too. Her justification is okay.

This mostly seems fine, except for that I think that Giant-Man could only grow to 10 feet at that point in time, not larger than a universe as he can currently do, so outperforming him is not impressive, and that feat should be removed.

We are not scaling anything above 5-B. Her scaling to Giant Man is okay.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Meh, that’s arguable. Leaping often increases the overall distance you can travel on a short period, and I think that was the context of the calculation.

Maybe, but leaping will end up with them be limited by gravity which is much slower than high hipersonic.

The only way you would scale to it is if Beast was shown to leap towards you and you reacted to it.

I still don't see why that wouldn't scale to his normal reaction speed, even if he has slower movement speed while in combat his reaction speed should still be the same.

Anyways that should be made clear on his profile something like

Speed: Hypersonic combat speed via scaling from Captain America and Daredevil, at least High Hypersonic, likely High Hypersonic+ by leaping.

the way it is now is bad.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Everything looks good. I think she should get self matter manipulation for her manipulating her body molecules.

She should get Relativistic speed too. Her justification is okay.

We are not scaling anything above 5-B. Her scaling to Giant Man is okay.

What's your opinion on lifting strenght? That mister Hyde calc could be put to some use.

 

[Excellence616]

What's your opinion on lifting strenght? That mister Hyde calc could be put to some use.

I see no issue

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Tabber in P&A was moving up so I fixed it and rest of the stuff looks good.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Tabber in P&A was moving up so I fixed it and rest of the stuff like good.

So... I'm gonna steal that piece of code you used from now on.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The revised profile looks good.

 

[LordTracer]

New profile looks mostly fine, but I have some slight issues with it.

I don’t see why she’s ’At most’ 5-B when it seems like she scales pretty solidly to Giant-Man, who’s solid 5-B, and Super-Skrull, who’s At least 5-B.

As for the speed, I personally find the Rel+ ratings for the Fantastic Four questionable and would prefer not to scale off of them, but I don’t plan on making a CRT to change that any time soon, so I’ll leave the speed decision to other staff.

For her lifting strength, it doesn’t seem like she’s actually overpowering Mister Hyde in LS. The first scan, she doesn’t really do anything but annoy him. The second one, she just yanks something out of his hands. The third one, she just physically beats him up, which isn’t lifting strength.

 

[Hixkaryana]

For her lifting strength, it doesn’t seem like she’s actually overpowering Mister Hyde in LS. The first scan, she doesn’t really do anything but annoy him. The second one, she just yanks something out of his hands. The third one, she just physically beats him up, which isn’t lifting strength.

In the same comic she was shown to be able to struggle her way out of his grasp and physically overpower him, pinning him down to the ground.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

New profile looks mostly fine, but I have some slight issues with it.

I don’t see why she’s ’At most’ 5-B when it seems like she scales pretty solidly to Giant-Man, who’s solid 5-B, and Super-Skrull, who’s At least 5-B.

I thought there would be a lot of disagreement towards 5-B so I thought it was better to downscale her from that.

As for the speed, I personally find the Rel+ ratings for the Fantastic Four questionable and would prefer not to scale off of them, but I don’t plan on making a CRT to change that any time soon, so I’ll leave the speed decision to other staff.

She has dodging laser feats of her own which are there to support.

For her lifting strength, it doesn’t seem like she’s actually overpowering Mister Hyde in LS. The first scan, she doesn’t really do anything but annoy him. The second one, she just yanks something out of his hands. The third one, she just physically beats him up, which isn’t lifting strength.

The first scan shows multiple poses of them fighting in one of them Mister Hyde is trying to hit her with a bed but Kamala takes it out of his hand because we clearly see it in the air the next part, I think that counts, also there is the other part where he is trying to take her off his neck and clearly struggling to do so or he wouldn't have to throw himself against a wall to try taking her off and she is still there the next moment. The second and third scans is her being empowered after absorbing electricity which is stated to make her stronger. Overall Kamala is strong enough to hurt him, him saying "annoyance" sounds much more like him being "a man", the same way villains call spiderman annoyance but they aren't stronger than him.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Bump

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

This mostly seems fine, except for that I think that Giant-Man could only grow to 10 feet at that point in time, not larger than a universe as he can currently do, so outperforming him is not impressive, and that feat should be removed.

Do you still want me to take it out?

For her lifting strength, it doesn’t seem like she’s actually overpowering Mister Hyde in LS. The first scan, she doesn’t really do anything but annoy him. The second one, she just yanks something out of his hands. The third one, she just physically beats him up, which isn’t lifting strength.

I commented an answer to this and so did

In the same comic she was shown to be able to struggle her way out of his grasp and physically overpower him, pinning him down to the ground.

It seems I have 3 votes agreeing but I would like to make sure all agree with everything or if changes are necessary

 

[Hixkaryana]

I agree for everything, so you can count me for that.

 

[Antvasima]

I guess, but leaping doesn't seem like a special technique, and I don't think Beast has any reason to became faster for a single technique, that would still scale to reaction speed in combat.

I'm not trying to scale her to outversal, planet level should still be a possibility without becoming larger than universe right? Wasn't he capable of going over 100 feet at this point or was it later? But sure I can remove that,

At 10 feet he used to be proportionately stronger than his regular sized self, so it is nowhere near of planetary scale.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

At 10 feet he used to be proportionately stronger than his regular sized self, so it is nowhere near of planetary scale.

Sure I will take it out

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for being reasonable.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

New profile looks mostly fine, but I have some slight issues with it.

I don’t see why she’s ’At most’ 5-B when it seems like she scales pretty solidly to Giant-Man, who’s solid 5-B, and Super-Skrull, who’s At least 5-B.

As for the speed, I personally find the Rel+ ratings for the Fantastic Four questionable and would prefer not to scale off of them, but I don’t plan on making a CRT to change that any time soon, so I’ll leave the speed decision to other staff.

For her lifting strength, it doesn’t seem like she’s actually overpowering Mister Hyde in LS. The first scan, she doesn’t really do anything but annoy him. The second one, she just yanks something out of his hands. The third one, she just physically beats him up, which isn’t lifting strength.

Can you came back to confirm your vote? Your problem regarding LS was answered.

 

[SamanPatou]

The profile looks good, though I have to voice some doubts.

• What are you referring to with bioluminescence? It's in the original profile as well, but it would be nice to have more information.
• I disagree with resistance to Electricity, as being able to endure the shock is more a matter of stamina and technically even durability. In those scenes she does hold on, but she isn't resisting it, she suffers the entire blow.
• I don't like how the varies rating is presented, because while true that her strength changes with her size, the wording "up to" implies she reaches higher tiers by increasing her size, yet she KOs Super-Skrull while in human form, and all the High 8-C feats are performed while enlarged or even colossal.

I'm also not sure if 5-B is really deserved, don't we usually scrutinize characters more in this kind of situation? To look for consistency in a character's gallery of rogues and general situations they are put into.
I don't know to what Minn-Erva scales to, as she doesn't have a profile, but looking in the issue references, she takes no damage from the stomp (she's shown to be totally fine moments later) and her monster form isn't hurt by Kamala, instead it's Spider-Man who first knocks her down (with Kamala's support for kinetic energy, but still) and then punches her a few times.
Lastly, restraining Hulk should be more of a LS feat, but in any case, in the comic used for reference she really wraps him up for like, just one second, as he is immediately assaulted by a bunch of strong heroes a moment later. Amadeus's sister a few pages earlier says that they're using their technology to prevent Amadeus from harnessing his Gamma powers, so as a result he is also getting progressively weaker.

With this, I'm not necessarily against tier 5, but I want assurance that her beating Super Skrull isn't one of the many outliers that exist throughout Marvel, also because the two support feats presented don't look that solid to me.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Saman's analysis makes sense here.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The profile looks good, though I have to voice some doubts.

• What are you referring to with bioluminescence? It's in the original profile as well, but it would be nice to have more information.

I'm really not sure but it's actually noted on her page on Marvel official website

• I disagree with resistance to Electricity, as being able to endure the shock is more a matter of stamina and technically even durability. In those scenes she does hold on, but she isn't resisting it, she suffers the entire blow.

She took a full blast from Miles who after that went unconscious while Kamala had little to no damage.

• I don't like how the varies rating is presented, because while true that her strength changes with her size, the wording "up to" implies she reaches higher tiers by increasing her size, yet she KOs Super-Skrull while in human form, and all the High 8-C feats are performed while enlarged or even colossal.

Kamala is actually very inconsistent while fighting, her size in mid fight is really weird as she is constantly changing and her forms go from "paper like" to big solid attacks from even mid panels. As for Super Skrull it should be consistent because he claims she her abilities are more powerful than his own which is why he needs and attacks her, this very issue where Kamala fights him brings back past battles with the fantastic four and with Ms Marvel and even worse it's stated that he needs Kamala's powers to turn planets into his own people, Super Skrull actually directly hits her with "The thing arm".

I'm also not sure if 5-B is really deserved, don't we usually scrutinize characters more in this kind of situation? To look for consistency in a character's gallery of rogues and general situations they are put into.

As I said in the OP she completely overpowers the tier 8s and keeping her at that tier makes no sense.

I don't know to what Minn-Erva scales to, as she doesn't have a profile, but looking in the issue references, she takes no damage from the stomp (she's shown to be totally fine moments later) and her monster form isn't hurt by Kamala, instead it's Spider-Man who first knocks her down (with Kamala's support for kinetic energy, but still) and then punches her a few times.

Minn-Erva should comparable to the Original Ms. Marvel in power which is stated in the same issue, it's hard to say if she got hurt as she was down enough time for Ms Marvel to go look for the cacoon that Minn-Erva wanted to herself, and more important she felt the need to turn into her monster form which is stated to be above her normal Ms Marvel powers so she clearly saw her as a threat.

Lastly, restraining Hulk should be more of a LS feat, but in any case, in the comic used for reference she really wraps him up for like, just one second, as he is immediately assaulted by a bunch of strong heroes a moment later. Amadeus's sister a few pages early says they're using their technology to prevent Amadeus from using his Gamma powers, so as a result he is also getting progressively weaker.

She restrained him long enought for another to give an attack. After this attack when Hulk should be weaker he took on attacks from Captain Marvel and Thor and proceded to release more gamma after that there is no way he was weaker than 5-B, for starters this entire arc is "World war Hulk 2" Considering the first one it seems kinda downplay to consider him weaker than Grey Hulk.

 

[Tomfer]

The only problem I have is with her 5-B rating because of Saman's reasons. Since her power grows with how big she is, and she's not big at all against Skrull, I disagree for now.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The only problem I have is with her 5-B rating because of Saman's reasons. Since her power grows with how big she is, and she's not big at all against Skrull, I disagree for now.

Just to let clear, she is different from Ant man, her body is not necessarily proporcional in size, she is constantly shown multiple times with feet or fists many times the size of her full body, just because her body seems small doesn't mean she hit super Skrull with a normal size foot.

 

[Tomfer]

Just to let clear, she is different from Ant man, her body is not necessarily proporcional in size, she is constantly shown multiple times with feet or fists many times the size of her full body, just because her body seems small doesn't mean she hit super Skrull with a normal size foot.

Okay so? Her leg is clearly normal size before and after the kick with nothing to indicate that she altered the size.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Okay so? Her leg is clearly normal size before and after the kick with nothing to indicate that she altered the size.

It doesn't really matter, that's her thing, she constantly changes her shape in completely ridiculous ways from frame to frame, this time she was normal and then whipped the heck out of Bullseye and changed back to normal, her feet doesn't show when she hit Super Skrull since the image focus is the Skrull but she could have attacked him with her feet with any shape, could be a spike, could be a whip, a flat feet anything really.

 

[Tomfer]

It doesn't really matter, that's her thing, she constantly changes her shape in completely ridiculous ways from frame to frame, this time she was normal and then whipped the heck out of Bullseye and changed back to normal, her feet doesn't show when she hit Super Skrull since the image focus is the Skrull but she could have attacked him with her feet with any shape, could be a spike, could be a whip, a flat feet anything really.

The Bullseye scan clearly shows her using her powers with an entire panel showing her entire leg, the one against Skrull does not.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The Bullseye scan clearly shows her using her powers with an entire panel showing her entire leg, the one against Skrull does not.

It only shows her leg after it already hit him while we see him flying, the one against the super Skrull doesn't show her feet at all only the Skrull bleeding with her feet off panel, the next frame shows us her feet already on the super Skrulls head on the ground. For starters the whole reason she has light manipulation is because she glows when her shape changes and despite that she rarely shows it because she is rarely seen changing her shape, instead it shows her already in different shapes. After reading most of her appearances I can guarantee she almost never attacks with a normal shaped body.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The profile looks good, though I have to voice some doubts.

• What are you referring to with bioluminescence? It's in the original profile as well, but it would be nice to have more information.
• I disagree with resistance to Electricity, as being able to endure the shock is more a matter of stamina and technically even durability. In those scenes she does hold on, but she isn't resisting it, she suffers the entire blow.
• I don't like how the varies rating is presented, because while true that her strength changes with her size, the wording "up to" implies she reaches higher tiers by increasing her size, yet she KOs Super-Skrull while in human form, and all the High 8-C feats are performed while enlarged or even colossal.

I'm also not sure if 5-B is really deserved, don't we usually scrutinize characters more in this kind of situation? To look for consistency in a character's gallery of rogues and general situations they are put into.
I don't know to what Minn-Erva scales to, as she doesn't have a profile, but looking in the issue references, she takes no damage from the stomp (she's shown to be totally fine moments later) and her monster form isn't hurt by Kamala, instead it's Spider-Man who first knocks her down (with Kamala's support for kinetic energy, but still) and then punches her a few times.
Lastly, restraining Hulk should be more of a LS feat, but in any case, in the comic used for reference she really wraps him up for like, just one second, as he is immediately assaulted by a bunch of strong heroes a moment later. Amadeus's sister a few pages earlier says that they're using their technology to prevent Amadeus from harnessing his Gamma powers, so as a result he is also getting progressively weaker.

With this, I'm not necessarily against tier 5, but I want assurance that her beating Super Skrull isn't one of the many outliers that exist throughout Marvel, also because the two support feats presented don't look that solid to me.

I'm really not sure but it's actually noted on her page on Marvel official website

She took a full blast from Miles who after that went unconscious while Kamala had little to no damage.

Kamala is actually very inconsistent while fighting, her size in mid fight is really weird as she is constantly changing and her forms go from "paper like" to big solid attacks from even mid panels. As for Super Skrull it should be consistent because he claims she her abilities are more powerful than his own which is why he needs and attacks her, this very issue where Kamala fights him brings back past battles with the fantastic four and with Ms Marvel and even worse it's stated that he needs Kamala's powers to turn planets into his own people, Super Skrull actually directly hits her with "The thing arm".

As I said in the OP she completely overpowers the tier 8s and keeping her at that tier makes no sense.

Minn-Erva should comparable to the Original Ms. Marvel in power which is stated in the same issue, it's hard to say if she got hurt as she was down enough time for Ms Marvel to go look for the cacoon that Minn-Erva wanted to herself, and more important she felt the need to turn into her monster form which is stated to be above her normal Ms Marvel powers so she clearly saw her as a threat.

She restrained him long enought for another to give an attack. After this attack when Hulk should be weaker he took on attacks from Captain Marvel and Thor and proceded to release more gamma after that there is no way he was weaker than 5-B, for starters this entire arc is "World war Hulk 2" Considering the first one it seems kinda downplay to consider him weaker than Grey Hulk.

bump

 

[SamanPatou]

I'll reply later today, I don't have time rn, apologies.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem at all. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I'll reply later today, I don't have time rn, apologies.

So... Kinda late?

 

[SamanPatou]

I'm really not sure but it's actually noted on her page on Marvel official website

Understood, maybe we can link that, idk.
https://www.marvel.com/characters/m...oluminescence,-Morphogenic AbilitiesPolymorph

She took a full blast from Miles who after that went unconscious while Kamala had little to no damage.

I'd say that it still a matter of stamina and durability, because she was still affected, she just endured the blow. The several statements of electricity being her weakness also don't work in her favor, although she is surely tough.

Kamala is actually very inconsistent while fighting, her size in mid fight is really weird as she is constantly changing and her forms go from "paper like" to big solid attacks from even mid panels.

That's why I don't believe we should make her shift a tier depending on size, we either make her fully a tier or put a dual at least-possibly.

As for Super Skrull it should be consistent because he claims she her abilities are more powerful than his own which is why he needs and attacks her, this very issue where Kamala fights him brings back past battles with the fantastic four and with Ms Marvel and even worse it's stated that he needs Kamala's powers to turn planets into his own people, Super Skrull actually directly hits her with "The thing arm".

I'm not arguing the feat itself, which is solid, I mean that it may be an isolated case. I'm no expert of Mrs. Marvel, what does she do most of the time? Who does she fight? Because I wouldn't want to include one single outlier if 99% of her adventures and foes are in tier 8.

As I said in the OP she completely overpowers the tier 8s and keeping her at that tier makes no sense.

We already kinda do that with high level High 8-Cs and 8-Bs, when they overpower other tier 8s, just below them.

Minn-Erva should comparable to the Original Ms. Marvel in power which is stated in the same issue, it's hard to say if she got hurt as she was down enough time for Ms Marvel to go look for the cacoon that Minn-Erva wanted to herself, and more important she felt the need to turn into her monster form which is stated to be above her normal Ms Marvel powers so she clearly saw her as a threat.

That would in turn mean Spider-Man himself is 5-B, since he uses the comparison to downplay her, as if an early Captain Marvel wasn't a treat to him. He is also the one who deals most of the damage to Minn-Erva, while also suggesting Ms. Marvel to escape while he keeps her busy. Ms. Marvel also kinda freezes in place before her. It makes little sense to have Minn-Erva and Kamala at 5-B and Spidey at High 8-C, in the story's context.

She restrained him long enought for another to give an attack. After this attack when Hulk should be weaker he took on attacks from Captain Marvel and Thor and proceded to release more gamma after that there is no way he was weaker than 5-B, for starters this entire arc is "World war Hulk 2" Considering the first one it seems kinda downplay to consider him weaker than Grey Hulk.

Gwen and Miles also blocked him with their webs, but that doesn't mean they have 5-B/Hulk's LS. It happens for just a split second and those who really face Hulk in the issue are the heavy hitters, not them. I believe you can find dozens of instances of lower tier characters knocking away, restraining, hitting etc... stronger characters, but not in a meaningful enough way to warrant full scaling.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Understood, maybe we can link that, idk.
https://www.marvel.com/characters/ms-marvel-kamala-khan/in-comics#:~:text=POWERS-,Bioluminescence,-Morphogenic AbilitiesPolymorph

Sure

I'd say that it still a matter of stamina and durability, because she was still affected, she just endured the blow. The several statements of electricity being her weakness also don't work in her favor, although she is surely tough.

Ok, but just to let clear electricity isn't her weakness, it just makes her power stop working properly.

That's why I don't believe we should make her shift a tier depending on size, we either make her fully a tier or put a dual at least-possibly.

To make clear which is something I said to the other user, the size of her body doesn't necessarily fit the size of her fists, legs, feet ect as you can see in this scan here she increased the size of her feet while keeping her body normal size.

I'm not arguing the feat itself, which is solid, I mean that it may be an isolated case. I'm no expert of Mrs. Marvel, what does she do most of the time? Who does she fight? Because I wouldn't want to include one single outlier if 99% of her adventures and foes are in tier 8.

Look, Ms. Marvel rogue gallery isn't really a thing, her most constant "threat" would be the inventor which she had to defeat like 3 times maybe 4, but he isn't scalabel to her, he mostly just uses technology to attack her and when she actually reached him she basically just picks him up and takes him to the police. Also pointing out something that I had put on the op, she normally holds back, she doesn't hav ethe same amount of statements as Thor but she literally left the Avengers because they wouldn't help fix the destruction they caused during battles.

We already kinda do that with high level High 8-Cs and 8-Bs, when they overpower other tier 8s, just below them.

Arguably the problem is lack of calced feats.

That would in turn mean Spider-Man himself is 5-B, since he uses the comparison to downplay her, as if an early Captain Marvel wasn't a treat to him.

Hardly, Spider-man makes fun of all the characters he fights it's not really downplaying her just making fun of her that's why he even says "and none of her class".

He is also the one who deals most of the damage to Minn-Erva, while also suggesting Ms. Marvel to escape while he keeps her busy. Ms. Marvel also kinda freezes in place before her. It makes little sense to have Minn-Erva and Kamala at 5-B and Spidey at High 8-C, in the story's context.

He doesn't really do damage, he tries to stall her using his webbing which weirdly has feats of restraining tier 5s or pretty much anyone. Also Ms. MArvel doesn't freeze out of fear, she is fangirling over Peter it shows that if you read the comic and Spider-man doesn't really know how strong Kamala is since this was their first encounter thus the fan girling. Also Peter literally admits he his way over his head. The only damage he does was when she throws him at her which shouldn't really count since the whole point of this technique is use the other's strenght to boost the damage.

Gwen and Miles also blocked him with their webs, but that doesn't mean they have 5-B/Hulk's LS. It happens for just a split second and those who really face Hulk in the issue are the heavy hitters, not them. I believe you can find dozens of instances of lower tier characters knocking away, restraining, hitting etc... stronger characters, but not in a meaningful enough way to warrant full scaling.

As I said before Spider people's web are pretty inconsistent, somehow it works on pretty much anyone. Also it's Kamala who is stopping his arms and body Miles and Gwen are going for his feet, and they are using webs to stuck him to the ground not actually stopping him with their own hands. Looking at Hulk it seems he is making an effort and trying to move his arms.