Marvel Comics: Revising Seth and Kobik

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Seth
Currently, Seth is ranked as "[E]ventually Multi-Galaxy level (Each incarnation he takes is more powerful than the last[35], one such incarnation having fought a weakened Odin, with their battle endangering untold galaxies and later shattering them[4])"

My issue with using this feat is that the panels give multiple contradictory descriptions of its scale. Seth first claims that he'll tear out Yggdrasil's roots, which would be a High 1-A feat; if we go with this end, this whole battle would instantly be an outlier for both of them, as neither have feats remotely approaching such a scale. The characters then alternately describe it as a multi-galactic, multiversal, or universal feat while the panels describe it as being fought on "every plane of reality" at once, which would be some level of multiversal. As it stands, I find this feat contradictory in its depiction, so we should remove it unless someone comes up with a reasonable interpretation for its scale.
Kobik
Kobik's reality-warping is listed as 3-A when it should be either High 3-A or Low 2-C. It's currently accepted that universes in Marvel are infinite but only contain finite amounts of matter. Kobik's tantrum was explicitly described as a threat to their entire plane of existence, not merely the generic "universe", meaning it at least scales to 3D infinity. I'll leave which end is more appropriate as a question for you.

 

[Eseseso]

Seth
Currently, Seth is ranked as "[E]ventually Multi-Galaxy level (Each incarnation he takes is more powerful than the last[35], one such incarnation having fought a weakened Odin, with their battle endangering untold galaxies and later shattering them[4])"

My issue with using this feat is that the panels give multiple contradictory descriptions of its scale. Seth first claims that he'll tear out Yggdrasil's roots, which would be a High 1-A feat; if we go with this end, this whole battle would instantly be an outlier for both of them, as neither have feats remotely approaching such a scale. The characters then alternately describe it as a multi-galactic, multiversal, or universal feat while the panels describe it as being fought on "every plane of reality" at once, which would be some level of multiversal. As it stands, I find this feat contradictory in its depiction, so we should remove it unless someone comes up with a reasonable interpretation for its scale.

Actually, the fight is currently used as a High 1-B justification for Odin:

High Hyperverse level (His fight against Seth tore at the fabric of the multiverse itself and sent forth shockwaves that rippled through every plane of reality, with Silver Surfer stating that the forces unleashed by them could "rock our entire continuum,"[116] thus affecting the internal contents of Eternity itself.

So Seth's Avatar should have its 3-B replaced with High 1-B.

Kobik
Kobik's reality-warping is listed as 3-A when it should be either High 3-A or Low 2-C. It's currently accepted that universes in Marvel are infinite but only contain finite amounts of matter. Kobik's tantrum was explicitly described as a threat to their entire plane of existence, not merely the generic "universe", meaning it at least scales to 3D infinity. I'll leave which end is more appropriate as a question for you.

An entire plane of existence?

IMO High 3-A seems slightly better for that feat.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Actually, the fight is currently used as a High 1-B justification for Odin:

High Hyperverse level (His fight against Seth tore at the fabric of the multiverse itself and sent forth shockwaves that rippled through every plane of reality, with Silver Surfer stating that the forces unleashed by them could "rock our entire continuum,"[116] thus affecting the internal contents of Eternity itself.

So Seth's Avatar should have its 3-B replaced with High 1-B.

Interpreting it this way would require all the other hell-lords to be upgraded to High 1-B as well, as they're all comparable to each other. Let's see what the others think about that.

 

[Eseseso]

Interpreting it this way would require all the other hell-lords to be upgraded to High 1-B as well, as they're all comparable to each other. Let's see what the others think about that.

I mean, you should probably ask Ultima since he's going to be revising the Hell Lords.

 

[LordTracer]

I feel like you could’ve just left Seth alone since Ultima’s next revision is for the gods…

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I feel like you could’ve just left Seth alone since Ultima’s next revision is for the gods…

Fine, ditch that part of this CRT, then. Let's just focus on Kobik.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I agree with Kobik

 

[Excellence616]

I agree with Low 2-C Kobik

 

[Antvasima]

I mean, you should probably ask Ultima since he's going to be revising the Hell Lords.

Ultima is currently unfortunately unable to log in to our forum, due to that Google has not accepted the IP address for our new and faster server yet, but somebody can probably ask him to comment via Discord, or maybe @AKM sama is willing to help him log in via a private chat there instead.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @SamanPatou @Maverick_Zero_X

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Kobik upgrade looks good.

 

[Elizhaa]

Kobik's change seems fine.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

This should work.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Grace is over, so I'll apply Kobik's change. This can be closed.

 

[Eseseso]

Actually, the fight is currently used as a High 1-B justification for Odin:

High Hyperverse level (His fight against Seth tore at the fabric of the multiverse itself and sent forth shockwaves that rippled through every plane of reality, with Silver Surfer stating that the forces unleashed by them could "rock our entire continuum,"[116] thus affecting the internal contents of Eternity itself.

So Seth's Avatar should have its 3-B replaced with High 1-B.

I think Seth's new avatar tier should be this.

 

[Antvasima]

That seems reasonable then.

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Bump

Not necessary.

 

[Antvasima]

Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

Close it. There's a new one at https://vsbattles.com/threads/high-...nd-hell-lords-within-their-own-realms.163146/.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so.