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Marvel Comics: Hulk Upgrade And Ability Addition

Where did the 1-A rating for the chain come from? It seems rather vague how strong it is exactly, even if somebody made it from a part of the corpse of the First Firmament.
 
But that still seems unquantifiable to me. We do not know how much of the power of the First Firmament was used. It is a living multiverse, so it exists on many levels of power simultaneously.
 
I agree with Ant here, it based solely on the information in the OP it doesn't seem like these chains have a quantifiable durability.

I don't disagree in principle Hulk can be 1-A given the nature of rage power, however, without a more solid and quantifiable feat I disagree.
 
Hasty12345 said:
I agree with Ant here, it based solely on the information in the OP it doesn't seem like these chains have a quantifiable durability.

I don't disagree in principle Hulk can be 1-A given the nature of rage power, however, without a more solid and quantifiable feat I disagree.
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The chains were said to be unbreakable and made from The First Firmament. Maverick already replied that when Franklin Richards get his upgrade, Hulk would be upgraded too since Hulk scales to Onslaught who had and can channel Franklin's power.

So Hulk would have 2 or 3 (If The World tree thread passes) 1-A justifications.
Antvasima said:
But that still seems unquantifiable to me. We do not know how much of the power of the First Firmament was used. It is a living multiverse, so it exists on many levels of power simultaneously.
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Yeah, we don't know how much of his power was used doesn't change the fact that a fragment can make a person 1-A, how is that unquantifiable?
 
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Excellence616 said:
The chains were said to be unbreakable and made from The First Firmament. Maverick already replied that when Franklin Richards get his upgrade, Hulk would be upgraded too since Hulk scales to Onslaught who had and can channel Franklin's power.

So Hulk would have 2 or 3 (If The World tree thread passes) 1-A justifications.
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2 of the 3 justifications you've brought is contingent on the passing of 2 other threads passing (which they haven't yet as far as I understand) and the justification in the OP is vague and unquantifiable. Being stated to be unbreakable could mean anything (as far as how strong they are, it's generic vague hype statement no. 347509342754832), and if Hulk broke them then the statement isn't even true.

I think this thread should be put on hold until the other threads pass which may give Hulk more of a basis for scaling this high, because right now the OP justification is severely underwhelming for 1-A.
 
Hasty12345 said:
2 of the 3 justifications you've brought is contingent on the passing of 2 other threads passing (which they haven't yet as far as I understand) and the justification in the OP is vague and unquantifiable. Being stated to be unbreakable could mean anything (as far as how strong they are, it's generic vague hype statement no. 347509342754832), and if Hulk broke them then the statement isn't even true.
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Things in fiction stated to be unbreakable and still would be broken.
Hasty12345 said:
I think this thread should be put on hold until the other threads pass which may give Hulk more of a basis for scaling this high, because right now the OP justification is severely underwhelming for 1-A.
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It isn't, at least to me.
 
Also would like to use this space to call out that recently was studying Hulk's profile and several of Bruce Banner's media were taken down by imgur, plz revamp this key
 
noninho said:
Also would like to use this space to call out that recently was studying Hulk's profile and several of Bruce Banner's media were taken down by imgur, plz revamp this key
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Excellence616 said:
Yeah, his images are broken. I will work on them
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Thank you for helping out. I will unlock Hulk's page for you to make corrections. Tell me here when you are done please. 🙏

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I agree, but I think it would be better to wait on the other CRTs passing before figuring this out, since they would give Hulk other 1-A arguments
 
Antvasima said:
But that still seems unquantifiable to me. We do not know how much of the power of the First Firmament was used. It is a living multiverse, so it exists on many levels of power simultaneously.
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That's essentially why for Hulk's lifting strength it's being upgraded from Infinite to Immeasurable, there's no current quantifiable human framework (at least for what we know right now) to measure something the size of (or at least a percentile of) the First firmament.
 
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Again, we do not know if these are tiny parts of the chains that the First Firmament used against multiversal Eternity, or if they are made from its substance, but the First Firmament was a living multiverse, so, for example, making the chains from metal within the planets within him does not seem very impressive. So that is why I think that the feat is unquantifiable.

Maybe somebody can use it to warrant a "possibly higher (the Hulk broke chains made from a small part of the First Firmament) " rating though, but anything specific seems unwarranted.
 
Antvasima said:
Again, we do not know if these are tiny parts of the chains that the First Firmament used against multiversal Eternity, or if they are made from its substance,
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My answer to this is already in the OP. "Made from" which includes an aspect of the First Firmament.
Antvasima said:
but the First Firmament was a living multiverse, so, for example, making the chains from metal within the planets within him does not seem very impressive. So that is why I think that the feat is unquantifiable.
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The chains wasn't made from the planet within him. It was made from him. and current Eternity is the current universe not the F
Antvasima said:
Maybe somebody can use it to warrant a "possibly higher (the Hulk broke chains made from a small part of the First Firmament) " rating though, but anything specific seems unwarranted.
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I would just wait for the other 1-A threads before using this one
 
Antvasima said:
Again, we do not know if these are tiny parts of the chains that the First Firmament used against multiversal Eternity, or if they are made from its substance,
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My answer to this is already in the OP. "Made from" which includes an aspect of the First Firmament.
Antvasima said:
but the First Firmament was a living multiverse, so, for example, making the chains from metal within the planets within him does not seem very impressive. So that is why I think that the feat is unquantifiable.
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The chains wasn't made from the planet within him. It was made from him. and Current, Eternity is the Universe not the First Firmament.
Antvasima said:
Maybe somebody can use it to warrant a "possibly higher (the Hulk broke chains made from a small part of the First Firmament) " rating though, but anything specific seems unwarranted.
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I would just wait for the other 1-A threads before using this one
 
Excellence616 said:
My answer to this is already in the OP. "Made from" which includes an aspect of the First Firmament.

The chains wasn't made from the planet within him. It was made from him. and current Eternity is the current universe not the F
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The First Firmament is mostly a living void, as that is the nature of a multiverse, and that is still the case after his mental death, as we saw when Mephisto attempted to crash FF's corpse into the current Marvel multiverse and Robbie Reyes was trapped within it. As such, I still do not see how we can quantify taking an unknown unfathomably tiny part of his substance and making chains from it.
Excellence616 said:
I would just wait for the other 1-A threads before using this one
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If there are other more specific feats to use instead that might work. 🙏
 
Which staff members accepted or rejected what here? 🙏
 
PrinceofPein said:
I saw it and I just decided not to reply to it, cause in that sense, any gamma powered weapon or even any gamma ray is High 1-A.
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Logically sound reasoning, yeah. I didn't take into account how much Hulk's gamma radiation would be a byproduct affecting every gamma weapon/ray in terms of scaling on the wiki
Also to be fair and earnestly unbiased (because as much of a Hulk-glazer that I am and would love to see those verdant green ass cheeks emblazon his name into the stars of the other 1-A(s) with his unparalleled might taking pride and place amongst the pantheon of the physically strongest characters across all of fiction) the green door is shut meaning the Hulk is relying solely on his own physical strength. Although this SHOULD still stand as an immeasurable lifting feat because it fits the criteria of being counted as Immeasurable with The First Firmament being qualitatively bigger than any 3-D structure by embodying the initial singularity of existence....beyond physical dimensions.
 
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From my understanding of the distinctions between 1-A and High 1-A, no matter how much their power is reduced, it would still represent a qualitative superiority over all lower levels of existence. Even the smallest fragment of matter or power from a qualitatively superior layer of reality would inherently surpass anything within lower-reality frameworks. While my knowledge is somewhat limited regarding Marvel, my understanding is that the Firmaments encompass the totality of existence at a given iteration.

It would seem inconsistent for them to be name-dropped only to refer to a subset of existence within their respective framework.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
From my understanding of the distinctions between 1-A and High 1-A, no matter how much their power is reduced, it would still represent a qualitative superiority over all lower levels of existence. Even the smallest fragment of matter or power from a qualitatively superior layer of reality would inherently surpass anything within lower-reality frameworks. While my knowledge is somewhat limited regarding Marvel, my understanding is that the Firmaments encompass the totality of existence at a given iteration.

It would seem inconsistent for them to be name-dropped only to refer to a subset of existence within their respective framework.
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Okay. Never mind them I suppose. 🙏
 
Dreamer23421 said:
(kinda off topic) should fractured son have another image since it's totally different persona like devil hulk ?
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He isn't another persona. I taught he was because of how he acts (Intelligent, Tsundere,) but i remembered Childlike Hulk behaving like that multiple times (Sometimes acting very very smart without Banner's influence for his so called Child persona). Especially since the story took place after Donny cates run and that Donnie's Child-like Hulk is just Banner harnessing Hulk's rage.

Fractured Son Hulk is Child-Like Hulk that is very very smart but mad at what Banner did to him in Donnie's run.
 
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