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I applied the changes but Ant partially disagreed with OP, so ActuallySpaceMan gave a quick explanation. Ant tag those staffs who agreed to check again.
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Marvel Comics: Hulk Upgrade And Ability Addition
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@Excellence616 Would it make sense to add a new key and call it 'Fractured Son' since PKJ confirmed its a different persona?
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Unknown for now
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Not to doubt but, tweeting him would be better as everyone can see it.@Excellence616 Would it make sense to add a new key and call it 'Fractured Son' since PKJ confirmed its a different persona?
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It isn't mine, its someone else's. I just found this scan. I would doubt it too, but I choose to not to have the cesspool that is Twitter.
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Last time I used this feat someone said that Nightmare was weakened of which was never stated, though, i may be wrong. He didn't really fight Nightmare but destroyed his realm and causing nightmare and dreams to cease. This scan proves that he was in an actual dimension.
No problem
. But i have asked him on twitter about the fractured son. I am waiting for his reply.
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Great. I was rewatching some of his interviews and searching about this, but he didn't say anything definitive outside of the scans that I already gave. He just made it clear that it wasn't something that already existed, and a new persona.Last time I used this feat someone said that Nightmare was weakened of which was never stated, though, i may be wrong. He didn't really fight Nightmare but destroyed his realm and causing nightmare and dreams to cease. This scan proves that he was in an actual dimension.
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Could you send me the link of the interview?
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I mean, he doesn't say it explicitly, but he does heavily imply it in almost all his interviews, saying that this is something different from Immortal, and I believe there is a tweet of him saying that while the new Hulk's personality is the most similar to Green Scar, which implies that it isn't normal Hulk, nor completely Green Scar. I think the best bet is just waiting for his reply or more issues.
I'm pretty sure I misheard Metallo in the interview when I said he made it clear, since PKJ is writing both. My bad.
The message that I sent before should still be confirmation too, if you can get your tweet as well.
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Yeah, the light of the Eye of Agamotto reawakened Banner who transformed in Hulk and then Nightmare could do nothing to stop him and was shivering in fear. The only thing that Strange was to free Hulk from Nightmare's influence
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Idn if this would be good support for 1-A, but TOBA possessed Bruce is heavily implied to be The Hulk's own power, with multiple examples of TOBA possession only being possession. Even having confirmation by Ewing himself that the TOBA was after Hulk's "highly adaptive form", which we know is just Bruce Banner not holding back his personas. Remember TOBA had control of absorbing mans body but didn't carry out his master plan because he specifically wanted Hulk which is enough evidence to me that Hulk's own power was used to kill Galactus, Franklin Richards, and "everyone else".
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I also want to say that if Fractured Son is confirmed to be a different persona, we could have the additional proof that he has been stated to be in some way, related to The One Below All. As well as this, Man-Thing stated that the Nexus of All Realities would fall without him.
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Even without him being a different persona
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Yeah.
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The first scan reaffirms Hulk's connection to TOBA/TOAA. The second scan says the same. Hulk and other gamma powered individuals already have connection to TOAA/TOBA as shown in multiple times especially in Immortal Hulk run.. Hulk/Banner connection is just much more stronger.
For the Man-Thing statement, it can be used as support.
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This is good. This makes sense as those possessed by TOBA didn't get any amp. The only time those he possess were am was when he possessed Sterns and he was in the below place.
But I would tackle this in a different thread.
I would need to reread immortal Hulk again.
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I do want to eventually do a thread adding all the new abilities and feats gained from Immortal Hulk and Donny Cates run of him as there are quite a few notable abilities and scaling Hulk could gain from them.
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For now, he shouldn't have till we get more obvious confirmation.What are the conclusions here, and should the recent Hulk get a separate statistics key, rather than be lumped together with the childlike Hulk?
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Childlike Hulk have gone through that process sometimes, questioning if it is another personalityHmm. He seems to have a different personality, and higher intelligence and enormously higher power level, which should be sufficient to qualify.
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No always the case. He has shown signs of intelligence without Banner's influence. Are you gonna ignore the Incredible Hulk (Vol. 3)?
Base, yesand he is nowhere near as powerful as certain other incarnations. They are clearly not the same.
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Marvel fandom separated from childlike and fractured son idk if that's helps or not
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Bruce Banner (Earth-616)
“The angrier I get, the stronger I get! I'm the strongest one there is! Hulk Smash!” Dr. Robert Bruce Banner, Ph.D.[4] a.k.a. the Hulk, is an American theoretical physicist famous for his work in the fields of nuclear physics and gamma radiation.[63] He was recruited by General Thaddeus E...
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Though it will probably be inconclusive (again)
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Also I asked someone else about this, they said it was 1-A in normal Marvel (apart from DeMatteis' writings).
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Also, I was reading through the letters for any direct statement that he was a new alter, and all I could find was him saying that he would discuss alters later on in the comic.
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It....depends this is a Hulk storyline it wouldn't hurt to be optimistic and have a viable pathway to let the Hulk win against Thor in a contest of strength.
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We can always hope I guess, but from the little excerpt we've gotten:
It's probably going to be them saying some words to each other, sharing some blows, and then teaming up for the greater good or something corny like that. If Banner of War literally ended with a stalemate, I wouldn't expect much from a one-issue crossover.
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Yeaah you're right there, with Thor knowing something about Charlie is going to be the standard very one-off fight for the most part. Why isn't that with comics writers write in a winner for one part instead of having a stale stalemate?
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Given how Marvel Comics as a whole has been treating Thor in recent years, I would be very surprised if they don't let Hulk savagely beat Odinforce Thor, even though it does not really make sense given their comparative scales of feats.
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Anyway, the Marvel Comics wiki lists the "Fractured Son" as a separate personality and power level compared to the childlike Hulk, which I also think is blatantly obvious, so we should follow suit and separate the two in terms of statistics keys.
Is somebody here willing to handle it please?
Is somebody here willing to handle it please?
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Why not?
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