Marvel Comics - Blue Marvel Downgrade

[Alancaliber]

i dont know if this was a troll but someone put blue marvel to island level, he should be at least planet level if not star level def not island when he has redirect a meteor the size of Arkansas and was stated to be able to split the moon with a punch and has punched the sentry to the moon

 

[KingTempest]

you didn't say a single planet level thing here

 

[LordTracer]

Also you didn’t post a single scan or reference.

 

[Alancaliber]

I was just pointing it out, I know the comics but im not sure how to post scans

 

[Alancaliber]

This is a scan of blue marvel fight the sentry and the sentry say he’s pushing him to the limit

 

[Alancaliber]

Is that ok if so I have alot more @KingTempest

 

[LordTracer]

This is a scan of blue marvel fight the sentry and the sentry say he’s pushing him to the limit

You need to list the comic that the scan is from as well.

 

[Alancaliber]

This is a scan of blue marvel fight the sentry and the sentry say he’s pushing him to the limit
Adam: The Legend of Blue Marvel miniseries- comic issue #5

 

[Alancaliber]

This is also a scan from blue marvel beating king Hyperion who was able to kill most of the heroes in his universe including galactus
Age of Heroes #3
Watcher says blue marvel could of split the moon
While on the moon threw his Congressional Medal of Honour so hard at the surface, the Watcher living there said he could have split the moon! (Adam Legend of Blue Marvel #3)

 

[Alancaliber]

The sentry after blue marvel punched him into space , this was even after he said the “million stars” statement same fight almost immediately after
Adam Legend of Blue Marvel #5
also he literally defeated anti man (who was stated by the sentry to be stronger than anyone he had ever seen)
@KingTempest @LordTracer need more??

 

[Alancaliber]

Just for last blue marvel move w meteor the size of Arkansas moving at high speeds in space
Adam Legend of Blue Marvel #1
He still island level?

 

[KingTempest]

#1, just edit the last message instead of sending multiple messages.

#2, Anyways, what do you want implemented?

 

[Alancaliber]

#1, just edit the last message instead of sending multiple messages.

#2, Anyways, what do you want implemented?

i just wanted to prove he wasn't island level it seems a lot of the characters have been pushed to island level I think he should at least be large planet level or maybe even star possible solar system considering he beat/rivals the sentry who was stated to fight Galactus (galaxy tier) to a standstill,
we also have the million exploding stars statement but I'm not sure how the site feels about that

 

[KingTempest]

You know Sentry on our wiki has a varies tier correct?
And that same varies ranges from Large Island level to Galaxy level. So even if you want to scale him there, you need proof that his scaling is consistent enough to work for a higher tier

 

[Alancaliber]

You know Sentry on our wiki has a varies tier correct?
And that same varies ranges from Large Island level to Galaxy level. So even if you want to scale him there, you need proof that his scaling is consistent enough to work for a higher tier

didnt i just do that he consistently fights people on this level of power and has a lot fo feats for it too, is there something else I need to do?
i mean this sentry literally said "he was fighting someone with power of a million exploding suns" then proceeded to get punched into orbit and almost KOed,
I think this means he was using his stronger self

also not all my feats are related to sentry

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Whether the Sentry feat gets upgraded or not, could the Watcher stating that he could split the moon in two warrant 5-C?

 

[Antvasima]

Whether the Sentry feat gets upgraded or not, could the Watcher stating that he could split the moon in two warrant 5-C?

I think so at least, but the feat would need to be calculated first, and the main staff members who usually handle these sort of revisions are Confluctor and The_Impress, and the former seems to have lost interest and the latter is likely upset at the moment.

@Dark-Carioca @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Mr._Bambu

Would any of you be willing to calculate splitting the Earth's moon with a punch?

 

[Confluctor]

Why did I come across this sigh I didn't want to get involved smh

mean this sentry literally said "he was fighting someone with power of a million exploding suns" then proceeded to get punched into orbit and almost KOed,

First thing first, if you know 5 things about sentry, it's that he is weak against anti matter. That's literally his krytopnite as the writer also later commented. Hell, we had an entire mini arc in Sentry Vol 2 that WENT into details on why he cannot even operate properly in the presence of anti matter. You could argue this was perhaps the weakest Sentry alongside the one we saw in New Avengers.

And for the record, punching Sentry at his weakest, a dude who can literally be tier 10 if his mind is ****** with enough isn't as impressive as you think.

And also everyone always says he was KOed, he actually wasn't. He was thrown to space, he came back and stalemated him despite almost all of the world being covered in anti matter.

Hell, in the same arc, just moments before, Blue Marvel was decently stalemating and/or being beaten by high 6cs. Ares made him bleed. So did Carol. A high 6c carol too.

As for the million exploding suns things, it's absolutely meaningless. Let.me walk you through a usual intro comic and how messy certain scaling can be;

1. You introduce a new OP character
2. No feats, but everyone hypes him up as he is the most op thing ever, throwing literally every relevant statement at them.
3. Then viola, another OP character comes in and defeats him.
4. Their story continues and they get more feats.
5. And then you realise, huh, the statements don't hold up actually.

Oh, and btw, the Sentry also said Anti Man is the most powerful guy he has ever met. Which couldn't be more wrong since he has met people who are straight up tier 2 and 1, and low 1-a level people I mean. So, that statement is also stupid and holds absolutely no value as the feats performed by both anti man and blue marvel are absolutely shit in comparison to their statements.


So, sentry throwing away that ooc dialogue doesn't mean he was going all out. In fact, he can't go out for two reasons;

1. Anti matter
2. Void. That guy never lets loose, aside from two ooc moments/dialogues from Blue Marvel mini and World Ward Hulk. He will do anything to not unleash any sort of power and keep the Void in check and surpress him. So, no he can't be going all out in here. It's virtually impossible unless you want to ooc the shit out of him. which is just wrong. And if we go down OOC rule, that just causes even more issues for scaling and other stuff.

I think this means he was using his stronger self

In short, no he wasn't. Far from it.

 

[Antvasima]

I obviously agree that Blue Marvel should not scale to The Sentry, but it does seem reasonably consistent to place him, Anti-Man, Gilgamesh, and Hyperion around tier 5-C or 5-B at least.

 

[Confluctor]

I doubt splitting the moon would be anything tier 5B and basing a whole new scaling from a statement seems... Odd. Tho scaling from Gilgamesh's LS works. However, a lot of upgrades needs to be made.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, and we need a new calculation for splitting the Earth's moon. Amelia made one in 2016, but she was likely considerably less skilled back then, so I am not sure if it is reliable or not.

Powerpuff Girls Z: Moon Chasers

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, it depends on who made the moon-splitting statement. I think that it was The Watcher, which seems reliable, but I may misremember.

 

[Confluctor]

Someone probably needs to evaluate this.

Also, moon busting is extremely varied. So idk how that would work

 

[Confluctor]

Anyway, it depends on who made the moon-splitting statement. I think that it was The Watcher, which seems reliable, but I may misremember.

Yes, the Watcher.

It comes from Original Sin tie in of the mighty avengers iirc. He throws the medal he had received and Watcher says "you could have split the moon with that".

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, then it can probably be used. The Watcher is extremely knowledgeable and tends to act as a matter-of-fact honest narrator.

 

[Confluctor]

While yes, my issue is essentially with... How exactly do you even quantify a statement like that? "You could have split the moon with that". But didn't. So how does that work via calcs?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we can use a rough calculation for a generic moon-splitting with a single strike. It is still much more reliable to give Blue Marvel a 5-C rating (for example) than a High 6-C.

 

[Confluctor]

I am not really against that.

Tho also would we really consider a medal toss the same as single strike?

 

[Antvasima]

I think so, yes. He did not toss it several times.

 

[Confluctor]

Ah found it on a non RCO site.

But yeah, if some calc members can look at this and see if it's usable that would be ideal

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, it would.

The medal toss itself is obviously not anywhere near 5-C, but The Watcher seemed to think that Blue Marvel was powerful enough to do so if he actually tried.

 

[Antvasima]

@Damage3245 @Armorchompy @DemonGodMitchAubin @Migue79

Would any of you be willing to calculate a standard feat for splitting Earth's moon in half with a punch please?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Dark-Carioca @Armorchompy @Amelia_Lonelyheart

Would any of you be willing to calculate a standard feat for splitting Earth's moon in half with a punch please? We need it for scaling Marvel Comics characters that are stronger than High 6-C, but weaker than 3-C.

 

[Armorchompy]

Didn't we have a feat for splitting the Earth? Working off of that it might be easier.

 

[Antvasima]

Maybe, but you would need to adjust it to work on the size and material of our moon instead.

 

[Armorchompy]

... yeah but it'd be a good base

 

[Antvasima]

Well, you can use a similar method if you wish.

 

[Armorchompy]

Yeah that was the idea, looking at it though it doesn't explain the process too thoroughly so I dunno how some of the stuff would adapt. Who made the original calculation?

 

[Antvasima]

I am afraid that I do not remember who made the Earth-splitting calculation. You were the one who mentioned it.