Martian Manhunter Post Crisis CRT Part 1

[XXKINGXX69]

Some of this stuff is already on the profile, just thought scans would be good
If I don't mention the source, its because its already on the imgur link

Resistances:

Sound Manipulation (Survived a sonic blast from Sonar, which was strong enough to knock people unconscious.)

Abilities:

Longevity (Self explanatory)

Heat Manipulation, why doesn't he have this already? We link it to energy projection instead for some reason
(Heat vision caused Black Adam to yell in pain - World War III #4, who can no sell Power Girl's heat vision which melted gold)

Memory Manipulation (Erased some of the JLA's memories, including wally's and superman)

Enhanced Senses / Extrasensory Perception: J'onn can see the mental aura of others

Empathic Manipulation: Caused a man to laugh - World War 3 #3 Calmed a giant alien down by stimulating its pleasure centers and Altered the Red King's emotions after he was vulnerable due to absorbing emotions

Durability Negation: Phased his hand through White Martians to kill them. J'onn was willing to become unsolid and rematerialize inside Z's brain to destroy him

Invisibility: J'onn can become invisible through phasing, and used it to sneak attack The Weird

Sleep Manipulation: Kept Vishnu asleep to prevent him from ending all of Creation. Put Diane to sleep with a mental nudge

Soul Manipulation: Used telepathy to remove Harley's soul from Diane's body

Intelligence justification : Batman stated that J'onn was the master tactician of the JLA

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Also, Wonder Woman gets another scan of resistance to poison based off of that, and resistance to sound manipulation along with space and time manipulation

Black Adam gets heat resistance

 

[Confluctor]

Sound Manipulation (Silver Swan has a sonic cry that can level cities but Martian Manhunter survived it)

That's not how resistance to sound works. Although the last scan can be used.

Longevity (Self explanatory)

Elaborate. Also wasn't it stated somewhere that he is immortal or somesuch?

Heat Manipulation, why doesn't he have this already? We link it to energy projection instead for some reason

I believe most of the time its treated as energy hax rather than heat hax. Tho the black adam scan does show heat. So eh

Limited possible Pocket Reality Creation (The Mayavana is an ability which creates a reality inside the mind of an enemy that is more powerful than that which one takes to be reality. However, it puts an extreme strain on his soul and can only be used once in a lifetime)

Mind hax

Enhanced Senses / Extrasensory Perception: J'onn can see the mental aura of others

Esp can work

Social Influencing: Forced Lex Luthor to give him information on his plans, though the Justice League helped him

Ngl, seems dubious

: Kept Vishnu asleep to prevent him from ending all of Creation.

Can you show previous or later scans to show its him doing it?

with a mental nudge

just mind hax

Soul Manipulation: Used telepathy to remove Harley's soul from Diane's body

can I see some later scans of this?

Extraordinary Genius justification : Batman stated that J'onn was the master tactician of the JLA

Absolutely not. That would be Gifted at best.


Anything I haven't commented on seems fine

 

[Confluctor]

Just saw this

Also, Wonder Woman gets another scan of resistance to poison based off of that, and resistance to sound manipulation along with space and time manipulation

Can you elaborate further about the time and space hax?

Black Adam gets heat resistance

For which one? Karen's? Sure.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

That's not how resistance to sound works. Although the last scan can be used.


Elaborate. Also wasn't it stated somewhere that he is immortal or somesuch?


I believe most of the time its treated as energy hax rather than heat hax. Tho the black adam scan does show heat. So eh


Mind hax


Esp can work


Ngl, seems dubious


Can you show previous or later scans to show its him doing it?


just mind hax


can I see some later scans of this?


Absolutely not. That would be Gifted at best.


Anything I haven't commented on seems fine

His own profile mentions him as being thousands of years old. Its also common knowledge, like Wonder Woman coming from Themyscira

Why does social influencing look dubious?

That's the only scan I have of keeping Vishnu asleep

Using mindhax to put someone to sleep is still sleep manipulation

I believe most of the time its treated as energy hax rather than heat hax.

False

Absolutely not. That would be Gifted at best.

Do you think being the goddamn master tactician of a man of a team that includes ******* Batman of all people is just gifted? If you do I'm appearing in your dreams tonight

Just saw this


Can you elaborate further about the time and space hax?


For which one? Karen's? Sure.

She tanked spatial and time warping

 

[Confluctor]

His own profile mentions him as being thousands of years old. Its also common knowledge, like Wonder Woman coming from Themyscira

sure works. i will see if i can find the immortality one

Why does social influencing look dubious?

That doesn't seem like SI at all. He is just threatening him if anything.

Using mindhax to put someone to sleep is still sleep manipulation

Meh both can work, but seems more of a minxhax thing.

False

sigh, I said most. Did I misspell it somewherE?

Do you think being the goddamn master tactician of a man of a team that includes ******* Batman of all people is just gifted? If you do I'm appearing in your dreams tonight

mate, it's nothing special. Do you know what qualifies for genius? let alone extraordinary genius?

She tanked spatial and time warping

I saw the scan, elaborate on how she is tanking and how the other person warps shit.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

sure works. i will see if i can find the immortality one


That doesn't seem like SI at all. He is just threatening him if anything.


Meh both can work, but seems more of a minxhax thing.

sigh, I said most. Did I misspell it somewherE?



mate, it's nothing special. Do you know what qualifies for genius? let alone extraordinary genius?


I saw the scan, elaborate on how she is tanking and how the other person warps shit.

Social Influencing includes being good at convincing others to do things. Its very easy to force someone to give you information, but this is Lex Luthor we're talking about

Tell me what qualifies for extraordinary genius then

It says his attacks allow him to bend time and space when he was attacking Diana, and Diana took no damage from it. You didn't read the scan

 

[Hasty12345]

Batman is an extraordinary genius because he can throw punches in at least 127 different ways and knows languages. Not because he's a tactician, so idk how that would scale.

 

[Confluctor]

Social Influencing includes being good at convincing others to do things. Its very easy to force someone to give you information, but this is Lex Luthor we're talking about

Yeah that's not what's happening here?

Tell me what qualifies for extraordinary genius then

Like this;

Individuals whose knowledge spreads over many fields of science and who vastly surpass the intellects of the smartest humans on Earth. At this level, many are capable of creating futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, and potentially even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations, or outperforming supercomputers. This is where super scientists of exceptional scientific knowledge begin to appear.

In addition, Martian Manhunter doesn't have anything near genius level. We can't throw around intelligence ratings just because he is a master tactician. for genius level, you need some actual feats of intelligence, not this.

Also the complex strategies bit is just supporting evidence. And it needs to have feats on how it works if used by itself.


Also from Batman's file, extremely different;

Extraordinary Genius. The officially second most intelligent person on the planet after Lex Luthor. Proven to know at least 127 different martial arts styles, and has merged them together in order to create new styles. He is also considered one of the greatest martial artists in existence and claims that he has read every book in the world in order to prepare for any eventuality.

It says his attacks allow him to bend time and space when he was attacking Diana, and Diana took no damage from it. You didn't read the scan

I did but it doesn't prove anything. You have to prove his attacks actually hit diana - which is kinda confusing cause bad art. plus I need to know the applications of his power. Statements like that are worthless on its own.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Yeah that's not what's happening here?


Like this;

In addition, Martian Manhunter doesn't have anything near genius level. We can't throw around intelligence ratings just because he is a master tactician. for genius level, you need some actual feats of intelligence, not this.

Also the complex strategies bit is just supporting evidence. And it needs to have feats on how it works if used by itself.


Also from Batman's file, extremely different;



I did but it doesn't prove anything. You have to prove his attacks actually hit diana - which is kinda confusing cause bad art. plus I need to know the applications of his power. Statements like that are worthless on its own.

You can clearly see that Diana blocks it. I don't know his feats, but the statement alone is good enough

 

[Confluctor]

Mate, it doesn't look like time and space manip in the slightest because of that scan.... I am asking, can you provide some applications on how his powers works? When he uses that abilities? And some more context around it.


We get statements like that often in comics, we can't all take it face value.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Mate, it doesn't look like time and space manip in the slightest because of that scan.... I am asking, can you provide some applications on how his powers works? When he uses that abilities? And some more context around it.


We get statements like that often in comics, we can't all take it face value.

We get statements like that often in comics

Can you show me?

How can you tell its not time and space manipulation? I don't read much about the character so I don't know, but I don't see why it wouldn't be time and space manipulation

 

[Confluctor]

Looks like I am going in circles...

If you don't know the character and how he operates, then idk why you would even bother with this? As for statements like that, we often see characters with their main abilities posted underneath their names, but it doesn't mean they are using those abilities at that moment. That's just an introduction of theirs. Now with the sound one, we actually see it. But not for the time and space one. So to make it easier for both of us, do some research on the guy to back up your points and why she should have resistance to that. Cause the scans you posted don't show anything like that.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Looks like I am going in circles...

If you don't know the character and how he operates, then idk why you would even bother with this? As for statements like that, we often see characters with their main abilities posted underneath their names, but it doesn't mean they are using those abilities at that moment. That's just an introduction of theirs. Now with the sound one, we actually see it. But not for the time and space one. So to make it easier for both of us, do some research on the guy to back up your points and why she should have resistance to that. Cause the scans you posted don't show anything like that.

Why do you think they mentioned his time and space manipulation? In that comic, you can see that the abilities and hax they were talking about are the ones they used on Wonder Woman

And the "angler" they're talking about is his only weapon, the one he's using in that scan against Diana

 

[Confluctor]

Again... Please send scans about how the guy works and the application of his power. I am not repeating myself for one more time.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Again... Please send scans about how the guy works and the application of his power. I am not repeating myself for one more time.

It says "his angler allows him to bend time and space"

His "angler" is obviously the weapon he's using, what else would it be?

 

[Confluctor]

Show some prior feats before this.

Also it doesn't even hit her to begin with

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Show some prior feats before this.

Also it doesn't even hit her to begin with

Ok first prove it doesn't hit her

 

[Confluctor]

..........


Now you are just joking around

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Pardon me if I'm wrong... Doesn't J'ohn have most of these on his profile already? He's got soulhax, sleephax, invisibility, heat vision and extraordinary genius.

 

[Confluctor]

Can't remember tbh.

Tho extraordinary genius definitely needs to be yeeted away.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Again... Please send scans about how the guy works and the application of his power. I am not repeating myself for one more time.

iirc the dude simply has spatial manipulation. He can change directions of things, teleport stuff around, bend gravity, etc etc

 

[Confluctor]

Thanks.


So yeah, nothing space time hax here then.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I'm baffled by the fact that half of the suggested abilities here are literally already there.
Please check the profile you're updating lol

 

[Confluctor]

Then adding scans should be good. Or do they already have scans?

I usually avoid looking at certain files cause bad

 

[Catzlaflame]

I usually avoid looking at certain files cause bad

it always hurts inside

 

[Confluctor]

And outside

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I'm baffled by the fact that half of the suggested abilities here are literally already there.
Please check the profile you're updating lol

I already mentioned that I am simply giving further justifications

Also confluctor didn't explain what extraordinary genius is yet, I think he's still thinking

 

[XXKINGXX69]

So RN only contested one is social influencing for J'onn

 

[Teezar]

I agree with of what the OP proposed

 

[Teezar]

Extraordinary Genius (Vast knowledge of earth and alien races throughout the universe, decades of combat experience against all types of foes, accomplished detective, has read and processed the knowledge of every mind on earth multiple times.)

The reason for it.

Can't remember tbh.

Tho extraordinary genius definitely needs to be yeeted away.

 

[Teezar]

She tanked spatial and time warping

Wonder Woman actually has alot of resistance in this scan and also survives an attack from angle man who's angler allows him to bend space and time which is balantly stated.

 

[Confluctor]

Also confluctor didn't explain what extraordinary genius is yet, I think he's still thinking

Mate look up

Extraordinary Genius (Vast knowledge of earth and alien races throughout the universe, decades of combat experience against all types of foes, accomplished detective, has read and processed the knowledge of every mind on earth multiple times.)

The reason for it.

Genius at best...


Also make a new thread for wonder woman. That's not spatial hax resistance or anything like that.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Wonder Woman actually has alot of resistance in this scan and also survives an attack from angle man who's angler allows him to bend space and time which is balantly stated.

Yeah

So everything except for social influencing is accepted for MMH, can you tag some staff?

Mate look up


Genius at best...


Also make a new thread for wonder woman. That's not spatial hax resistance or anything like that.

 

[Confluctor]

update your post with the changes I proposed first.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

update your post with the changes I proposed first.

Ok done

 

[Confluctor]

the sound ones still the same.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

the sound ones still the same.

The first one might not count as resistance but is supporting evidence

 

[Confluctor]

except it is not. he didn't tank it

 

[XXKINGXX69]

except it is not. he didn't tank it

Ok is tanking sound enough to destroy a wall considered resistance to sound manipulation?