Was it stated he knew 20-40 martial arts? How did you arrive at that figure. The rest is impressive considering age but defeating professional martial artists is an extremely easy feat for IP Man since he is so far above not just professionals but a hierarchy of Martial Arts Grand Masters skill wise.
Ayanokouji did it under the age of 9. Also, Ayanokouji beat the instructors in their own games, which was martial arts. Each instructor scales to the professional level with
I didn't arrive at the 20-40 martial arts figure without proof.
Ayanokouji legit learnt a martial arts in 3 months, at the point when he was getting no-diffed in it, in just 3 months, and quickly grew so strong that instructors and Shiro couldn't even reach his level.
Ip Man doesn't have any feat which he did when he was too young, and let me tell you, the age in which Ayanokouji did it, it takes people 10s of years just to reach what he did in 3 months, it's heavy adaptability and BIQ. If we were talking with feats, I can decently get Manabu above Ip Man in BIQ and adaptability. Ayanokouji has higher Bodily Kinesthetic.
Well that depends on how fast he can because IP takes out his opponents very quickly.
I don't think so. Ip Man doesn't even have 10% of intuition in information analysis of what Ayanokouji possesses.
Does Ip Man regularly perform evaluations on each of his opponents?
Does Ip Man form battle strategies without even fighting with the people?
Does Ip Man know almost everything about anatomy to enhance his "pressure points"?
Has Ip Man practiced so many martial arts that he can just replicate an already seen technique by just absorbing information and connecting it with everything he has learnt?
Can Ip Man calculate and guess a person's location on a map just by knowing their running speed and guessing their intentions?
Because Ayanokouji does. All Ip Man has is experience, and experience doesn't matter in an Ayanokouji fight, this dude scales to an Extraordinary Genius rating, which is at least a 3 to 4 times higher mental age than their current age, although I would say that it the 3-4x is literally a lowball and Ayanokouji should decently scale way above this.
Speed has to have played a part here cuz isn’t he far above a lot of people stat wise? The good thing about martial arts series, the fighters are relative or downscale from the MC. Which makes their skill feats more impressive.
No, Ayanokouji necessarily doesn't show his speed much often. The only times when he does is when he is in a very tight situations. Tsubaki legit thought that Riku could easily defeat Ayanokouji because Ayanokouji literally revealed his skill set just to Ryuuen's level. Ayanokouji scales too high in his own verse but he doesn't expend more effort than he needs to. Now, this is a huge metacognition feat. Not only does he know his own abilities but he also knows where his opponents scale to. Fighting someone similar in skill and speed? Ayanokouji fought Shiro at the age of 9, and let me tell you, Shiro possesses way higher BIQ and adaptability than Ip Man, because Shiro has the similar feats as Ayanokouji up to age 9.
Honestly the only thing impressive here is age, and that’s pretty much it. Ip man’s back story isn’t well known or I can’t remember so idk if he had a similar feat, however he has better skill chain than what you’ve put up here tho.
I am not even talking about how the age is impressive, I am talking about BIQ. BIQ is directly proportional to one's FRI and Bodily Kinesthetic, both in which Ayanokouji scales way higher than Ip Man. Not only that, but unless Ip Man has a really broken move (which he doesn't) which isn't nearly related to martial arts (which it isn't) or biologically impossible (...isn't), Ayanokouji will just mimic his move by absorbing the visual information.
I don’t even know where to start but let’s start with the best karate students who could take down master martial artists. When the Japanese invaded China, the only way for the people to survive is to win in a fight against their highly trained students. These exceptional karate students often beat the master martial artists to death. One day a grand master appeared and fought one of these students and won. He got food but he got greedy and asked to fight 3 students at once. He lost BADLY. So the number of students matter a lot skill wise. This grand master was IP man’s friend. So IP man accepted the challenge but not for food, instead to avenge his friend. He went up to the Japanese general and demanded he faced 10 of his students at once. IP Man beat them all very very easily. That’s to show how far above IP Man is in skill. Later he went on to face the general himself and it was more difficult than the students so we know the General is far above the students but IP Man defeated him still.
Beating several people at once isn't a skill feat, it's a stamina feat, unless the 10 people whom you fight have pulled up an insane strategy, and in this case, I would personally say that despite fighting only 2 people, Tsukishiro and Shiba, Ayanokouji's this feat scales way above just beating 10 people. And why so?
- Both Tsukishiro and Shiba scale way lower than Ayanokouji, they were still able to dominate over him.
- Both Tsukishiro and Shiba had done an insane preparation to just resist Ayanokouji's insane information analysis and analytical prediction.
- Both Tsukishiro and Shiba are experienced people who are in their 40s or 50s and on the same age as Ip Man prime. All the more, they are more skilled and have higher BIQ than established geniuses in the series, meanwhile Ip Man just scales to gifted.
COTE isn't about how fast you are, how strong you are or how many martial arts you know, a person with a superior strategy can eventually take up huge tyrants.
Remember when I said 3 students beat 1 Grand Master and how that Grand Master is IP Man’s friend. Let me tell you how they became friends. Long story short, there was a competition among Grand Master Martial Artists, where you fight on a small round and unstable table to keep the fight very close. If you are able to get the master off the table you win. IP Man easily beat all the grand masters but stalemated his friend cuz the table broke. Of course later on we know IP Man was actually far above him cuz he either trained to surpass him by the next movie or he just held back not to give him serious injuries cuz he gave those students concussions but not the grand masters. Well all we know is IP Man is far above his friend by IP Man 3. IP Man’s most difficult opponents was a boxer who out stat him and can out-fight everyone he had faced so far. IP Man had to use pressure points to beat him but it was high diff. He also had this little fun with Mike Tyson (yeah idk what Mike was doing in the movie) whose punches could take him out easily so he had to weave through em to stalemate him. Lastly we got the first movie where IP just beat a dude with a duster after he attacked him with a sword of course he hands don’t work cuz IP Man was just too far skilled. To put things in perspective, this dude beat all the masters in IP man’s town very easily. Of course some of the best martial arts masters in town weren’t as good as the grand masters or those Japanese Students but they’re still better than the average professional martial artist.
No matter what you say, Ip Man's training was never even 1% of Ayanokouji's training. His training is still human and was narratively said to give humanly best possible skills right?
"I explained to you at the time that we had created a curriculum with 10 difficulty levels, but the Beta was a different dimension that would never be reached. In effect, we considered the fifth or sixth level to be the limit of human development."
Fifth of sixth level was the limit of human development. Ayanokouji is level 10, so he already far transcends the amount of skills a normal person would ever reach in their lifetime. Let me tell you, Ayanokouji reached Beta curriculum as well, and it is considered to be so hard that even a WR planner like Suzukake who thought the 10 levels could be passed considered it as a "different dimension".
The Beta Curriculum was described to be so hard, that Atsuomi (Ayanokouji's father) himself said that Ayanokouji could even die (but the chad didn't care though).
"That's why I said I would adopt the Beta curriculum for my child's generation. It's for the sake of research. Feel free to tell me, and I don't care if he dies."
And the fact that Ip Man struggled against world-class athletes means that his skill level is still not up to a world-class athleticism, Ayanokouji was himself described to get to a level where he couldn't even be said to be a human being,
"By the eighth year, the remaining children were down to five. Considering that there were 74 children at the beginning, the dropout rate was over 93%. The average dropout rate from the first to the third year was 27%, and 30% from the fifth year onward. The curriculum was reckless. At this point, I was afraid that all of them would've dropped out in the middle of their ninth year. No... I was rather hoping that they'd drop out. In the case where there was a child who could stay and continue to follow a curriculum that no human being should ever follow... That child would no longer be human, they'd be a monster. That cannot exist. As if to bring that reality into existence, when the new spring arrived, there was only one child left. But here's the problem. That one remaining child hasn't shown any sign of dropping out after 10, 11, 12 years. On the contrary, he's come to outperform us researchers and leaders. The adults with superficial knowledge left the White Room in less than a few days, holding their heads in their hands. The original purpose of the White Room was to continue education into adulthood, but the thought of six more years... I can't do it. That kid is going to outgrow us in the near future. This isn't a hunch, it's a certainty. And at the same time, I don't know why that's possible. Is it the product of my curriculum or a genetic mutation? I can't prove why he didn't drop out and continued to survive. It's driving me crazy." So-how should the existence of the White Room and Kiyotaka be viewed in the future?
but literally a monster. And you might have seen stuff about genetic mutation and stuff.
I wouldn't scale Ip Man to an unrealistic skill level, while Ayanokouji literally scales to even an unrealistic skill level by the age of just 9.
I haven’t watched IP Man 4 yet but I heard it has crazy skill too, I watched a few clips where IP fought hundreds of warriors and stuff then went on to fight the best martial arts fighters in the U.S. Military.
Again, it's a stamina feat.
Edit: I just remembered IP Man beating a guy who was one of the best fighters of the movie series. He did it without seeing and by anticipating the dude’s moves via the sound his opponent’s attacks through the air.
Manabu victim
"Kuku. I knew you wouldn't take me up on it".
As Ryuuen laughs lightly, he plants his crossed feet on the ground. Right after that, using a frontal kick, he sends snow flying towards the older Horikita's face. The point of it was to blind the opponent.
Looking for the moment where he becomes agitated after his vision is lost from the snow, Ryuuen launches his right fist forward aiming for the older Horikita's abdomen.
Towards that, without even giving off the feeling that his vision is obstructed, the older Horikita predicts the attack and completely guards against it. Even as he falls back, without panicking, calmly, he used his middle finger to adjust his glasses by the bridge.
"I thought you were just an intelligent bastard who only has his craftiness, but you're quite good aren't you?".
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Takuya victim
There were two faculty members present, but Yagami-kun was acting like it was of no concern to him at all. He had completely changed -he was now seething with anger. Just as Yagami-kun was about to move in on Ryuuen-kun, Ibuki-san attempted to land a jump kick on Yagami- kun from behind. Without even turning around to look, Yagami-kun dodged her attack and drove his elbow into her abdomen."Ack!"One single hit. It was just one blow, but Ibuki-san collapsed into a heap on the spot, unable to stand back up.
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Of course, Ayanokouji victim
Nanase must have not been able to stand listening to what I had to say for a minute longer, because she lunged right for me. The sharpness that had existed mere moments ago was now gone. I probably could have dodged her even with my eyes closed right now.
Also, Ayanokouji doesn't need sound, he had been established to pretty much just sense his opponents in the area around him, even when they try everything to hide their presence, only Ayanokouji can kill his presence and resist the hax of his own quality.
So yeah IP Man is far more skilled than feats you put up here even though we don’t get a backstory on how old he was when he became this skilled. Ayan is 5m away so he better not get skill ******.
Read the light novel bud, I clearly don't see Ip Man getting above even Ichika in BIQ with this. Ayanokouji possesses way more martial arts, way higher information analysis, higher prediction capability and higher battler strategy feats.
Defeating a hundred Suzunes (a character from COTE with above average martial arts knowledge and practice) shouldn't be a challenge for Ayanokouji.
His pressure points is also better than Ip Man so he pretty much can take down him in a shot. His anatomy knowledge far surpasses the anatomy knowledge of Ip Man.
He can also mimic Ip Man's techniques by just absorbing them unless they are biologically impossible. And just because you mentioned enhanced senses, Ayanokouji also surpasses in that, he doesn't need sound to do stuff, but he can basically sense the presences in the 3D space around him. Ayanokouji has mastery over boxing, taijutsu, judo, karate and MMA.
Ayanokouji also easily has higher mental age parameters than Ip Man, so I don't think that battle experience is even a problem for him.
In short, Ip Man is skill stomped.
And let me remind you, these aren't the best Ayanokouji feats, I am planning to add many in next COTE CRTs.
He's one of the reasons why I practiced some martial arts (though I was more influenced by the Karate Kid tbh). But no matter whatever you do, you cannot reach Ayanokouji's level in any life.
