Marioverse Abilities Part 2

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I don't... I don't really understand what you mean. But thank you for your input.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

I don't... I don't really understand what you mean. But thank you for your input.

He's basically saying "do not make Mario characters more powerful".


This is ridiculous, many of the abilities you mentioned are reasonable and they DO have reasons.

 

[Ryukama]

I'll reopen this thread so it doesn't seem like it just got shut down immediately out of nowhere. You can ask a few others to respond as well. However please accept their consensus if they say no.

By the way I am starting to lean towards Saikou, Random and DRB. Except that I do still think Mario being able to get himself out of petrification on his own would mean some resistance. Even if not a full on immunity.

 

[Theglassman12]

I'm on saikou's side regarding these additions.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Let me make a response to everything.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Shapeshifting needs more context

Throughout the whole game of Super Mario RPG, whenever Mario talks to people, he sometimes transforms into people. He does this to explain scenarios, because Mario only communicates by doing this and hand gestures for the most part.

Mario got blatantly affected by that petrification.

I know he did. But if he can break out of Petrification, he should get a resistance, because if Petrification was used on say you or me, that would be the be-all end-all to us.

Characters breaking out of a petrification is a pretty common thing in fiction, especially Video Games. I don't think it can be rated as outright resistance.

Then they should also get a resistance.

Bowser never even used the ability on them. And the Mario Maker thing is obvious game mechanic.

Fair enough on the Bowser thing. And if it was just Game Mechanics alone, Mario wouldn't react to it. It erases everything else, but not Mario.

The fact that Mario sweats imply that he isn't immune to it. But clearly, the game just doesn't let you erase Mario for obvious reasons.

The fact Mario sweats just shows he doesn't understand what's going on, and this still would warrant a resistance to Existence Erasure. I don't see why it wouldn't. The eraser that erases basically everything else in the game can't erase Mario, and Mario reacts to the eraser. Sure, it's 4th Wall Awareness, but that doesn't invalidate this.

Again, Mario is blatantly affected by this.

This is Mario literally taking himself apart and putting himself back together whenever he goes down a pipe. You're right, it probably shouldn't be Resistance to Matter Manipulation, it should just be some level of Regenerationn for Paper Mario, Bowser, Peach, and Luigi.

Game Mechanic. Or just plain...nothing at all.

Well, as with the first case, not Game Mechanics, but you're right, can't really attach an ability to this.

Unless it's their Standard Equipment, no.

And I suppose. Mario does have the Star Rod, though. Which reminds me, he should get Plot Manipulation added to his page for that.

For anything related to the Manga: It's not canon.

Is there any specific reason we're treating the manga as non-canon?

Soul Manipulation - We'd need an explicit instance of them being shown/stated to be capable of attacking souls while said soul is in the opponent's body, rather than just harming ghosts

In a recent highlighted thread, it was agreed that being able to harm ghosts counts as being able to harm intangible beings and souls.

I disagree with shapeshifting as its literally just a visual aid for the player to know what the hell he's doing, and you know...its funny.

This isn't just a visual aid for the players, though. This is literally Mario explaining to other characters stuff that happened earlier in the game that the players had already seen with Shapeshifting. If it was just a visual aid, that wouldn't make sense. They could just have Mario have dialog in the game, instead. And it being funny doesn't mean that he can't do it. Like, he does it.

I'm sorry but all of these abilities are out-right speculation with no reason or context.

Not really. Not all of them. Not half of them. Maybe just a few of them. Mario Shapeshifting? That's seen. Saying it would be anything else is just speculation. Mario breaking out of Petrification? Saying that would be anything else is speculation. Peach and Bowser being stated by Word of God text that they could live for 10,000 years? Not sure how that would be anything besides Longevity. Mario getting blown up like a balloon, popping, and reforming shortly after? Like, that's not Mid-High Regenerationn?

They don't even imply the characters have such abilities at all and doesn't even remotely resemble the abilities suggested.

Mario turning into Peach and Bowser doesn't resemble Shapeshifting? Mario breaking out of Petrification doesn't resemble Resistance to Petrification? Mario changing the direction of his projectiles in mid-air doesn't look like Telekinesis? Can you elabourate on what these things resemble then? Why don't they imply that the characters have these abilities?

Please, I ask you stop with these abilities list for the Mario series. I apologize if this is rude but I think it's getting out of hand at this point.

I'm sorry to say it, but me taking time to find these abilities that Mario characters have and you coming into the threads I take my time to make to add them to get them to be added on Marioverse profiles and then you rejecting literally all of them without explaining yourself at all did kind of hurt my feelings.

If a few of these get rejected, I can understand why. Leaving me in the dark as to why they're getting rejected, though, isn't the way to go about it. I want to know why they're getting rejected.

While this thread is still going on, there are some other abilities I want to address. King Boo should get Sealing and a Resistance to it for being able to seal people into paintings and also escape them. Paper Mario, Bowser, and Luigi should get Type 4 Immortality, because after helping out Jaydes in Super Paper Mario, she said she would tilt the scales in their favour if they ever got a game over. Paper Mario should get Sound Manipulation from the Attack FX Badges, One Hit Kill from Bump Attack, Spin Attack, and First Attack, Durability Negation from D-Down Jump, D-Down Pound, Resistance to Fire Manipulation from Fire Shield, Ice Manipulation from Ice Power and Ice Manipulation, Extrasensory Perception with Peekaboo, Electricity Manipulation from Zap Tap, and Resistance to Status Effect Inducement with Feeling Fine.

 

[ROLVeBloxxer]

Does Luigi have intangibility on his profile?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

No, that should be added.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

https://imgur.com/gallery/UvZ6Y

https://imgur.com/gallery/6eudo

• Power of music, blah blah

• Chaos flooding the world

• Toad confirms Chaos and Discord will destroy the land

• Dancing causes magic

• Dancing causes the boat to cross the river

• Dancing causes everything to dance

• Dancing causes miracles

• Dancing can be used to fight

• Dancing causes Koopas and other enemies to explode into music notes

• During a dance-off, dancing can nullify the powers of the other dancers that are losing

• Chaos of the Keys is causing a Twister

• Dancing fixes a hotel

• Keys are used to make a whirlpool

• Dancing can pilot a ship underwater and in the air

• Dancing can speed the user up

• Dancing can make the Boos "warm up" to you

• Dancing can warm the user up, create fire bubbles, and even quickly melt giant sentient ice beings

• Dancing can causes even inanimate objects to dance

• Dancing can be used to dodge

• Dancing reflects the Bullet Bills

• Dancing can build rockets that wield hammers

• Keys can fix tone deafness

• Mario's usage of the Keys causes happiness and the urge to dance within people

• Music is within souls

Sound Manipulation, Mind Control Reality Warping, Broadway Force, Chaos Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Telekinesis, Statistics Amplification, Power Nullification, Matter Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Enhanced Senses, Attack Reflection, Magic, Soul Manipulation. All by dancing.

This applies to Mario, Luigi, Wario, Waluigi, and Bowser.

 

[Kirbyelmejor]

For the op, I agree with shapeshifting for Mario, Longevity for Bowser and Peach, Resistance to Prefitication for Mario, Capable of harming intangible beings for the cast. For rest of the thread, I agree with Plot Manipulation for Mario with the Star Rod, Intangibility for Luigi with the Power Flower, Sealing for King Boo (I'm not sure about resistance to it because we don't even know if he escaped without help), and all those abilities for Paper Mario. Type 4 immortality seems fine, but I would like a link. I will see later about the dancing thing

 

[ArceusBowser44]

I agree, it's time that DRB assumes his responsabilities as a Mario expert. In Every upgrade/downgrade Mario threads DRB constantly says "no, stop it" or things like that.

It's getting annoying. Despite the BLATANT evidence of somethings (like for example, Void Manipulation for Dimentio and many of the abilitiesTheHadou mentioned).

Like seriously, WTF?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

@Kirby, Here. Thank you for your input.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@ArcuesBowser

I haven't neglected my role in this website. For the record, I do contribute more than just Mario, it just happens to be what I'm mostly known for. And I don't mindlessly drop every upgrade or ability offered right off the bat without context or because I don't want to. It's because they simply and logically don't have most of the abilities implied. Alot of these Mario-related threads recently really come across as attempts in making the verse and it's characters stronger than they actually are and it's getting into the point where some people believing we are wanking them. Considering the attempt in making Mario and co. Tier 2 because of the void feat, I don't blame people for the accusation in the slightest. For example, as Ryu pointed out for the petrification feat, it's not an immunity at all. Otherwise, it would not affect Mario whatsoever. Finally, I'm going have to advice you to drop the aggressive attitude you tend to show in these threads or the people you disagree with. We don't allow for such here.

@TheHadouCyberspaceWitch

I'm not dropping them with no context. They just don't simply have the ability you are imply.

-Shapingshifting from SMRPG? They are just charades. Since Mario is a silent protagonist, he only uses it a means of communication.

-Longetivity is such a huge stretch. All the guide said is Bowser is going to rule the universe for 10,000 years. That means nothing, especially when the dialouge implied this is only possible with the Grand Star and Galaxy Reactor. Count in the fact all three characters have aged no differently from each other or normal humans like us and this is nothing but speculation.

-Refer to what Ryu said about petrification

-The telekinesis feat isn't telekinesis. It's just an animation of Mario summoning a hammer and the said object smashing enemies just like the Things from Sticker Star. They are just the equilvalnet of Final Fantasy Summons.

-The Mario Bros will not be noted for being immune nor resistant to erasure. Peach and Starlow attacked Bowser before he can even use the Dream Stone to do so.

-Super Mario Maker doesn't really imply anything notable.

-The rest are manga exclusive abilities that can't be applied into the main profiles.

Mario's ability to hurt ghost ocassionally is already in his profile and the Star Rod in MP8 is completely different from the one in PM. Neither Star Rod also does not create black holes or manipulate the plot.

So as you can see, I didn't just mindlessly turn my back on this thread. The characters just don't have the abilities you are implying and alot of them are heavily exaggerated. So again, I'm asking to please mellow down with them. Only make them when they are somewhat plausible at best. If I have to be honest, the way these threads are hyping the franchise is getting ridiculous. This isn't DBS, just a family-friendly video game.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

DRB, don't use that logic. Guess what, Kirby also isn't meant to be OP. Sonic is the same thing.

Just because Mario is meant to be a "friendly-videogame" doesn't mean that it has to be weak. Espacially since a few Mario games are actually for adults, and are actually meant to be OP (just look at the SMG games with all those black holes and supernovas and destructions of universes and etc).

 

[ArceusBowser44]

And about Longevity, the Star Festival takes place once in a hunderd years anyway, so the characters do have longevity.

About the rest, seems ok, though, the hax Hadou mentioned (those taken from DDR) seem legit to me.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

And about the Tier 2 things, it's irrelevant here, and it doesn't change the fact that there are STILL a few Tier 2 feats that Mario did.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@ArcuesBowser44

You completely missed the point. I never said the verse or any other verse should be weak. I said we shouldn't overhype it's strength or ignore for what is. The verse is just a classic vg franchise with shallow or bizzare stories that just so happens to be a strong verse. It's not like Dragon Ball Super where stuff happens because they want to keep showing off how powerful the characters are (at the expense of consistency).

 

[ArceusBowser44]

I get what you are saying, but you also completely missed the point.

My point is, JUST because the vg is mant to be family-friendly doesn't mean that if they show pretty strong feats/abilities, those should be ignored.

For example, Hadou is the first Marioverse abilities thread STILL showed us blatant proof that PM can manipulate water, bones, can use broadway force and much more.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

I didn't miss that point at all. After all, I updated and helped with the Pretty Cure related pages, despite the fact it's basically a franchise aimed for the female demographic. You simply took that too far into the point you ae trying so hard to push for tiers and abilities for these characters just because you were seemingly fasicinated at how suprisingly strong the verse is, regardless of how relevant or logical the feats achieved and abilities suggested are. I'm simply being cogent when it comes to this wacky universe and it's characters....

 

[ArceusBowser44]

No, i'm not. Now you are just making assumptions.

I'm not fascinated, not even close. But some of the feats are blatant, DRB. MegaBug, Peach manipulating good dreams and then destroying the Dream Stone,Luigi possessing the concept of time, Antasma manipulating the Dream World, Bowser surviving the supernova at the end of SMG.....

 

[ArceusBowser44]

Sorry if it sounds rude, BTW

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

The only one who is assuming here is you. The princess did not manipulate anything whatsoever and destroying a power source or artifact doesn't directly translates to a character's AP since it's durability is alot weaker unless stated to not be the case. Otherwise, we have alot more characters in the higher tiers because of this. Dreamy Luigi does not possess the "concept of time." Just a clock and he only uses it to slow down or speed time up. It's a form of time manipulation but nothing more. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you are just simply overhyping feats and abilities. I will carry this conversation no longer if there's nothing relevant to add.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Refer to what Ryu said about Petrification

He said that Mario should get the Resistance. I wasn't asking for an immunity, just a Resistance.

The telekinesis feat isn't telekinesis. It's just an animation of Mario summoning a hammer and the said object smashing enemies just like the Things from Sticker Star. They are just the equilvalnet of Final Fantasy Summons.

This still doesn't address the dancing causing the ship to sail through the air, or the Keys to fly into the air.

Mario's ability to hurt ghost ocassionally is already in his profile and the Star Rod in MP8 is completely different from the one in PM. Neither Star Rod also does not create black holes or manipulate the plot.

I'm opting for it to be on the profiles of more of the cast. Also, the Star Rod of Paper Mario does manipulate the plot. This was already accepted in a recent thread and was added to Bowser's page. I was just pointing out that it should also be added to Paper Mario's.

Also, the points of all of the other abilities of dancing other than Telekinesis weren't addressed.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

"This still doesn't address the dancing causing the ship to sail through the air, or the Keys to fly into the air."

So Spongebob causing a bus to fly in Atlantis Squarepantis means he has telekinesis? No, neither do this. Mario's is clealy piloting the ship in most of your examples and the ship is likely summoned or autopilot when he called it. He's already capable of Fire Manipulation and he does not not have Mind Manipulation or Reality Warping. He's just dancing for the approval of the enemies he encountered. Ask for the Keys, it's no different from the way how he holds Power Stars, Power Moons, or any other McGuffin. It's simiply their mystic powers. Stop pushing for abilities he clearly doesn't have. And I like to see this thread of the reason why it has Plot Manipulation. If it's not valid, I'm removing it immediately.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

The only one who is assuming here is you. The princess did not manipulate anything whatsoever and destroying a power source or artifact doesn't directly translates to a character's AP since it's durability is alot weaker unless stated to not be the case. Otherwise, we have alot more characters in the higher tiers because of this. Dreamy Luigi does not possess the "concept of time." Just a clock and he only uses it to slow down or speed time up. It's a form of time manipulation but nothing more. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you are just simply overhyping feats and abilities. I will carry this conversation no longer if there's nothing relevant to add.

First of all, those are just a few of the feats.

And second, no. The princess is manipulating good dreams: Starlow: *shoots a pink blast* "Feel the power of good dreams, Bowser?"

So, if the princess isn't manipulating good dreams, then at least she is manifesting those dreams in the form of that pink laser.

The Dream Stone is literally a multiverse, your point is irrelevant.

True, but in order to do that, Dreamy Luigi literally possessed the concept of time of the Dream World. In fact, the entire Dream World changes (the Dream World turns blue, which means that time was slowed down, something pretty common in the Marioverse).

 

[Random1201]

@DRB

Here is the thread where Bowser received Plot Manipulation

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@Random1201

Thank you. I will look into it. If it's not valid, I will have Dark or Ryu remove it. Meanwhile, I'm closing this thread since it's obviously going nowhere. Some were abilities already included while others will not be inserted nor new tiers will not be happening for what I just explained.