Mario VS Twilight (Reboot)

[AquaWaifu]

Yeah no, Mario and Paper Mario are considered two totally different things

Hmm well then anyone who has voted for Mario due to thing he has because of Paper Mario like battle cards, badges etc...establish your votes again since they are not considered valid if those are the sole reason behind he vote.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Wait a second, if the card are Paper Mario only, why the hell are they on Mario's page?

 

[AquaWaifu]

Wait a second, if the card are Paper Mario only, why the hell are they on Mario's page?

paper jam, which is weird half paper mario half not?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Then why did you say that the ones that voted Mario due to battle cards don't count?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Technically Paper Jam should fall under Paper Mario, not regular Mario

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Then why are the cards on Mario's page? I'm seriously confused right now.

 

[Bluetrekking]

I change my vote to twilight fra.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

NO, they are not separate entities, and I'm not bringing DRB here for something so trivial, so please drop it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ask Cal, if theyre only from Paper Mario games then they really shouldnt be

 

[AquaWaifu]

Then why are the cards on Mario's page? I'm seriously confused right now.

someone was bias and CHEATED?!

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

NO, they are not separate entities, and I'm not bringing DRB here for something so trivial, so please drop it.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So, will the Battle Cards be removed from Mario's page?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Cal This is potentially a huge issue, its not something you can just say "Drop it" to

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

If you wanna get DRB here, then be my guest.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

What's DRB?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Whats DRB?

Edit: Ninjaed

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Dino Ranger Black.

Weekly, Bruh. I thought you knew who all the staff was ovo

 

[Pikachu942]

It's pretty clear they are two separate beings via Paper Jam.

 

[Laughing_Manson]

It's pretty clear they are two separate beings via Paper Jam.

Is that game any good? I haven't played it yet.

 

[Js250476]

I heard it's pretty good but I haven't played it yet so I can't say

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

Just so that everyone is clear, I do not care for the match-up. I'm only called here to address the misconception, which seems to be a big issue, that Paper Mario and Mario are not the same character when they, infact, are.

I have explained this many times before. Characters that originated from the PM games such as the Star Spirits and Goomboss actually appeared in other games such as Mario Party 5 and Super Mario 64 DS. Goomboss even refer to how he finally turned the tables on Mario since their last encounter and Toadette's trophy description establish that she's the same character in TTYD and MK games. All the characters in the Mario, regardless of their artstyle or genres, are the same characters. Nintendo only likes switching and spliting them up when a game they want to make calls for it. Paper Jam isn't a game that establish a different canon as Nintendo could care less about it.

Please stop using the co-existence of a popular alter-ego of a character to establish canoncity in a franchise where Mario can play golf with his baby counterpart. It would be like saying Bowser and Dry Bowser a different character just because of Mario Party: Island Tour where Bowser said Dry Bowser is his cousin and happens to be a seperate character in his playable appearance. Same with Metal and Gold Mario.

I should note this is confirmed by the remake of Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions. The monitor (Which wasn't in the original) established the blocks in the room are from Mario's past adventures. One of them is Paper Mario (N64).

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If they really are the same exact character then why do they have seperate pages and completely different tiers?

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@WeeklyBattle

For organization purposes. Back then before revisions on the verse and it's characters were made, the stats for the franchise were all over the place and completely cluttered. Nearly as inconsistent as Pokemon before their revision done by Cal and the Marvel comics. Since there are several feats with varying statistics, we decided to seperate the pages in terms of series appearance. We nearly did the same thing with his appearance in other games such as SMRPG.

 

[AquaWaifu]

if there is no canon then why dos it matter if they are brought up in other games? and what about Paper Jam? since its a continuation of M&L which is the same Mario that was in Paper Mario, but paper Jam also has Paper Mario

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So you seperated the character pages in terms of series appearance but not all of the items powerups and abilities? How does that make sense?

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

Aren't you contradicting yourself with that question since it makes this entire conversation pointless?

And that Paper Mario in Paper Jam is an enitrely different character. He isn't the Mario that we have been following since the original PM. He's simply Mario but made of paper....literally.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dino The question here is why does regular Mario have access to the Cards that are exclusively in Paper Mario games? This is what everyone is concerned about.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@WeeklyBattle

None of Mario's abilities that he used in the PM games are in the main profile.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Then why has Cal been using them as an argument here? He's been treating them like they are.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

What do you mean?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Aren't the Battle Cards from PM? They're on the main profile.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Battle cards are in paper Jam and Color Splash, both have paper mario elements an paper Mario in them

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

Ah.....Battle Cards. That's what caused the confusion. Cal was most definitely referring to the ones in Paper Jam, where not just Mario but his paper counterpart and Luigi can utilize. You mistaken the ones from Color Splash.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Oh, ok.

 

[AquaWaifu]

So does he get acccess to stuff like the Star Rod and badges etc? Cause if he does I have to call this a stomp since stuff like Star Rod and Power Nullification with Star beam gives Mario far too big of an advantage given his already much higher AP and many that argue him having equal or more versatility in this vs battle.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

@Aqua

Mario never used the Star Rod, so no.

 

[AquaWaifu]

but on Paper Mario profile he has reality warping and earthquake manipulation via the Star Rod.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

That should be with the Star Spirits and Crystals, not the Star Rod. I'll change that in the profile.

 

[AquaWaifu]

One thing about the Battle Cards, Mario has to take out his pocket or whatever, go through his collectiion and use a card, whereas Twilight can with a thought mind manip him easily or tk the cards out of his hands or even possibly teleport the cards away.but if he gets off that time manip and Twilight isnt like super high in the sky out of his reach he's got a win basically.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

If ppl ate still getting confused with the separate paper Mario page could we possibly add a paper Mario to the Mario page? Imo I never thought why it was separate due to "cluttered" I mean look at Kirby page hehehe. But that's just an opinion