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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread
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DemonKing021
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You survived..
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It's not passive, Avos clearly used time manipulation and sent Argnemt to the future, the same thing she did when Lay destroyed her source.
DemonKing021
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She has time manipulation? If you mean Revide, then she doesn't.
Although she had Venuzdonoa and that thing is a bitch. So maybe. But i still don't know why she needed to use Argonemt. Venuzdonoa can ressurect the wielder from source destruction. Wasn't Venuz at that time powernulled by Mauve eyes? Or was that anime only?
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It was implied that she has, since her rumors extend to Evansmana cutting down the demon king. Venuzdonoa was still yet to be manifested when Lay destroyed her source, so yea.
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I don't know how this site considers different types of regeneration, but Argment mostly operates by using specific Origin as a point of reference in time and restoring the source to the state it was before that recorded timeframe.
https://imgur.com/gallery/maou-gakuin-wogs-BnllaEx
https://imgur.com/gallery/maou-gakuin-wogs-BnllaEx
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DemonKing021
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No she doesn't. She has never shown time manipulation upto the latest volume.
Yes, Spirits gets their power from their legend. That's why she has the common magic people knew Demon King had (like Jirasd, Jio Graze, MED) but most people never knew the existence of Rivide.
Even Ivis Necron, one of his blood bound descendant didn't know the existence of Rivide.
It maybe a plot hole or Venuz being Venuz. Better explanation would be she used some kind of conditional magic (like Lent), so when her source is destroyed that magic is activated or something.
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The fact that she set up Argnemt two times makes me think otherwise, a spell that Anos specifically explained to work in combination of the time spell.
She also used spells like Ygg Neas and most of all Argnemt, both of which are are shown to be exclusive only to Anos(not accounting Glysiris' feats)
To be fair, his blood descendants were ignorant to alot of things Anos can do. Let's not forget that this guys didn't even know how to cast Gatom.
It really isn't a plot hole if you just consider Avos casted Argnemt the usual way like Anos did. It's not really that complicated.
Also, Venuzdonoa would have removed the cause of her destruction instead of doing such a roundabout way of altering Argnemt's laws.
EldemadeDityjon
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Agronemt activated because of rumours not because she prepared it. It's just Evansmana attack is already known to her.
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I dont think you can prepare Argonemt beforehand(at least without Rivide), probably the Origin of attack needs to take place first. Otherwise, Anos would have used the same strategy when he fought Lay/Kanon and the result would remain the same.
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She can use all of Anos powers except those from source of destruction and lion of destruction
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Kanon knew about Rivide. The rumors are about the demon king of tyranny who has mastered almost every magic. I'm pretty sure many didn't know about <I gneas> but she used it as well
I feel it could and you never know, Shu might've changed things a bit
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That exact mechanism was addressed when Anos used Agronemt on Nousgalia, Shu himself also explained in one of his replies that Agronemt turns back time to a state before a specific moment, that moment being in reference to the Origin. For that reason, the attack has to happen first before the spell is complete.
Changing it midway just seem unlikely.
DemonKing021
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It seems everybody have a different opinion on this.
I still don't think she can use Rivide. Anos' comment suggests Ygg Neas wasn't that uncommon among the Demons of the mythical age.
Time Magic Rivide on the other hand according to Anos is a difficult spell. So, it's obviously not that well known.
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Yet, we are talking about spells that Avos naturally acquired through her rumors. Nothing really suggest that the spell was not uncommon, just that it's a spell that came aboveground. Are we also forgetting the fact that she can use Agronemt?
Origin magic in general is a difficult a spell. Being well known or not also don't matter as WoG confirmed that the way new rumors manifest as power in spirits is not based on whether it's well known or not.
Plus, there's also a fact that Agronemt itself is a form of time spell since according to Shu its a magic that turns back time to the point before the attack(origin) occured. https://imgur.com/gallery/maou-gakuin-wogs-BnllaEx
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Ygg Neas isn't common, for one it involves layering a hundred magic circles on each other and demons like Zabro who are only bested by the likes of the evil royals can only layer 40. That statement isn't saying it was common, Anos was just saying the person is a demon as Ygg neas shouldn't exist underground.
Difficult not impossible. Anos still says he can count on one hand the number of people who can use it other than him. Avos magic power, skill and knowledge far surpasses their own.
Lastly, her powers are from Anos Voldigoad, anything he can do, she can do, it doesn't have to be well known nor mentioned in the rumors evidenced by how she deciphered the runes for Delzgade to use Venuzdonor, used De jescheisis despite it being something Anos only created a few hours prior, she also immediately understood Anos had changed the past meaning she understands the concepts governing time.
There is zero reasons why she is unable to use Revide
EldemadeDityjon
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Volume 4 states Anos just knowing the attack is enough use Agronemt
Volume 8 he brings back Aeges despite Graham was the one who killed him
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Because "knowing/understanding something" is the basic pre requisite for Origin magic that uses things as an "Origin". The mechanism in which those Origin are utilized is an entirely different thing depending on the spell.
Agronemt for example works by using a certain attack as an Origin and with that as a reference, internally turning back time before the said attack was recieved.
DemonKing021
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Do you think we can wank Anos' anti magic in the future? Heath/Third Demon King tanked a multiversal Ain Anyl Narvava directly.
Also Anos learned flow magic, right? Which one do you think he can use. Do you think he can use the attack reflection one?
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Real
Anos jumping in the entire River World's source and resisting(barely) its polar lights with anti magic was more impressive imo
For one, we do know that Anos can use Marvia which forces the flow of stagnant spells(some type of restoration) and vise versa. Pretty sure it was also the same spell that nulled Roncruz's fusion magic and Aisha's Dino Jixxes. Whether he can use other flow spells, it's certainly possible.
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- Tf is layered NPI
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basically i was exploring matchups and found some from yhwach in which the supporters said that apparently to interact with some bleach characters you need layers of npi, because some characters are more "interactable" than others. That is to say there are beings that can interact with intangible beings in bleach, but not with others, those "others" are considered layered intangibility o some shit like that. And in this case when a character can interact with NEP he is given NPI(Nonexistent type blablabla), and since venuzdonoa can interact with graham independently of the layers of NEP, then he should also have infinite layers of NPI.
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Pretty sure the layered NPI only applies to spirit ribbons that even souls can't normally see or interact, not to characters themselves. Following that logic, I guess Venuz could have some form of higher NPI.
EldemadeDityjon
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That's for only souls. Maou characters goes beyond that. (Fundamental concepts)
