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You missed my point entirely, What I am arguing is when was just "agronemt" changed to regeneration?"
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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread
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Wesker018
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You beat me to it, I was looking for that thread
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Yes, with me being fully ignored... What I want to be answered, is simply why Agronemt is used as "regeneration" justification?
DemonKing021
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Also I am pretty sure Argnemt can be used passively as well if I am not forgetting some context.
Does anyone have idea how she did it? She doesn't have time manipulation like Revide if i remember correctly and after getting her source destroyed she shouldn't be able to use magic at all.
Does anyone have idea how she did it? She doesn't have time manipulation like Revide if i remember correctly and after getting her source destroyed she shouldn't be able to use magic at all.
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It's done, dude. Finally. Elenesia and her eyes gave me a bit of a trouble, but not enough to stop me from peering into her abyss. Anyways, if you are making a CRT, can you add history to Source regeneration too?
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"Behold, anomaly of the world. The <Gears of Fate> have long begun to turn. None can escape this decree. Vertex Fenblem compels you to a singular destiny."
The <Gears of Fate> scattered their brown light.
"Defeat."
Bronze gears were embedded across every corner of the Three-Faced World. In the sky, on the surface, in cities of ice, forests, and mountains alike, the <Gears of Fate> had begun to spin.
"If you so much as move, the Three-Faced World, <Demon King's Garden>, will shatter along with the order of creation itself. That is the unalterable, inescapable fate that Vertex Fenblem has just decreed."
A foreign order enveloped me. With an eerie creaking sound, the <Gears of Fate> continued to turn.
Eques raised both hands high.
"<For the world, fate turns—Beld-Laaze-Fenb Rem.>"
Creak, creak, creak. The bronze gears groaned. They forcibly twisted the order of the Three-Faced World that Misha had created.
"Be crushed beneath the <Gears of Fate>, anomaly of the world."
A magical gear sigil formed, and interlocking bronze wheels began to spin. As they violently tore through the ground, they swelled to an immense size.
"<Divine Gear Dominion Wheel—Boros Hetero Arvis.>"
With a ghastly rumble, the bronze wheels slowly advanced, shattering the frozen land. Each rotation sent up showers of brown sparks, painting the Three-Faced World in an eerie glow. The divine wheels sought to tear my body apart, but I grasped them firmly with both hands.
"Now, obey the <Gears of Fate>—it is time for destruction. You, fleeting world, forged by the hands of the Creator God."
Eques spoke as though certain of his victory.
But I slammed the <Divine Gear Dominion Wheel—Boros Hetero Arvis> down and crushed it underfoot. A thunderous sound echoed, shaking the very earth.
The <Demon King's Garden>—was not destroyed.
"…Wh…at…?"
I took a single step toward Eques.
"…Why…?"
Equal muttered in stunned disbelief.
The <Gears of Fate> scattered their brown light.
"Defeat."
Bronze gears were embedded across every corner of the Three-Faced World. In the sky, on the surface, in cities of ice, forests, and mountains alike, the <Gears of Fate> had begun to spin.
"If you so much as move, the Three-Faced World, <Demon King's Garden>, will shatter along with the order of creation itself. That is the unalterable, inescapable fate that Vertex Fenblem has just decreed."
A foreign order enveloped me. With an eerie creaking sound, the <Gears of Fate> continued to turn.
Eques raised both hands high.
"<For the world, fate turns—Beld-Laaze-Fenb Rem.>"
Creak, creak, creak. The bronze gears groaned. They forcibly twisted the order of the Three-Faced World that Misha had created.
"Be crushed beneath the <Gears of Fate>, anomaly of the world."
A magical gear sigil formed, and interlocking bronze wheels began to spin. As they violently tore through the ground, they swelled to an immense size.
"<Divine Gear Dominion Wheel—Boros Hetero Arvis.>"
With a ghastly rumble, the bronze wheels slowly advanced, shattering the frozen land. Each rotation sent up showers of brown sparks, painting the Three-Faced World in an eerie glow. The divine wheels sought to tear my body apart, but I grasped them firmly with both hands.
"Now, obey the <Gears of Fate>—it is time for destruction. You, fleeting world, forged by the hands of the Creator God."
Eques spoke as though certain of his victory.
But I slammed the <Divine Gear Dominion Wheel—Boros Hetero Arvis> down and crushed it underfoot. A thunderous sound echoed, shaking the very earth.
The <Demon King's Garden>—was not destroyed.
"…Wh…at…?"
I took a single step toward Eques.
"…Why…?"
Equal muttered in stunned disbelief.
EldemadeDityjon
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There is I think 1 or 2 more scans needs to be translated. But Satoshi is not active right now. I'll ask him to share the scans later
Btw the Kanji used for Range. What are the other meanings it has. I saw something about timing and distance
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The word used here "間合い" (まあい, maai) specially refers to combat distance or striking range, commonly used in martial arts.
In a broader sense, 間合い can also refer to the timing or rhythm of an interaction, like knowing when to strike or act.
But the context given here (a battle scene), 間合い primarily means striking range, but if you want a more poetic or dramatic effect, it could also hint at timing—implying that the spear ignores not just distance but also the concept of waiting for the "right moment" to strike. But, meh? It already has statements of transcending time, so you go, King.
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Thanks. So basically what happened is.. the chief God Equisetum was basically indestructible. Anos even with all his power couldn't finish him off without destroying the world. Anos wants to protect the world and Equis is his world (romantic, huh?).
So Misha created a three layered world where both of them can release their magic power without destroying the world. Anos didn't need to hold back there. Equis wanted to destroy that three layered world, so anos couldn't use his powers without destroying the real world.
The fate he determined was that if Anos made a single movement (like opening his eyes or us magic), the three layered world will be destroyed. So Anos is basically trapped at that point. Equis used Boros Hetero Avis, forcing Anos to make a movement. Anos of course crushed that, so three layered world should have been destroyed because even if Anos had a power that went back in time before the creation of the world, the predetermined fate should still take place before that.
But it didn't. Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destrction/Mayhem (
) destroyed that logic. So the event that should have already happened didn't. You may have noticed that Anos used his magic eyes after making a movement.
It implies that even if a hax was used on Anos as long as he uses MEOCD later, he can still counter it by destroying logic.
So Misha created a three layered world where both of them can release their magic power without destroying the world. Anos didn't need to hold back there. Equis wanted to destroy that three layered world, so anos couldn't use his powers without destroying the real world.
The fate he determined was that if Anos made a single movement (like opening his eyes or us magic), the three layered world will be destroyed. So Anos is basically trapped at that point. Equis used Boros Hetero Avis, forcing Anos to make a movement. Anos of course crushed that, so three layered world should have been destroyed because even if Anos had a power that went back in time before the creation of the world, the predetermined fate should still take place before that.
But it didn't. Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destrction/Mayhem (
) destroyed that logic. So the event that should have already happened didn't. You may have noticed that Anos used his magic eyes after making a movement.It implies that even if a hax was used on Anos as long as he uses MEOCD later, he can still counter it by destroying logic.
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Nah, jit crazy.Thanks. So basically what happened is.. the chief God Equisetum was basically indestructible. Anos even with all his power couldn't finish him off without destroying the world. Anos wants to protect the world and Equis is his world (romantic, huh?).
So Misha created a three layered world where both of them can release their magic power without destroying the world. Anos didn't need to hold back there. Equis wanted to destroy that three layered world, so anos couldn't use his powers without destroying the real world.
The fate he determined was that if Anos made a single movement (like opening his eyes or us magic), the three layered world will be destroyed. So Anos is basically trapped at that point. Equis used Boros Hetero Avis, forcing Anos to make a movement. Anos of course crushed that, so three layered world should have been destroyed because even if Anos had a power that went back in time before the creation of the world, the predetermined fate should still take place before that.
But it didn't. Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destrction/Mayhem (
It implies that even if a hax was used on Anos as long as he uses MEOCD later, he can still counter it by destroying logic.
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Guys, do we have a server for MGK? I wanna be added just for fun.
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Join the Maou Gakuin Discord Server!
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Guys, I can speak 6 languages in total; Nepali, English, Hindi, Japanese, Malay, and Korean. Now, I have experience with Godot engine, Renpy, and I am decently proficient in making mods for Minecraft. I am also writing a webnovel and an actual novel. And I have just realized that these are all indoor skills and hobbies.
I never have to go touch grass if I just keep doing this sht. That's why I am single.. oh, and I am also a power scaler... I need to touch proper grass, dude.
I never have to go touch grass if I just keep doing this sht. That's why I am single.. oh, and I am also a power scaler... I need to touch proper grass, dude.
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That's actually impressive , who care about grass, only animals
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Well I can speak some languages too i suppose; english, Hindi, Bengali, my main state language and learning Russian (when your love for your fictional Waifu surpasses your love for your motherland.)
Being a fate fan, i like reading legends, myths and folklore. I was actually writing a novel myself with the help of AI (for paraphrasing and grammar correction). But I have to study for NEET as well. So can't do it anymore.
I was kind of a nerd at school. Only talked to girls to ask for their marks and mostly used three words at most. Maths was my favourite subject (got 99 in 12) but because my mom wants me to give Neet, so here I am.. giving up maths and pursuing biology.
Being a fate fan, i like reading legends, myths and folklore. I was actually writing a novel myself with the help of AI (for paraphrasing and grammar correction). But I have to study for NEET as well. So can't do it anymore.
I was kind of a nerd at school. Only talked to girls to ask for their marks and mostly used three words at most. Maths was my favourite subject (got 99 in 12) but because my mom wants me to give Neet, so here I am.. giving up maths and pursuing biology.
It's not that you're single. Your girlfriend just has Non Existent Physiology 2 in powerscaling terms.
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Alya won't look at you, Budd. How did I know? Because I am I AM!!
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Yeah.. but I am straight up obssesed with her..
There is that depressing feeling.. the hopelessness of knowing no matter what you do, how successful you become alya will never tease you in Russian. There's that inner frustration.. directed at the protagonist.
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I love Anastasia. She is from fate.
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DemonKing021
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Come on, it's not that weird. People have obssesion all the time.
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What's your Discord username? I will send a friend request.
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I am not saying it's weird, I just haven't watched Alya sometimes hides her feelings in Russian.
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My username is literally my username. Every letter is small, btw.
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Don't Check this out
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That's why we can't be friends.
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the heck does that do
edit: never mind
edit: never mind
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closed before if could load
slow internet came in clutch
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You survived..
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It's not passive, Avos clearly used time manipulation and sent Argnemt to the future, the same thing she did when Lay destroyed her source.
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She has time manipulation? If you mean Revide, then she doesn't.
Although she had Venuzdonoa and that thing is a *****. So maybe. But i still don't know why she needed to use Argonemt. Venuzdonoa can ressurect the wielder from source destruction. Wasn't Venuz at that time powernulled by Mauve eyes? Or was that anime only?
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It was implied that she has, since her rumors extend to Evansmana cutting down the demon king. Venuzdonoa was still yet to be manifested when Lay destroyed her source, so yea.
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I don't know how this site considers different types of regeneration, but Argment mostly operates by using specific Origin as a point of reference in time and restoring the source to the state it was before that recorded timeframe.
https://imgur.com/gallery/maou-gakuin-wogs-BnllaEx
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No she doesn't. She has never shown time manipulation upto the latest volume.
Yes, Spirits gets their power from their legend. That's why she has the common magic people knew Demon King had (like Jirasd, Jio Graze, MED) but most people never knew the existence of Rivide.
Even Ivis Necron, one of his blood bound descendant didn't know the existence of Rivide.
It maybe a plot hole or Venuz being Venuz. Better explanation would be she used some kind of conditional magic (like Lent), so when her source is destroyed that magic is activated or something.
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The fact that she set up Argnemt two times makes me think otherwise, a spell that Anos specifically explained to work in combination of the time spell.
She also used spells like Ygg Neas and most of all Argnemt, both of which are are shown to be exclusive only to Anos(not accounting Glysiris' feats)
To be fair, his blood descendants were ignorant to alot of things Anos can do. Let's not forget that this guys didn't even know how to cast Gatom.
It really isn't a plot hole if you just consider Avos casted Argnemt the usual way like Anos did. It's not really that complicated.
Also, Venuzdonoa would have removed the cause of her destruction instead of doing such a roundabout way of altering Argnemt's laws.
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Agronemt activated because of rumours not because she prepared it. It's just Evansmana attack is already known to her.
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I dont think you can prepare Argonemt beforehand(at least without Rivide), probably the Origin of attack needs to take place first. Otherwise, Anos would have used the same strategy when he fought Lay/Kanon and the result would remain the same.
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She can use all of Anos powers except those from source of destruction and lion of destruction
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Kanon knew about Rivide. The rumors are about the demon king of tyranny who has mastered almost every magic. I'm pretty sure many didn't know about <I gneas> but she used it as well
I feel it could and you never know, Shu might've changed things a bit
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