That exact mechanism was addressed when Anos used Agronemt on Nousgalia, Shu himself also explained in one of his replies that Agronemt turns back time to a state before a specific moment, that moment being in reference to the Origin. For that reason, the attack has to happen first before the spell is complete.
It seems everybody have a different opinion on this.
Time Magic Rivide on the other hand according to Anos is a difficult spell. So, it's obviously not that well known.
Yet, we are talking about spells that Avos naturally acquired through her rumors. Nothing really suggest that the spell was not uncommon, just that it's a spell that came aboveground. Are we also forgetting the fact that she can use Agronemt?
Origin magic in general is a difficult a spell. Being well known or not also don't matter as WoG confirmed that the way new rumors manifest as power in spirits is not based on whether it's well known or not.
Ygg Neas isn't common, for one it involves layering a hundred magic circles on each other and demons like Zabro who are only bested by the likes of the evil royals can only layer 40. That statement isn't saying it was common, Anos was just saying the person is a demon as Ygg neas shouldn't exist underground.
Difficult not impossible. Anos still says he can count on one hand the number of people who can use it other than him. Avos magic power, skill and knowledge far surpasses their own.
Volume 4 states Anos just knowing the attack is enough use Agronemt
Because "knowing/understanding something" is the basic pre requisite for Origin magic that uses things as an "Origin". The mechanism in which those Origin are utilized is an entirely different thing depending on the spell.
Do you think we can wank Anos' anti magic in the future? Heath/Third Demon King tanked a multiversal Ain Anyl Narvava directly.
Also Anos learned flow magic, right? Which one do you think he can use. Do you think he can use the attack reflection one?
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Anos jumping in the entire River World's source and resisting(barely) its polar lights with anti magic was more impressive imo
For one, we do know that Anos can use Marvia which forces the flow of stagnant spells(some type of restoration) and vise versa. Pretty sure it was also the same spell that nulled Roncruz's fusion magic and Aisha's Dino Jixxes. Whether he can use other flow spells, it's certainly possible.
basically i was exploring matchups and found some from yhwach in which the supporters said that apparently to interact with some bleach characters you need layers of npi, because some characters are more "interactable" than others. That is to say there are beings that can interact with intangible beings in bleach, but not with others, those "others" are considered layered intangibility o some shit like that. And in this case when a character can interact with NEP he is given NPI(Nonexistent type blablabla), and since venuzdonoa can interact with graham independently of the layers of NEP, then he should also have infinite layers of NPI.
Pretty sure the layered NPI only applies to spirit ribbons that even souls can't normally see or interact, not to characters themselves. Following that logic, I guess Venuz could have some form of higher NPI.
That's for only souls. Maou characters goes beyond that. (Fundamental concepts)
Well, shouldn't the same go for interacting with Graham's Nep? Since the thing naturally gets more harder to interact as it gets deeper.
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Yeah it should but only Silver Sea characters should be able to interact with it.
Deeper mortal gets layers of all pre SS hax by deafult , right? (not NEP2 becuase is smth outside reason)
I am confused why that is. Are you saying deep sea world characters should get all haxes from shallow layers?
Not all since limited order exist. At the very least, I think common magical laws in layer 1 would be like a layer above the same magical laws in layer 0, and so on..
One who can manipulate fire dew should be able to interact with NEP type 2. It's not about shallow or deep thing.
True about Fire dew. Even Misfits are part of it right?
Kind of
Normally yes but there are few exceptions and there is also magic for deepening exist.
Ohyou're the least egregious person I've seen tackle this
Yes. Anahem's death saber can destroy anything with a touch but it couldn't destroy Anos' source because of it being merged with Graham's nothingness.
This is just Void Manip when Anos uses Graham source - which Anos imprisoned in the source to act as a shield.
This part even shows that Anos's source is not nothingness because Anos is so afraid of death that he has to use Graham's source as a shield and does not dare to block it directly with his own source.
His profile already has a scan for characters saying his Source is currently nothingness
that's the worst assumption anyone could bring up
, the only reason why(imo) he would use nothingness as shield would be if his sword actually pierces anos source his destruction would ooze out from the opening, not only anahem would be dead but that would cause fatal wound to the world as well.There's no way you think anahem sword is more destructive than anos's source when dude can't even scratch the thing he is destroying with chill.
Not really. Where do you see anos doing anything like that? The death Sabre literally touched his source but due it being merged with nothingess, Death Sabre was unable to destroy his source.
Point is if his source wasn't nothingness, then it would have been destroyed (and the world would be too lol) just by a single scratch and Graham's would have survived.
Anos and afraid don't fit in the same sentence. This is the same guy who tanked a multiversal spell at his source just to flex on his opponent.
I assumed he already knew about that statement as it's already in the profile. So showing a direct feat would be better.
Roncruz's paragraph breaks the context too much.
you seem to need to review. Anos clearly said that he used Graham source inside his source to act as a shield to block the sword. You used the shield to block your attack, so that proves that you and the shield are 2 separate/independent things, or are you trying to say that you are the shield?
No one denied that, and there is no rule stating that it cannot also contain nothingness after merging with Graham or other non existent beings.
This has nothing to do with NEP.
I can interpret it as either Graham's NEP or just foreshadowing Anos source partially being NEP because of his nature of LOD and possessing both destruction and NEP. However, it still doesn't change the fact that Graham has currently merged with Anos' source.
can you show me it?
This is to say that source Anos is the space that contains source Graham.
source Graham is pulled out as a shield, so it can block. You use a shield to block a sword, so it can block the attack from the sword, that's obvious. This not only does not prove that the Graham source merged with the Anos source, but also proves the opposite, that the Graham source is only trapped and isolated within the Anos source.
An example of this is a cage with a dog inside. When you open the cage and use the dog to protect the cage from a thief, the dog will act as a shield to protect its cage. But the dog and the cage are not the same thing.
Iirc There was even Author statement in one of the chapter comments he answered the fans.
Headcanon
Never stated as pulled out. Another headcanon from your end. He contextually meant Graham's source acts as a defence against others attacks nothing states he pulled out Graham source there.
