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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread
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I don't know if it is specified how many years old it is, including previous incarnations... It may be possible that he is millions of years old as old as the world of militia or only 2000+.
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Anos could be less than 2000 years old. Who knows?
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Why do Sasha and Misha's profiles have Aisha key?
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Conceptual EE still needs a type for the concept its destroying, yknow. In which case, its type 3.
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Oooh, so Root is treated as Concept Type 3? Okay-okay. Thanks for the answer.
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Just Saw on the other thread that concept who gave born to another concept that govern the reality or participating to the reality is given Type 2 concept / Platonic concept (False)
Nousgalia was the order that creates order, and it's already stated several time, also if he dies, even for temporary, so do world
Wdyt?
Nousgalia was the order that creates order, and it's already stated several time, also if he dies, even for temporary, so do world
Wdyt?
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Err, naousgalia case is not about the silver sea concept
It's very Different thing
Naousgalia is the lord god of militia world
If this ranted at type 2 , then silver sea would make it above baseline
It's very Different thing
Naousgalia is the lord god of militia world
If this ranted at type 2 , then silver sea would make it above baseline
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Our problem in the previous crt is because the concept of higher/deeper layer on silver sea didn't affecting the shallow/lower one (you don't need to affecting the entire silver sea too)
And this case is about how nousgalia being Superior concept than her/his child who govern the reality
And this case is about how nousgalia being Superior concept than her/his child who govern the reality
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But I still think it is type 2, because it is able to alter the concepts of a layer, but they will say no, because it does not affect the concepts of all layers, and for me the reason is because the affected concept of the shallow layer may be the same as in the deeper layer, but since all the concepts of the deeper layers are practically infinitely superior to the shallow layers affect a concept of a Shallow layer, will not affect that of a deeper layer, because of the big difference between the power of the concepts.
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That's why i need yall perspective bout this
But i've saw on another thread and i think nousgalia feats is better
Also incase if you wondering how potent is naousgalia He can reproduce the order again
So nousgalia dies = world dies
World dies = nousgalia reborn it again
But i've saw on another thread and i think nousgalia feats is better
Also incase if you wondering how potent is naousgalia He can reproduce the order again
So nousgalia dies = world dies
World dies = nousgalia reborn it again
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Good thing that we can bring cm3 to cm2 revision again by nousgalia feats, then multiplied it above baseline with how silver sea works
And yeah, this nousgalia feats don't need to be affecting the whole layer, or world shallow than this
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Yes just wait zeronull opinion and oblivion and then discuss it later, the context is already pretty strong I think
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If whatever concept this Nousgalia embody is not influence by change in the the world or it end unlike type 3, govern the entire world through out all of it space and time and would take what ever concept or worlds that are connected to it down if it were destroyed than sure it might be type 2, the concept don't need to govern the entirety of this silver sea or an entire layer to be type 2, just need to meet the criteria for one which is what i listed above than it would be fine it, would be weak but still type 2 nonetheless.
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Yes, pretty sure same with what i thought
In this case we don't need to affecting multiple layer or etc, because it's different case with the previous crt
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Exactly, Anos and Nousgalia's conceptual manipulation meets the required standards for type 2, it already affects a whole reality, if Anos gets CM2 it would have Type 2 and Type 3 at the same time... 99+ CM3 potency and normal CM2
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I think it would be 99+ CM2 Because militia world is still considered as shallow world on the silver sea
And silver sea concept is infinitely greater than militia worlds
That's why i said that, if it's ranted at type 2,then the potency can be much higher with how silver sea works
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If we only base it on the nousgalia feat for CM2 it would only be a normal CM2 since it would only affect 1 layer of the silver sea, but if we base it on the fact that Anos is able to affect the general concepts of all the layers of the silver sea then it would be 99+ CM2.
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Well every world on every layer has it's own lord gods, and it's has the same work with nousgalia also.....
Generally the order of the deeper layer should be stronger than lord gods order on shallow layer
Then yeah, this is the thing we must do if it's get accepted
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You are right, well just wait for a CRT and more opinions...
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If he only show it on a certain level then just leave it at that, better to have a baseline than to stretch it than deal with downgrade attempts over and over. And if this novel is still on going than we can wait for more feat and showing of affecting the silver sea in it entirety instead of jumping the gun and say the mc affect concept type 2 in the entirety of the silver sea.
I would also add that depending on how you word it people might think that you are arguing that he can destroy a single type 2 concept that rule over all of the silver sea, which is pretty broken considering this thing seem to have 99+ layer. Instead of type 2 concept of each of the layer like what being propose here, which is still broken but need stronger evidence than just "since he can affect the type 3 on all of it so he can do so with type 2".
I would also add that depending on how you word it people might think that you are arguing that he can destroy a single type 2 concept that rule over all of the silver sea, which is pretty broken considering this thing seem to have 99+ layer. Instead of type 2 concept of each of the layer like what being propose here, which is still broken but need stronger evidence than just "since he can affect the type 3 on all of it so he can do so with type 2".
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One possibility would be that CM3, which currently manages anos, is recognized as CM2, and then there would be no problem, since it is CM2.. but not accepted.
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Yes you are right
We don't need to hurry
But fast or not, we still need to discuss how potent the cm 2 are if it's getting accepted
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Well we can wait other member opinion for how potent it is
But i think "above baseline cm2" is still work and ok
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Exactly, but the first thing we must do is that it is accepted as CM2, it only remains to discuss it and reach a conclusion with more feats, scans and evidence.
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I misunderstood... I'm sorry, I meant CM3 which currently has Anos
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Yes ,although it's clearly that deeper layer being superior concept than nousgalia is the feats
But yeah, we need to make it cm2 first
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Some statements I found about Nousgalia and his order:
Order = laws and concepts.
It's once again stated that gods only maintain order, meaning a God's death =/= destruction of their order, but a God's death = order not being maintained, which would disturb the order (remove the order from the natural cycle of the world).
It also seems like all Gods embody their order, and not just Guardian Gods.
It's also stated that all Gods are immortal and capable of regenerating their sources.
My understanding of Nousgalia's order is that it creates new gods and order while also maintaining all other order in the world. If he's killed, he would be unable to maintain his order, resulting in all other order in the world being disturbed and destroyed, as well as the world itself also being destroyed.
This also means that if his order is destroyed, all other order in the world would be destroyed.
In a way, you could say that all other order in the world is dependant on Nousgalia's order, while Nousgalia's order is independent of all other order in the world.
I'm still unsure if this actually qualifies for concept manip type 2 tho.
If it does qualify for cm2, only Anos and Venuzdonoa would gain cm2, since they are capable of destroying order. Anos' cm2 would still be 100 * uncountable above baseline, since 'Nousgalia's order' (the Order of Order) must also exist in every other world on all layers.
Order = laws and concepts.
It's once again stated that gods only maintain order, meaning a God's death =/= destruction of their order, but a God's death = order not being maintained, which would disturb the order (remove the order from the natural cycle of the world).
It also seems like all Gods embody their order, and not just Guardian Gods.
It's also stated that all Gods are immortal and capable of regenerating their sources.
My understanding of Nousgalia's order is that it creates new gods and order while also maintaining all other order in the world. If he's killed, he would be unable to maintain his order, resulting in all other order in the world being disturbed and destroyed, as well as the world itself also being destroyed.
This also means that if his order is destroyed, all other order in the world would be destroyed.
In a way, you could say that all other order in the world is dependant on Nousgalia's order, while Nousgalia's order is independent of all other order in the world.
I'm still unsure if this actually qualifies for concept manip type 2 tho.
If it does qualify for cm2, only Anos and Venuzdonoa would gain cm2, since they are capable of destroying order. Anos' cm2 would still be 100 * uncountable above baseline, since 'Nousgalia's order' (the Order of Order) must also exist in every other world on all layers.
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What thread was it that got Type 2 from this, because being a Concept that created the Concepts that govern Reality has been rejected as Type 2 for several verses in the past?
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Idk? I was asked to help out with this, so I did.
Also, in this specific case, the concept doesn't just create concepts that govern reality, but also maintains their existence in said reality.
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Well you can read the other supporting stuff and not focusing on the "concept creating concept"
Anyway I got idea from this Thread and want to test it myself
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